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| 02:54.01 | monkey_ | anybody here? |
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| 13:10.40 | pingbat | hello |
| 13:11.00 | pingbat | anyone know anything about the GPIO speed on the Luminary Cortex-M3 ? |
| 13:11.14 | pingbat | can't seem to find anything in the documentation |
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| 14:51.54 | chouimat | morning |
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| 14:52.49 | kergoth | morning |
| 14:52.54 | T0mW | morning |
| 14:59.09 | chouimat | T0mW, kergoth hey |
| 14:59.28 | T0mW | chouimat: heh, coffee finally kick in? |
| 15:00.04 | chouimat | T0mW: woke up less than 1 hours ago, time to make coffee and this cold/flu is annoying |
| 15:00.27 | T0mW | chouimat: yes, just having my first cup now. |
| 15:00.59 | chouimat | T0mW: and I'm currently looking at my todo list and I think I will cry |
| 15:01.11 | chouimat | brb the boss (cat) need food |
| 15:01.32 | T0mW | chouimat: yeah. I have four weeks before I have to demo this new board... |
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| 15:03.15 | chouimat | T0mW: my workspace is a mess, and I need to clean it |
| 15:03.58 | T0mW | could say the same about his house |
| 15:04.22 | chouimat | T0mW: and I need to go clean the kitchen too :) |
| 15:04.35 | T0mW | chouimat: after last week, I've got tools, empty boxes, plumbing materials, etc. scattered around. |
| 15:05.10 | T0mW | chouimat: this radiant floor heat is absolutely wonderful! My house is finally WARM. |
| 15:05.17 | chouimat | T0mW: I have 7 big piles of book/stuff on the floor, 2 bookcases to build and a few monitors stand too |
| 15:05.40 | chouimat | T0mW: I have radiant floor heat too ... it's called downstair neighbors ;) |
| 15:05.46 | T0mW | LOL |
| 15:05.52 | T0mW | yeah, that is right. |
| 15:06.28 | chouimat | even at -30C I put my heat around 65F and I manage to need a fan to be able to work |
| 15:06.42 | T0mW | chouimat: I have to move the circulator pump though. It is in the hall closet and you can hear it running. It needs to go down in the basement someplace. |
| 15:07.12 | chouimat | T0mW: near the water heater? |
| 15:07.46 | T0mW | chouimat: was thinking of mounting it on the outlet pipe of the water heater. It only weighs 3 pounds. |
| 15:08.32 | T0mW | chouimat: so, what kind of work are you now doing? |
| 15:08.47 | T0mW | kergoth: morning, what's up? |
| 15:09.01 | chouimat | T0mW: looking for works, and writing a business plan (this is driving me nuts) |
| 15:09.08 | T0mW | heh |
| 15:09.57 | T0mW | chouimat: I have a new board (CPU board) for an old product. Get this, I have an IDE connector on the board and am controlling the address / data / control signals via the IDE of the dev computer. |
| 15:10.21 | chouimat | hehe |
| 15:10.22 | T0mW | chouimat: hopefully, this will speed code development. eliminate downloading into the target. |
| 15:11.07 | chouimat | hmmm wtf is AB controllogix? |
| 15:11.21 | T0mW | chouimat: took me a while to realize that 0x1f0 is the only i/o port on IDE that is 16bit and had to gimmick a way to read 1 port, and write to 2 other addresses. |
| 15:12.16 | T0mW | it works now. I've got to plug it into the unit and start fleshing out IOCTL code in the kernel module. |
| 15:14.16 | chouimat | T0mW: cool |
| 15:14.34 | T0mW | chouimat: business plan is simple: create product that sells for $1, everyone needs it and it only costs 10cents to make. Done! |
| 15:14.55 | T0mW | chouimat: what more do you need? |
| 15:15.03 | chouimat | T0mW: something fun |
| 15:15.09 | T0mW | lol |
| 15:15.18 | T0mW | yeah, there is that too. |
| 15:16.07 | T0mW | well, time for another cup, get svn working on that dev box and start coding. |
| 15:16.17 | prpplague | T0mW: hey you still use eagle for all your pcb stuff right? |
| 15:16.23 | T0mW | yes |
| 15:16.37 | chouimat | T0mW: currently working on a sample clients of the framework I spent the summers working on, it's fun to be able to control the NAS devices from the Wii in the living room |
| 15:16.42 | prpplague | ever looked at going with PADS ? |
| 15:28.57 | T0mW | no. for what layout work that I do, Eagle is good enough. |
| 15:30.17 | prpplague | T0mW: hmm, everyone that i need to do business with so far wants PADS |
| 15:30.33 | T0mW | besides, I like the fact that I can take a PDF of a part, cut & paste pinout data to a text file, process the file with perl to create a symbol for Eagle. |
| 15:30.57 | T0mW | saves a ton of typing (and typos). |
