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| 00:48.38 | Mirell | La de da.. |
| 00:52.05 | solar | that just made Cab Calloway's 'Hidy hidy ho' song just pop in my mind |
| 00:53.21 | solar | oh guees that is called Minnie The Moocher |
| 00:54.31 | Mirell | Strange. Amazon recruiter contacted me wanting to set up a phone interview. About a job I'm horrendously under-qualified for. |
| 00:56.46 | MonMotha | I have found that job postings often drastically overstate the qualifications that the people looking to hire actually require. |
| 00:57.06 | MonMotha | seems to be a "ask for the world; take the best that shows up" type thing |
| 00:57.18 | Mirell | Heh |
| 00:57.21 | solar | for sure |
| 00:57.47 | MonMotha | probably also cuts down on the number of truly unqualified applicants |
| 01:02.53 | MonMotha | I think there also may be a disconnect between hiring managers and HR |
| 01:03.09 | MonMotha | hiring manager says "we need to fill a senior position with somebody very experienced with Java" |
| 01:03.24 | MonMotha | HR says "senior" means "20 year industry vet" and "very experienced" means "10 years" |
| 01:03.41 | MonMotha | of course, 20 year industry vets with 10 years of Java experience are very, very rare (moslty due to the age of Java) |
| 01:04.19 | Mirell | Heh. Need 10 years of Ruby on Rails experience. |
| 01:04.25 | Mirell | Good ol' times |
| 01:04.57 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 01:05.15 | MonMotha | I saw a job posting asking for 15 years experience with Windows XP. I'll get right on finding someone who can meet that one... |
| 01:05.51 | Mirell | But yah, this is looking for someone with 10 years industry experience, which I do not have. And prefers PhDs. But otherwise, seems sane. |
| 01:06.34 | MonMotha | depending on what they hear about you, I've found people are often willing to budge on both experience (years) and education requirements as long as they feel you can still fill the role |
| 01:06.47 | MonMotha | the key in that case seems to be having them hear about you from somebody other than you |
| 01:08.05 | Mirell | Heh |
| 01:08.44 | MonMotha | there's also sometimes another similar, but distict, position that you can be placed in |
| 01:09.01 | MonMotha | or perhaps the original role had management, but they can move the management to another person and just hire you for the technical role |
| 01:09.10 | MonMotha | (presumably for less money than the technical manager) |
| 01:12.13 | Mirell | Yah. We shall see. Interviewing always good practice. |
| 02:14.52 | ds2 | 20 year java experts? |
| 02:15.02 | ds2 | is 19 of them at starbucks acceptable? ;) |
| 02:40.07 | Mirell | Heh |
| 02:40.24 | Mirell | I had to look to see when Starbucks was founded to see if that was possible as well |
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| 03:14.20 | monkey | so... i just got an arm dev board for school. what do I need to install to use the debugger and compile for it under linux? it's an arm7tdmi-s board and an ocd-debugger? |
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| 03:35.09 | monkey | is the arm-gp2x libraries specific to the gp2x gaming console? |
| 03:35.13 | monkey | there are packages in fedora |
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| 04:27.18 | monkey | Hello? |
| 04:29.15 | Mirell | 'lo monkey |
| 04:29.42 | Mirell | So what exactly do you need to know for your ARM board? |
| 04:30.50 | monkey | how to dev for it in linux. :) |
| 04:31.04 | monkey | for gcc do I need to install a different version? i'm running fedora 11 |
| 04:31.21 | monkey | i installed some arm-gp2x things from yum, but I think that's the wrong thing |
| 04:31.24 | Mirell | Yah, no. |
| 04:31.30 | Mirell | What particular ARM variant is it? |
| 04:31.35 | monkey | arm7tdmis |
| 04:31.46 | monkey | an olimex dev board, and usb-openocd debugger |
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| 04:32.31 | Mirell | So that's an ARMv4. |
| 04:32.57 | monkey | yes |
| 04:32.58 | Mirell | Did you get a root filesystem for it, or just a bare board? |
| 04:33.23 | monkey | how would I know? |
