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| 00:18.14 | joe_bleau | http://www.life.com/image/3302088/in-gallery/25371/30-dumb-inventions |
| 00:18.27 | joe_bleau | Wasn't that the lead-in to the throat mics used in WWII aircraft? |
| 00:23.25 | prpplague | joe_bleau indeed a good question |
| 00:28.53 | Mirell | Hmm... |
| 00:29.04 | Mirell | needs to sit down and install Trac with Mercurial plug-in thingies |
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| 00:41.11 | evocallaghan | Hi |
| 00:41.30 | Mirell | 'lo evocallaghan |
| 00:41.46 | evocallaghan | Good day |
| 00:42.13 | evocallaghan | Other rooms seem to be dead :< I was wondering, Does SPARC have a intrinsic to reverse all the bytes in a 32-bit integer ? |
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| 00:54.05 | solar | evening #edev |
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| 01:40.39 | pippo8 | is this the right place to discuss the peek device? |
| 01:41.34 | pippo8 | noone around? |
| 01:44.28 | prpplague | pippo8 you can |
| 01:44.38 | prpplague | pippo8 there is a #peek, but it is kind of slow |
| 01:44.52 | prpplague | solar hey bud |
| 01:44.59 | prpplague | solar what's cookin? |
| 01:45.25 | joe_bleau | No progress on Peek for me...been busy with a secret project. |
| 01:46.03 | pippo8 | joe: hope you are having fun! |
| 01:46.21 | joe_bleau | Can't say, it's secret. |
| 01:46.45 | pippo8 | joe: even the fun is secret? ;) |
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| 01:47.31 | Mirell | That NDA must be nasty, joe_bleau |
| 01:54.21 | joe_bleau | Don't know, but I'm scared of lawyers. |
| 01:55.19 | joe_bleau | Leaking duracells in my HP calc. |
| 02:13.00 | prpplague | pippo8 we have a working stmpe driver for the keyboard |
| 02:46.10 | pippo8 | prpplague I saw it on the elinux peek site. Do we have a working u-boot or apex/ |
| 02:46.41 | prpplague | cmw has a partial working uboot |
| 02:47.02 | joe_bleau | Has anyone had a working jtag connection yet? |
| 02:48.16 | prpplague | joe_bleau partially, there are some ice-crusher issues |
| 02:48.38 | joe_bleau | Electrical, or software? |
| 02:52.20 | prpplague | software |
| 02:52.59 | pippo8 | bye everyone |
| 04:03.55 | solar | sorry prpplague back. Ahh not much. watching some MMA |
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| 04:21.34 | Mirell | stares at the ceiling fan he just bought |
| 04:21.48 | Mirell | Really hope I don't kill myself trying to put this together and install it |
| 04:22.09 | ds2 | pictures a sword fight scene where Mirell swings from it |
| 04:23.17 | Mirell | Hopefully not |
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| 07:09.15 | Mirell | ...yay |
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| 07:13.50 | Mirell | I got Redmine installed |
| 07:13.52 | Mirell | And working |
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| 07:27.52 | mne | Hi. I'm communicating with a DSP board over UART. Unfortunately on the host side I do not seem to be able to flush the uart buffers (e.g. using tcflush(fd, TCIOFLUSH)) or determine if there is data to be read from the serial port (e.g. using select() or ioctl(fd, FIONREAD, &bytes)). For this reason if the DSP previously wrote data to the serial port (before I start my serial port application on the host side) the first time I to a read() in my application I wil |
| 07:27.52 | mne | l always get pending (old) data instead of the real response to a request. Any ideas why it is not working ? |
| 07:43.49 | roxfan | "...in my application I wil"? |
| 07:44.01 | roxfan | (don't sent long lines in irc, they get cut) |
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| 07:45.34 | roxfan | don't know much about uarts but i would check flow settings on both sides |
| 07:48.04 | mne | ... I will always get pending (old) data instead of the real response to a request. Any ideas why it is not working ? |