| 15:31.49 | prpplague | T0mW: indeed |
| 15:31.49 | T0mW | prpplague: I don't have enough money to afford to purchase PADS |
| 15:32.59 | prpplague | T0mW: my layout guy got an older copy of PADS, i was just looking to have a copy myself |
| 15:33.04 | T0mW | prpplague: this customer, they are just happy that my sh!t works. They don't get bogged down in picky little details like the cad package. heehee |
| 15:34.08 | T0mW | besides, for $1000 they can get their own copy and make changes to my layout |
| 15:34.19 | T0mW | chump change |
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| 15:35.00 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, i'm still torn between using eagle, or using orcad+pads |
| 15:35.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey bud |
| 15:36.03 | CosmicPenguin | yo |
| 15:37.05 | T0mW | does not like OrCad, too weird |
| 15:37.26 | prpplague | T0mW: funny thats how i feel about eagle, hehe |
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| 15:43.55 | T0mW | I'm looking for a package that will do: auto-circuit design, auto-placement, auto-routing and auto-gerber. Wait! That is what my customer gets from me! |
| 15:44.41 | T0mW | well, time to write some code. |
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| 16:01.50 | T0mW | xkcd is good today |
| 16:03.45 | Madsy | Hehe, indeed. |
| 16:03.54 | Madsy | I'm also fed up with airport security. |
| 16:04.32 | CosmicPenguin | Most of human history can be traced to a few bad apples that made life bad for everybody else |
| 16:05.14 | chouimat | hehe |
| 16:05.37 | Madsy | Last time, they asked me if they could perform a body search on me. I ask what my options were. It was a body search, or not being able to pass. |
| 16:05.44 | Madsy | So why the hell did they ask then? |
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| 16:06.13 | chouimat | Madsy: to give you the illusions you have the right to say no ;) |
| 16:06.13 | Madsy | It is in such situations I doubt both my social skills *and* human kind as a whole.. |
| 16:06.19 | Madsy | Exactly. |
| 16:06.43 | Madsy | I say screw the politeness for politeness sake, if it doesn't make a difference. |
| 16:07.35 | prpplague | wonders why he is always doing dev on things no one else is working on |
| 16:07.54 | chouimat | Madsy: they asked my brother once, so he looked at the guy and say with a nice sweet and sexy voice: Ok but be gentle it's my first time |
| 16:08.07 | Madsy | :-) |
| 16:08.11 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:08.52 | prpplague | chouimat: i am still upset about my laptop that USCIS destroyed back in 1999 |
| 16:09.15 | prpplague | chouimat: they decided since it didn't have windows installed it must be a fake laptop |
| 16:09.36 | prpplague | chouimat: took the whole thing apart right there in front of me |
| 16:09.38 | Madsy | We didn't have airport security checkpoints until 2002 |
| 16:09.46 | Madsy | Back then, I loved to travel. |
| 16:10.07 | chouimat | prpplague: why do you think I have a few mac laptop ... every airports employees know that you can't fake/hack them ;-p |
| 16:10.38 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:11.08 | prpplague | i'm probably on a what list now after i got in an argument at DFW with american airlines |
| 16:11.29 | Madsy | If I travel with a few dev-boards, they always check those carefully, but they don't care much about my laptop or iPod. |
| 16:12.11 | prpplague | Madsy: yea we always had problems with prototypes when i worked for AML |
| 16:12.19 | chouimat | I don't like american customs officers and airport drones ... way too by the book, even went it doesn't make any senses |
| 16:12.21 | Madsy | So the general rule seems to be that naked electronics with flashng lights is suspicious, but electronics in a shell is not. |
| 16:12.30 | Madsy | I blame Hollywood. |
| 16:13.05 | ohsix | it comes down to what they're doing is pointless, but it looks important to people; like a cop with a radar gun |
| 16:13.16 | prpplague | indeed |
| 16:14.12 | chouimat | ohsix: I saw a few things about airport employees in canada and it seems that 15 to 25% of them have ties with the organised crime ... and they don't check them |
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| 16:39.33 | SpeedEvil | Hello! Is there a list anywhere of all the processors linux can run on, their footprints, and ideally where to buy them? |
| 16:39.44 | SpeedEvil | I doubt it, and google reveals nothing - but... |