| 04:33.54 | Mirell | Typically through class instructions? Powering it on, serial port, whatnot. |
| 04:35.08 | Mirell | Basically you need a root filesystem and a cross-compiler for it, somehow to get console output, typically this is a serial output, or a UART adapter to RS-232 with pins on the board. |
| 04:35.21 | monkey | both the board and debugger have usb/ |
| 04:35.27 | monkey | the debugger is via jtag |
| 04:36.22 | Mirell | So when you plug the board in via USB to a machine, does it appear as a Serial USB adapater |
| 04:37.19 | monkey | ftdi usb serial device according to dmesg |
| 04:38.04 | Mirell | So do "screen /dev/whateverdevitappearsas 115200" |
| 04:38.13 | Mirell | Probably /dev/tty.usbserial or something |
| 04:38.19 | monkey | http://pastebin.ca/1606149 |
| 04:38.40 | Mirell | Yep |
| 04:38.57 | monkey | usbtty0? |
| 04:38.59 | Mirell | That's the board itself? |
| 04:39.35 | Mirell | monkey: Worth a try. |
| 04:39.55 | monkey | the board is connected to the debugger, they are both plugged in. that's what you see there |
| 04:40.11 | monkey | i did that and it's just blank |
| 04:40.14 | monkey | the screen command |
| 04:40.24 | monkey | it terminated |
| 04:40.57 | Mirell | Did you receive any instructions on how to use the board from class? |
| 04:41.21 | monkey | yeah, but it's all in for windows |
| 04:41.23 | monkey | which i don't use at all |
| 04:41.29 | ds2 | Mirell: did your starbucks research confirmed? :D |
| 04:41.37 | Mirell | ds2: Opened since 1971, actually. |
| 04:41.51 | ds2 | monkey: look up crosstool from Dan Kegel (possible sp error) |
| 04:42.06 | Mirell | ds2: Not crosstool. That's ancient. crosstool-ng if one must. |
| 04:42.16 | ds2 | Mirell: is that still from Dan K? |
| 04:42.20 | Mirell | ds2: Yann Moris. |
| 04:42.40 | ds2 | oh he passed on that baton or is that just a fork that supplanted things? |
| 04:42.52 | Mirell | Dan Kegel basically stopped caring. |
| 04:42.59 | ds2 | aye |
| 04:43.08 | Mirell | So Yann Moris resurrected it, and kept maintaining it, but renamed it to crosstool-ng |
| 04:43.32 | ds2 | I must look at that |
| 04:45.45 | monkey | Mirell: they are using yagarto for windows for dev |
| 04:47.17 | Mirell | monkey: Look at crosstool-ng |
| 04:47.29 | Mirell | http://ymorin.is-a-geek.org/projects/crosstool |
| 04:48.23 | monkey | ok |
| 04:51.12 | monkey | i appreciate the help |
| 04:54.01 | monkey | lol... this is fun |
| 04:59.42 | monkey | Mirell: are there any options i should pick in the menuconfig? |
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| 05:00.18 | ds2 | arrrggggggg |
| 05:00.20 | ds2 | hg |
| 05:00.29 | monkey | hg? |
| 05:00.39 | ds2 | mercurial |
| 05:00.48 | ds2 | Yet-Another-Version-Control system |
| 05:01.33 | monkey | oh yeah |
| 05:01.44 | monkey | that was on the crosstools site |
| 05:01.53 | ds2 | yep |
| 05:09.28 | monkey | [ERROR] Missing: 'i586-redhat-linux-g++ |
| 05:11.21 | Mirell | ...Fedora doesn't include gcc/g++? |
| 05:11.26 | monkey | it's installed |
| 05:11.26 | Mirell | By default I mean? |
| 05:11.31 | monkey | no, not by default |
| 05:12.12 | monkey | hmm, odd, now it gives me a different error |
| 05:13.06 | monkey | [ERROR] Error happened in '/usr/arm/lib/ct-ng-1.5.0/scripts/functions' in function 'CT_DoExecLog' (line unknown, sorry) |
| 06:00.08 | MonMotha | ds2: has anybody made YAVCS yet? |
| 06:00.23 | MonMotha | if not, I think we have a name for the next version control system to be made... |
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| 06:02.06 | ds2 | not that I know of :D |
| 06:02.57 | Mirell | Please don't. |
| 06:03.55 | MonMotha | I'm still using svn. I don't think I need to make my own VCS. |
| 06:04.04 | MonMotha | I did at least migrate from CVS |
| 06:04.16 | ds2 | nothing but git |
| 06:04.40 | MonMotha | I've been meaning to learn git |
| 06:05.07 | Mirell | Its user interface is horrible. |
| 06:05.11 | Mirell | is a Mercurial man |
| 06:05.17 | ds2 | hehe |
| 06:05.33 | ds2 | I want something that works well for schematics and board layouts |
| 06:05.44 | MonMotha | My CAD software integrates with svn for that |
| 06:05.46 | ds2 | and maybe even component libraries (*gasp*) |
| 06:05.52 | ds2 | Altrium? |