| 07:48.19 | mne | My IRC client (xchat) actually splits these long lines into multiple lines |
| 07:48.39 | mne | On both sides RAW mode with no flow control is used |
| 07:50.03 | mne | What I really do not understand if that neither select nor the ioctl work. I mean of there is data in the uart buffer, I should also be able to see it, right ? |
| 07:51.06 | roxfan | try select() instead |
| 07:51.22 | mne | ... neither select nor the ioctl work |
| 07:51.26 | roxfan | oh |
| 07:52.29 | mne | physically only the TX and RX line is connected. |
| 07:54.24 | roxfan | and gnd? |
| 07:54.45 | mne | sure, gnd is connected as well. |
| 07:54.55 | roxfan | just checking |
| 08:02.34 | mne | I will try to use a workaround solution: Right after starting the serial port application I will open the serial port in non-blocking mode and read() as long as there's data available. |
| 08:05.42 | roxfan | if it's stupid but works, it's not stupid |
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| 08:38.29 | Mirell | I'd point out that doing init scripts in PHP is both possible and I've seen it done, and it does actually work. |
| 08:38.41 | Mirell | roxfan: But it's still stupid, and works. |
| 08:45.45 | mne | I just discovered that my uart problem is related to the DSP board. At the moment it seems that I have to send some data to the DSP board first before it sends its pending data to the host. For this reason I will try to send some dummy data and then discard all response bytes |
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| 09:50.31 | biberao | hello |
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| 12:10.10 | Mirell | Okay, trying to read e-mail that's a bug report from a seriously non-native speaker is way too hard with lack of sleep |
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| 12:49.34 | chouimat|away | morning |
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| 14:06.21 | Mirell | mornin' chouimat |
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| 18:05.04 | chouimat | wow quiet once again |
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| 18:37.52 | Mirell | FIGHT THE POWER |
| 18:40.20 | Mirell | And yes, quite quiet. |
| 18:50.34 | Madsy | Mirell: Been listening to Rage against the machines again? |
| 18:51.33 | roxfan | or gurren lagann ost |
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| 18:57.07 | Mirell | Madsy: I just think of House dancing with tht outrageously ancient boombox |
| 18:59.37 | roxfan | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxX3JkGHmDI&fmt=18 |
| 18:59.39 | Madsy | :-) |
| 19:10.15 | chouimat | just remotely debugged a device in the field ... and the guy at the other end had problem finding the serial port pins ... |
| 19:11.14 | chouimat | and I will say nothing about ... wtf is ssh |
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| 19:14.06 | Mirell | I had to explain to a developer what scp was once |
| 19:15.54 | chouimat | Mirell: my mind is hurting just thinking about this |
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| 19:21.47 | calculus | I read a post yesterday about an analogy of DNS and static/dynamic IPs to a hotel and room numbers |
| 19:22.48 | chouimat | I always thought it was like a phonebook |
| 19:25.18 | calculus | in this case, the concierge acted as the phonebook and you asked them that you would like to speak to elinux.org and they would arrange it |
| 19:26.59 | chouimat | I see |
| 19:27.13 | _dieter_ | I expect that you don't talk about secure copy? What scp stands for? |
| 20:00.07 | prpplague | Crofton|work: ping |
| 20:07.42 | Mirell | _dieter_: Yes, the developer didn't know what secure copy was. |
| 20:08.31 | _dieter_ | Mirell: Hm, what kind of developer was it? ;) |
| 20:10.54 | Mirell | _dieter_: C++ developer on an embedded project I was on |
| 20:12.32 | _dieter_ | Mirell: sounds unbelievable... I've thought scp is latest hype of the bofh admin! |
| 20:12.50 | _dieter_ | Mirell: as I followed your discussion. |