| 16:40.15 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: no not really |
| 16:40.35 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: there are some pages at elinux.org that have some, but by no means is it comprehensive |
| 16:40.42 | CosmicPenguin | Processors aren't the problem |
| 16:40.48 | SpeedEvil | I know. |
| 16:40.49 | CosmicPenguin | platforms are the problem |
| 16:41.18 | prpplague | (and people like CosmicPenguin, they are the real problem) |
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| 16:41.24 | prpplague | jokes with CosmicPenguin |
| 16:41.56 | CosmicPenguin | If you ever used any of my products, I would write in a bug just for you |
| 16:42.10 | SpeedEvil | What I really want is a SoC that I can use with little other than decoupling capacitors, and has one serial IO, and a couple of GPIOs. And supports aggressive powersaving. And is tiny. And available, and ... |
| 16:42.12 | SpeedEvil | But ... |
| 16:42.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 16:43.03 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: there are a number of those, it all depends on how much computing power you need |
| 16:43.32 | SpeedEvil | About 1/10th-1/100th of the hammer. |
| 16:44.11 | SpeedEvil | starts wandering around elinux |
| 16:45.12 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: the LH79520 series is a qfp, easily soldered, has good power savings, and requires very little external components |
| 16:46.26 | SpeedEvil | downloads datasheet. |
| 16:46.32 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: the other option would be possible an AVR32 |
| 16:46.38 | SpeedEvil | yeah. |
| 16:46.44 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: those are very inexpensive and easy to work with |
| 16:47.01 | SpeedEvil | Are - generally - any stacked ROM+RAM+CPU available in ones? |
| 16:47.11 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: there are a number of LH7952x based devices you could hack as a starting point |
| 16:47.23 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: not for the stuff you want to do |
| 16:47.40 | HcE | do you need 32-bit? |
| 16:47.47 | SpeedEvil | Well... |
| 16:47.52 | HcE | what about an ATtiny device? |
| 16:47.59 | SpeedEvil | I don't need 32 bit, I could probably get by with 8 - but. |
| 16:48.19 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: oh i thought you wanted something to run linux |
| 16:48.20 | SpeedEvil | Ideally I want to be able to use linux on it, and just use bluez and stuff |
| 16:48.35 | HcE | heh, then you probably want a 32-bit MCU, yes |
| 16:48.47 | SpeedEvil | I'm trying to pretend at the moment that I'm not going to end up needing to code large slices of asm for each thing. |
| 16:48.53 | HcE | I only saw low power as a demand |
| 16:49.23 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: http://www.elinux.org/LH79524 |
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| 16:55.20 | SpeedEvil | Interesting. |
| 16:55.44 | SpeedEvil | I really want a SoC with RAM and ROM all inside, in DIP8. But I guess that's not happening :) |
| 16:56.29 | prpplague | hehe in a DIP8? |
| 16:57.09 | SpeedEvil | yeah. I only actually need ~6 GPIO |
| 16:57.25 | prpplague | how much flash/ram ? |
| 16:58.20 | SpeedEvil | a couple of meg, ideally 8, and 8 or 16 |
| 16:58.54 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: are you trying to keep under a certain physical size? |
| 16:59.35 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: Ideally that too. |
| 17:00.00 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: I'd like 10*10*10mm for the whole system, but I know that's not very likely. |
| 17:00.10 | SpeedEvil | I'm at the moment trying to work out the least bad compromises. |
| 17:00.31 | SpeedEvil | So I've not got a very good grasp of the eventual specs. |
| 17:00.40 | prpplague | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Lantronix-XPort-Pro/ |
| 17:00.50 | Zoiah | prpplague: darn, just wanted to paste this. ;) |
| 17:00.53 | Zoiah | Only 3 GPIO though. |
| 17:01.34 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: what kind of qty you going to need? |
| 17:02.04 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: alas initially one. |
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| 17:03.14 | SpeedEvil | that is quite small indeed! |
| 17:03.38 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: there are a number of NXP chipsets that might work, but i've not looked at them in a while |