| 06:06.03 | MonMotha | its library integration is so-so, but the per-design/per-project is pretty good |
| 06:06.07 | Mirell | I want to see a VCS that can handle SQL databases. |
| 06:06.11 | MonMotha | Altium Designer, yes |
| 06:06.15 | MonMotha | Mirell: yes, thank you |
| 06:06.20 | MonMotha | web apps are a pain in the butt |
| 06:06.39 | Mirell | I had to do some freaky stuff to integrate a blog with static content, since the latter lives in a VCS. |
| 06:06.54 | MonMotha | ds2: Designer has svn integration built into the GUI. It'll even let you do a graphical diff directly from svn. |
| 06:07.11 | ds2 | will it let me diff schematics? |
| 06:07.23 | MonMotha | it's very linear (no branching/merging supported from the gui), but it works well enough for that. It's fine if you have the typical "one guy doing CAD stuff". |
| 06:07.23 | MonMotha | ds2: yes |
| 06:07.36 | Mirell | Hmm... |
| 06:07.40 | MonMotha | you can manually branch if you want, and it'll deal with it |
| 06:07.42 | Mirell | is not pleased with Dreamhost currently |
| 06:07.54 | Mirell | My mailing list archives just...disappeared. |
| 06:07.57 | ds2 | so I can use branches for stuffing options on a project? |
| 06:08.00 | MonMotha | they may have also improved it. I last used Designer "Summer '08" |
| 06:08.11 | MonMotha | oh, no it's got "design variants" built in to the project |
| 06:08.24 | MonMotha | branching would be for e.g. you take a base platform and make substantial tweaks to create a new project |
| 06:08.40 | MonMotha | so I have a base CPU board, but a client says "can we swap out the ethernet for sound?" |
| 06:08.55 | MonMotha | (where such a change is not just a stuff option) |
| 06:09.52 | ds2 | and will it let me "merge in" fixes/changes between branches? i.e the ethernet swap pointed out a problem with bypassing on the CPU that would be applicable even with the sound option |
| 06:09.54 | MonMotha | I never did a branch of a project, though there was one instance where I should have |
| 06:10.03 | MonMotha | no, it won't merge like that |
| 06:10.27 | MonMotha | if you branch, you're doing it from the command line, checking out the new branch, and effectively loading it as a different project |
| 06:10.43 | ds2 | oh like that |
| 06:10.44 | Mirell | Yay svn branches |
| 06:10.47 | MonMotha | it'll handle that well enough (due to svn style branching basically creating a new directory heirarchy) |
| 06:10.59 | MonMotha | but it doesn't really "know" that you're on a branch |
| 06:11.11 | MonMotha | the version control integration is, like I said, very linear |
| 06:11.17 | MonMotha | still the best I've seen in ECAD software |
| 06:11.49 | ds2 | ah, so it is a bit more then using a VCS on the files |
| 06:11.49 | MonMotha | there may be a way to generate and apply an ECN though |
| 06:12.05 | MonMotha | under the hood, it does just use a VCS on the files, but the GUI is aware of it and integrates it in |
| 06:12.36 | ds2 | it'd be cool if it did VC on each net and each part |
| 06:12.47 | MonMotha | one minor annoyance is that you have to determine which files belong in VCS (source files) and which don't (generated files), but they may have improved that by now |
| 06:12.55 | MonMotha | yeah, it doesn't do that |
| 06:13.17 | MonMotha | in fact, their recommended scheme for doing "controlled libraries" is to place each part in its own library file, which I find silly. IIRC, that got fixed in the Winter '08 release. |
| 06:13.57 | MonMotha | They seem to have a twice yearly release schedule, so you can probably get Summer '09 right now, and you'll probably end up getting two upgrades with the cost of the (required) 1 year support contract. |
| 06:14.19 | MonMotha | I do wish there was a way to buy it without the support contract, but it's still very reasonably priced even with said support agreement. |
| 06:14.25 | ds2 | it makes me wonder how complex is library management given that you also got mechanical aspects |
| 06:14.58 | ds2 | well, I want their router and that puts it above my budget |
| 06:15.11 | MonMotha | the full bore package is $4k |
| 06:15.21 | MonMotha | the library management can get time consuming if you want to use it to its full potential |