| 20:14.36 | Mirell | _dieter_: Yah, he was...strange. He also didn't know that e-mail read receipts can be disabled. |
| 20:14.44 | Mirell | _dieter_: And just a few other...bizarre things. |
| 20:15.00 | Mirell | _dieter_: Mainly strange since he seemed to know his Boost/C++ |
| 20:16.00 | _dieter_ | Mirell: sounds really intersting - but I doubt he's helping you a lot on doing embedded dev? |
| 20:16.26 | MonMotha | you mean there are people who DON'T disable email read receipts? |
| 20:16.58 | chouimat | hehe |
| 20:17.01 | _dieter_ | Boost/C++ is the real evil ;) |
| 20:17.26 | MonMotha | I really wish C++ could be trimmed down substantially |
| 20:17.27 | chouimat | _dieter_: still depend on the problem ... it can be the only solution |
| 20:17.40 | MonMotha | there are quite a few aspects of it that I do find useful, even in an embedded situation |
| 20:17.58 | _dieter_ | yeah - you're absolutely right. But I fear for me it wouldn't be really helpful... |
| 20:18.08 | MonMotha | but there's so much extra junk laying around that it's just too big. I think the smallest a friend could get iostream based "Hello, World" was 80k |
| 20:18.19 | MonMotha | well, that and people abuse the heck out of many aspects of the language |
| 20:18.20 | Mirell | _dieter_: Heh, nope, it was just a contract project I was on with him |
| 20:18.27 | MonMotha | but that just requires a LART |
| 20:18.50 | chouimat | MonMotha: I'm sure if he used another implementation of iostream the program would have been smaller |
| 20:18.53 | Mirell | MonMotha: What do you find useful in embedded stuff with C++? |
| 20:19.10 | MonMotha | chouimat: perhaps, but we kinda gave up trying. The initial attempt wouldn't fit on the 256k micro :) |
| 20:19.13 | Mirell | MonMotha: I've failed to see what an over-engineered C++ proprietary app does that couldn't be done in Lua or C saner. |
| 20:19.37 | MonMotha | Mirell: the tight integration with C combined with certain language features such as simple templates |
| 20:20.01 | Mirell | MonMotha: Half of that, same with Lua |
| 20:20.03 | chouimat | Mirell: I like to use classes as ADT in some case |
| 20:20.10 | MonMotha | Mirell: I have also considered Lua |
| 20:20.21 | biberao | byebye |
| 20:20.31 | MonMotha | the issue is that I don't know of a small enough Lua environment. Are there any in the ~10-25k range? |
| 20:20.45 | Mirell | *blink* |
| 20:21.07 | MonMotha | I'm trying to program 128-256k micros, here :) |
| 20:21.08 | Mirell | Lua interpreter + libaries dynamically linked on a PPC440 without much optimization was 500ish K |
| 20:21.19 | Mirell | Dynamically compiled Hello World in C++ was like 800ish K |
| 20:21.27 | Mirell | Dynamically linked, rather |
| 20:21.54 | _dieter_ | So it looks like MonMotha has to do some optimization to fit it in his uc |
| 20:21.57 | roxfan | http://elua.berlios.de/ |
| 20:22.05 | MonMotha | yeah, we started around the same place with C++ (~1MB object for a statically linked downloadable binary), but we managed to end up at ~80k |
| 20:22.38 | _dieter_ | wow - only 80k? |
| 20:22.52 | MonMotha | _dieter_: well, this isn't a specific target. I've just noticed some deficiencies in C when working on small stuff |
| 20:23.14 | chouimat | Mirell: hello world in 800k???? |
| 20:23.19 | MonMotha | thing is, I still have applications where the entire firmware blob is <4k, and I don't think I'm going to fit anything other than C stuff on there |
| 20:23.21 | _dieter_ | MonMotha: ah - I see. |
| 20:23.49 | Mirell | chouimat: As a C++ binary, ayup |
| 20:24.09 | MonMotha | I have some library stuff for various archs (mostly drivers for AVR, but also some things like a FIFO queue, a playstation interface library, etc.) that I'd like to tidy up a bit |
| 20:24.13 | chouimat | Mirell: t.cpp ---> powerpc 64bit == 8.8k here |
| 20:24.57 | chouimat | 2.0M if it's static |
| 20:25.22 | MonMotha | my UART driver for AVR is kinda ugly. It uses a software FIFO so that the UART can be interrupt driven and asynchronous to the rest of the firmware, but my FIFO queue, being written in C, can only handle a single type without being copied/pasted, and that type is a byte, so I lose 9-bit capabilities and the driver just ignores error flags |
| 20:25.24 | Mirell | chouimat: That's what it was doing PPC440...it was odd. |
| 20:25.43 | roxfan | arm's mbed project uses c++ btw |
| 20:25.52 | chouimat | Mirell: sound like a toolchain problem |
| 20:26.02 | MonMotha | I remember we had a statically linked Hello, WOrld using iostream down to 80k for ARM |
| 20:26.04 | MonMotha | and it worked |
| 20:26.29 | MonMotha | but that's 80k for hello world, and we only had a 256k micro (that ended up being like 200k used when everything was done in C) |
| 20:26.35 | chouimat | cool should receive this tomorrow http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/1594743347/ref=ox_ya_oh_product |
| 20:26.40 | MonMotha | hum, I'll BBL |
| 20:26.42 | roxfan | standard helloworld (whole firmware with c++ support routines) is 34k |
| 20:27.03 | roxfan | chouimat: you still reading paper? :p |
| 20:27.17 | chouimat | roxfan: yup ... less hard on my old eyes ;) |
| 20:27.54 | roxfan | an e-ink reader is only slightly less constrasty but much more convenient |
| 20:27.57 | chouimat | roxfan: and since all my books takes 2 walls in my office, it impresses the ladies :) |
| 20:28.21 | Mirell | chouimat: Hey baby, let me show you my thesarus, rawr. |
| 20:28.28 | _dieter_ | I think you know http://www.caravan.net/ec2plus/ ? |
| 20:28.28 | chouimat | Mirell: lol |
| 20:28.45 | roxfan | no need to hold the book open, no need to remember to place bookmark, can increase the font any time you need, search (with some readers) etc... |
| 20:29.01 | roxfan | weeks of battery life |
| 20:29.18 | _dieter_ | roxfan: yes but an eInk reader isn't much impressiv ;) |
| 20:29.44 | roxfan | well, if your goal is to impress people instead of reading the books... |
| 20:29.58 | _dieter_ | sometimes? |
| 20:30.12 | chouimat | roxfan: I know all of that but I still prefers the paper version ... I will the electronic version for searching and read when I work ... but I won't take it when I want to read on the bus/plane or in the bathtub ;) |
| 20:30.55 | roxfan | i've read my sony reader in bathtub all the time (when i had a bath in the apt) |
| 20:31.15 | roxfan | also with a ziplock bag you can even do it in the shower |
| 20:31.18 | chouimat | hmmm 16:29 ... nearly time to go to the pub |
| 20:31.20 | roxfan | try it with a pbook :) |
| 20:31.26 | chouimat | hehe |
| 20:32.17 | roxfan | and why woudln't you read one in a bus or plane? |
| 20:32.21 | _dieter_ | chouimat: cheers |
| 20:32.40 | roxfan | it's smaller than most hardcovers |
| 20:32.47 | roxfan | and much lighter |
| 20:35.16 | Mirell | chouimat is afraid of getting mugged. |
| 20:35.25 | chouimat | hehe |
| 20:35.33 | Mirell | Even with his eight 24" monitors with his two Mac Pros maxed out |
| 20:36.18 | chouimat | Mirell: that would be nice |
| 20:36.22 | roxfan | anyway, i seriously recommend at least trying one in a shop |
| 20:37.05 | chouimat | roxfan: I would like but I can't even get a kindle here so ... something regarding the law |
| 20:37.16 | roxfan | "here"? |
| 20:37.17 | _dieter_ | I fully agree with roxfan - it's worth a try! |
| 20:37.21 | chouimat | canada |
| 20:37.30 | roxfan | sony readers are available |
| 20:37.37 | roxfan | they're better anyway :) |
| 20:38.09 | roxfan | check if you have a sonystyle shop nearby |
| 20:38.43 | chouimat | roxfan: I just need to cross the street :) |
| 20:38.52 | roxfan | well, there you go |
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| 21:07.04 | calculus | speaking of ebook readers, prpplague: how is the coolreader? |
| 21:07.31 | prpplague | calculus: i never got around to ordering one, been so busy getting my business going |
| 21:07.49 | roxfan | reports on mobileread are not very favorable |