| 06:15.31 | MonMotha | symbol, footprint, 3D model, simulation models |
| 06:15.40 | MonMotha | but boy does it let you do cool stuff |
| 06:15.53 | ds2 | for 4K, it better do cool stuff ;) |
| 06:15.57 | MonMotha | and it does |
| 06:16.13 | MonMotha | FYI, OrCAD+PADS (which is what seems to be the common design flow these days) can run you $40k+ |
| 06:16.25 | MonMotha | and they're not nearly as good, in my opinion |
| 06:16.39 | ds2 | well, for limit uses, Eagle works |
| 06:16.53 | ds2 | just no sim. or mechanical integration |
| 06:17.25 | MonMotha | right |
| 06:17.49 | MonMotha | I wouldn't want to do anything more complex than, say, a typical 4-layer PCB in Eagle |
| 06:17.53 | ds2 | someone should write a converter so one can have a master schematic in eagle and then have that file spit out inputs for SwitcherCad |
| 06:17.59 | MonMotha | but for what it is, it works well |
| 06:18.07 | ds2 | and also do virtual pick and place with the DXF files |
| 06:18.44 | ds2 | i think it is also limited to a single designer... otherwise, things getout of hand |
| 06:19.41 | MonMotha | I never did work in designer with multiple people touching the CAD files |
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| 06:19.47 | MonMotha | it has features for that, though |
| 06:19.59 | ds2 | the viewdraw stuff seems to be well setup for it |
| 06:20.07 | MonMotha | it will, e.g. let you know that somebody else has commited changes to a schematic and let you view a diff to merge |
| 06:21.01 | MonMotha | I think layout you should probably restrict to one "active" person at a time just due to the nature of layout causing even small changes to be difficult to merge |
| 06:21.15 | MonMotha | but that's less of a technical limitation and more of a "just the way it is" |
| 06:21.31 | ds2 | but if one schematic is linked to multiple boards... |
| 06:22.12 | MonMotha | that is true, and it does support that |
| 06:32.23 | Mirell | Anyone know of a decent hosting service? |
| 06:37.35 | ds2 | nope |
| 06:37.43 | ds2 | i rather do a co-lo |
| 06:42.47 | Mirell | Co-lo is quite expensive... |
| 06:49.06 | ds2 | there are discount Co-lo's... the bandwidth is more expensive |
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| 07:33.45 | Mirell | ds2: For colocating my server, it's $300ish |
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| 09:46.44 | Mirell | Fascinating. mplayer OSX doesn't support Vivo, nor does VLC. |
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| 13:27.32 | Mirell | Ahh...hmm. |
| 13:27.40 | Mirell | Subject of a spam I recently received: "I was beheaded! Poor me :( SpamX " |
| 13:27.48 | Mirell | Er, "I was beheaded! Poor me :(" |
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| 14:24.05 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:35.21 | Mirell | 'lo |
| 14:39.04 | prpplague | can't figure out how he always ends up working on things that very few people work on |
| 14:41.36 | chouimat | prpplague: it's because you are extremely lucky ? |
| 14:48.27 | Mirell | Lucky Lucky. |
| 14:50.52 | CosmicPenguin | Wecome to my world |
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| 14:57.32 | chouimat | kergoth: CosmicPenguin Mirell hi |
| 14:57.38 | kergoth | morning |
| 15:09.54 | Mirell | prpplague: That's why you charge more though! |
| 15:10.25 | prpplague | Mirell: actually i'm not charging that much more for this project |
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| 15:12.38 | Mirell | prpplague: Lesson learned then |
| 15:12.53 | prpplague | Mirell: it's still in the quote phase |
| 15:12.57 | Mirell | Ah. |
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| 16:54.21 | ds2 | morning |
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| 17:15.15 | calculus | hmm... my friend had a dreamhost account/server, but I forget where he moved since |
| 17:15.32 | chiques | Anyone know where I can get some pbasic coding help? |
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| 18:04.17 | prpplague | Mirell: ping |
| 18:05.43 | prpplague | ~seen mallum |
| 18:05.45 | purl | mallum <n=mallum@86.163.241.224> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 611d 7h 41m 2s ago, saying: 'hey XorA'. |
| 18:08.28 | prpplague | ho ho ho, merry freakin friday |
| 18:08.48 | CosmicPenguin | blahblahblah |
| 18:08.50 | kergoth | hey |
| 18:09.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 18:09.07 | prpplague | kergoth: what's cookin bossman? |
| 18:09.30 | kergoth | working on easy bugs, waiting on builds, boring morning |
| 18:09.33 | kergoth | you? |
| 18:09.49 | prpplague | kergoth: trying to finish up with a massive project quote |
| 18:10.05 | prpplague | kergoth: hopefully get a yea/nea on it later today |
| 18:10.09 | chouimat | is looking at the rain outside |
| 18:10.10 | kergoth | cool |
| 18:10.46 | prpplague | kergoth: yea looks like a fun project, but has alot of tech that isn't well documented |
| 18:12.11 | prpplague | kergoth: aparently i've gotten a reputation for being able to hack on stuff with no docs |
| 18:12.19 | kergoth | lucky you |
| 18:12.30 | prpplague | kergoth: not sure if it is lucky or not |
| 18:12.57 | kergoth | well, it'll get you work, but on the flip side, working without docs is no picnic, so you may get the annoying work :) |
| 18:13.32 | prpplague | kergoth: indeed , its kind of like saying that lots of fat girls want to sleep with you, yea you are getting alot of action, but they're fat |
| 18:13.42 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:13.45 | kergoth | nice analogy |
| 18:15.06 | prpplague | thinks that his wife changed laundry detergent to something that is very itchy |
| 18:16.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: still molesting X on cortex-a8 stuff? |
| 18:16.46 | CosmicPenguin | oh, yeah |
| 18:16.57 | CosmicPenguin | badly |
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| 18:22.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: fun fun |
| 18:22.51 | kergoth | hmm, i should really use linkedin more |
| 18:22.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'd give up my left arm to go to LeftHand this afternoon |
| 18:23.23 | prpplague | kergoth: works pretty well for contract work and networking for jobs |
| 18:23.28 | kergoth | finds that turn of phrase amusing. give up an arm to go to a hand.. ;) |
| 18:23.48 | prpplague | kergoth: hehe |
| 18:23.50 | kergoth | prpplague: yeah, i get contacted pretty regularly about them from recruiters, but don't really leverage it well, i don't think |
| 18:24.04 | kergoth | don't update my status there, or keep up with adding people i deal with in oss |
| 18:24.33 | prpplague | yea i don't do as much as i should on there either |
| 18:24.44 | prpplague | i have half a dozen people i need to write recommendations for |
| 18:25.43 | kergoth | hmm, don't think i've ever used the recommendations at all |
| 18:26.27 | CosmicPenguin | I recommend that you get a recommendation |
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| 18:30.41 | chouimat | hehe |
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| 19:58.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: good lord, if i get this contract it is gonna wear me out for the next 90 days |
| 20:00.33 | CosmicPenguin | That is the life you have chosen |
| 20:02.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe\ |
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| 20:42.52 | Mirell | prpplague: Pong. |
| 21:36.35 | prpplague_afk | jumps around and dances!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:36.41 | prpplague_afk | wahoooooooo |
| 21:37.00 | prpplague_afk | goes to celebrate! |
| 21:37.20 | MonMotha | prpplague_afk: received your contract? |
| 21:39.01 | GPSFan | MonMotha: I'd bet that's the case. |
| 21:40.51 | CosmicPenguin | given that he was stressed about it, I think he would start it... |
| 21:45.12 | calculus | that means 90 days of work! |
| 22:04.58 | ds2 | Hmmmmmm |
| 22:05.26 | ds2 | either this is a strange coincidence or..... |
| 22:10.32 | ds2 | That was not very nice of you. |
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| 22:31.49 | Mirell | Or he could have been really excited about Beer 30 |
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| 22:53.45 | ds2 | I am outta here. it is clear that I am not welcomed here. |