| 21:07.55 | calculus | ahh |
| 21:09.48 | prpplague | anyone have experience with sony's GVIF ? |
| 21:10.08 | roxfan | a couple of threads: http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56948 http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57321 |
| 21:11.47 | kergoth | is fairly happy with his sony reader, but is waiting for the Plastic Logic reader next year to replace it |
| 21:11.59 | kergoth | doesn't think its very hackable, though |
| 21:12.29 | roxfan | which one? sony 505 is pretty much hackable |
| 21:13.59 | kergoth | is it? hmm, i know people modify the firmware a fair bit. didn't realize there was much beyond that |
| 21:14.14 | roxfan | well, depends on your definition i guess |
| 21:14.32 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:14.34 | roxfan | it runs normal linux, so you can do pretty much anyting |
| 21:14.43 | kergoth | ah, right |
| 21:14.47 | kergoth | okay, i stand corrected :) |
| 21:15.08 | roxfan | actually almost all e-ink readers available now run linux |
| 21:15.25 | roxfan | i think only some korean models use wince... |
| 21:15.34 | ds2 | roxfan: do you know if they all expose the eink screen as a FB? |
| 21:15.53 | roxfan | not sure about "all" but i think most are |
| 21:16.21 | kergoth | thinks his gf will be picking up a cooler. cheap + epub = good thing |
| 21:17.20 | roxfan | cheap? prs300 is cheap, cool-er is not really |
| 21:17.47 | roxfan | and it seems it's out of stock anyway |
| 21:18.01 | kergoth | huh, that's no good |
| 21:18.16 | kergoth | is kind of afraid to find outw hat the plastic logic reader is going to cost |
| 21:18.40 | roxfan | prs300 supports epub just fine btw (and a couple of other formats) |
| 21:19.49 | kergoth | not too surprising, i'm sure it uses a modified version of the prs500/505 software |
| 21:20.22 | kergoth | now if only more publishers sold epub format, and would make the prices reasonable.. |
| 21:20.25 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:21.19 | roxfan | most of the stuff that's coming out in E is available in epub |
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| 21:21.47 | roxfan | www.inkmesh.com <- nice search engine |
| 21:31.53 | MonMotha | has returned |
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| 22:13.28 | Mirell | Excellent. |
| 22:22.27 | ds2 | Mirell: is your fan working? |
| 22:24.55 | Mirell | ds2: It is still sitting on the floor |
| 22:25.09 | Mirell | ds2: Realized I need to shut-off the breaker in my computer room to install it |
| 22:25.51 | ds2 | Oh so uptime trumps fan? |
| 22:26.17 | Mirell | For the past few hours, ayup |
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| 22:58.39 | prpplague | chouimat ping |
| 22:59.37 | prpplague | chouimat the egg arrived this morning http://imagebin.ca/view/Ega5vQd.html |
| 23:01.24 | ds2 | Hmmmmm Halloween... eggs... Hmmmm }:-) |
| 23:02.17 | prpplague | i am tempted to do it hardboiled, but i think we are just going to do scrambled |
| 23:02.30 | ds2 | what about sunny side up? |
| 23:02.41 | ds2 | served up on a large peice of slate |
| 23:02.44 | prpplague | man that would be hard to flip |
| 23:02.59 | ds2 | and have everyone dressed in a loin cloth |
| 23:03.03 | ds2 | :D |
| 23:03.25 | prpplague | i have some giant bacon too |
| 23:26.08 | prpplague | lordy lordy |
| 23:26.18 | prpplague | i'm dead ass tired today |
| 23:26.30 | prpplague | had really bad insomnia last night |
| 23:29.46 | evocallaghan | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2009/10/arm-takes-aim-at-intel-sends-cortex-a9-to-globalfoundries.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss |
| 23:29.56 | evocallaghan | enjoy ! |
| 23:34.12 | roxfan | funny how they talk about amd exiting arm business but forgot to mention intel's ixp range |
| 23:34.46 | evocallaghan | 28nm ARM quad core, that's going to be killer ! |
| 23:35.13 | evocallaghan | I hear they run at about 3GHz's |