| 22:53.50 | ds2 | been nice. |
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| 22:54.00 | Mirell | ...what? |
| 22:54.06 | kergoth | uh |
| 22:54.51 | kergoth | thinks ds2 should put down the crack pipe |
| 23:04.39 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, that was random |
| 23:23.53 | calculus | we <3 ds2 |
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| 23:24.38 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 23:24.48 | prpplague | is completely exhasted |
| 23:25.19 | CosmicPenguin | That must have been some celebration.... |
| 23:28.30 | joe_bleau | I've get a Tek DPO at work. Parallel printer port on the back; no GPIB, no RS-232. |
| 23:28.47 | joe_bleau | It also has a floppy for waveform output, which is clunky to use these days. |
| 23:29.09 | joe_bleau | I'm just thinking out loud...would it be practical to simulate a printer |
| 23:29.20 | joe_bleau | and stuff the data into memory, then transfer to a PC? |
| 23:29.45 | joe_bleau | I'm just trying to get screenshots onto the PC for documentation. |
| 23:30.06 | joe_bleau | Obviously, I'd have to find a way to parse the printer data (PCL, Epson, etc.) |
| 23:30.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin hehe, just got home from getting some groceries |
| 23:31.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin this whole quote/business end of things wears me out |
| 23:32.14 | prpplague | joe_bleau you can use a ft2232 or a ft245 to do the fifo conversion to usb |
| 23:32.31 | prpplague | joe_bleau using libusb or the libftdi libs your can do a who util for that |
| 23:32.52 | MonMotha | with a little work, it might be possible to use an off-the-shelf USB parallel port dongle for that |
| 23:33.14 | joe_bleau | Hmm. Will the FTDI chips expose a full 8 bit port with handshaking? I don't recall how many lines I'd need to sim a printer. |
| 23:33.14 | MonMotha | maybe just a little glue to turn it into EPP read mode or similar |
| 23:33.14 | prpplague | joe_bleau yep |
| 23:33.14 | joe_bleau | I like not having to throw a micro at it. |
| 23:33.22 | prpplague | joe_bleau its a full 8-bit fifo with control lines |
| 23:33.35 | prpplague | joe_bleau ft245 would probably be a better choice |
| 23:33.45 | joe_bleau | MonMotha: I doubt those USB parallel dongles will work as EPP...but I've not researched it. |
| 23:34.04 | MonMotha | They should support EPP mode. It's pretty common... |
| 23:34.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin i hope i'm not getting in over my head |
| 23:34.11 | joe_bleau | Wow, I bet I can probably get a demo board for the FTDI chip, so I wouldn't have to spin a board. |
| 23:34.14 | MonMotha | though some may jump straight to ECP, which is a pain in the butt |
| 23:34.16 | joe_bleau | That might just work. |
| 23:34.19 | prpplague | MonMotha most of those parport usb dongles are ft245's |
| 23:34.30 | MonMotha | there you go, then |
| 23:34.34 | MonMotha | generic control |
| 23:34.36 | prpplague | (or atleast all the ones i've found) |
| 23:34.50 | MonMotha | yeah, I haven't bought any of those things since FTDI came into the market |
| 23:35.19 | prpplague | joe_bleau my favorit - http://www.dlpdesign.com/usb/usb245r.shtml |
| 23:35.35 | prpplague | joe_bleau $18 |
| 23:36.04 | prpplague | joe_bleau great for doing simple logic probe analysis on hack devices |
| 23:38.47 | joe_bleau | I think we're on to something here. Thanks! |
| 23:41.06 | Mirell | Hmm... |
| 23:49.37 | Mirell | In other news, |
| 23:49.40 | Mirell | Cat on mah lap. |
| 23:50.04 | CosmicPenguin | WHy is ooimpress so bloody terrible? |
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| 23:53.49 | prpplague | well that was quick |
| 23:54.14 | Mirell | ? |
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| 23:54.34 | Mirell | Oh |
| 23:54.56 | prpplague | don't mind me i'm totally out of it this evening |
| 23:54.56 | Mirell | I ignore joins/parts |
| 23:54.59 | prpplague | ahh |
| 23:55.25 | MonMotha | CosmicPenguin: because it's an inferior clone of a bloody terrible program? |
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