| 17:04.18 | SpeedEvil | nxp - seems to be very unfriendly for ordering small volumes though |
| 17:04.44 | prpplague | yea |
| 17:05.09 | SpeedEvil | Currently I want docs for their DESFIRE smartcards |
| 17:05.18 | SpeedEvil | I can buy the things and readers cheap |
| 17:05.44 | SpeedEvil | but how to program. |
| 17:05.44 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: seems like had done some research for a small data collector for AML that had similar specs |
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| 17:07.08 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: seems like i was looking at something like a lpc3180 |
| 17:07.10 | SpeedEvil | Some good leads to think of anyway. |
| 17:08.20 | SpeedEvil | That does look very shiny. |
| 17:09.55 | SpeedEvil | Have you had any experience in small quantities from nxp, or are they basically uninterested? |
| 17:10.20 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: i have had good luck with ordering them as "engineering samples" |
| 17:10.45 | SpeedEvil | direct, or through disties? |
| 17:11.10 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: i've gotten from both |
| 17:14.23 | SpeedEvil | thanks. Worth a try. |
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| 19:06.55 | blackhole | Hello Friends, I am working upon creating a mobile device & i would like to know how can i check if elinux is supported on chipset i am using? I am thinking of using uclinux |
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| 19:33.20 | pingbat_ | Hi, does anyone know how i can find the GPIO input speed on a Luminary chip? |
| 19:33.32 | pingbat_ | i couldn't find anything in the documentation |
| 19:34.31 | prpplague | pingbat_: that is going to be dependent on so many factors it would be difficult to answer |
| 19:34.37 | prpplague | pingbat_: generally you get some info in the datasheets about rise/fall times |
| 19:35.15 | prpplague | pingbat_: but getting accurate sample rate info is going to be dependent on code and clock settings |
| 19:37.26 | pingbat | yeah, i am not familiar with the opcodes/assm for that core but i reckon a read and save could be done in 2 cycles, since it did state that it was a single cycle read |
| 19:37.50 | pingbat | so i guess i'll look for a rise time |
| 19:39.14 | T0mW | prpplague: you also are limited by the performance of the AHB bus (internal bridge between the core and the IO section of the processor) |
| 19:40.16 | T0mW | opcode cycle timing does not dictate I/O pin performance with ARM |
| 19:40.21 | prpplague | indeed i left that out |
| 19:40.38 | pingbat | cause of the pipelining? |
| 19:41.03 | prpplague | pingbat: GPIO's are usually on the Arm Highspeed Bus |
| 19:41.04 | T0mW | purl: lart prpplague |
| 19:41.04 | purl | executes killall -KILL prpplague |
| 19:41.16 | prpplague | pingbat: which has a seperate clock |
| 19:41.24 | pingbat | ahh |
| 19:42.11 | T0mW | some ARM derivatives have a "super" speed access to pins, I think that it bypasses the AHB somehow. Some NXP chips do that. |
| 19:42.59 | T0mW | prpplague: I've got my device to register in /proc/devices, but nothing appears in /dev. Suggestion? |
| 19:43.38 | T0mW | it shows up, dynamically, as a misc (major 250) |
| 19:43.59 | T0mW | I thought that /dev would show /dev/mydevice |
| 19:44.23 | pingbat | well, the chip i'm looking at has "legacy" and "high speed" with "high speed " promising single cycle writes, does this suggest a bypass of the AHB? |
| 19:44.34 | T0mW | yes |
| 19:44.39 | prpplague | T0mW: that depends on what framework you used |
| 19:44.44 | T0mW | cdev |
| 19:46.09 | T0mW | prpplague: don't get distracted by me. I thought you might know off the top of your head. |
| 19:46.25 | prpplague | T0mW: in your driver source are you doing a misc_register() ? |
| 19:47.19 | T0mW | prpplague: alloc_chrdev_region |
| 19:47.43 | pingbat | thanks very much guys |
| 19:47.50 | prpplague | pingbat: np |
| 19:47.55 | T0mW | prpplague: I thought that was how to dynamically assign the MAJOR and register the device. |
| 19:48.07 | T0mW | it registers in /proc/devices. |
| 19:48.21 | prpplague | T0mW: with what major number? |
| 19:48.28 | T0mW | 250 |
| 19:49.47 | prpplague | T0mW: yea i normally use whatever framework is available |
| 19:50.16 | T0mW | prpplague: what framework? Is there a skeleton somewhere? I need IOCTL. |
| 19:50.27 | prpplague | T0mW: this a standard char device? |
| 19:50.39 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, basically. My own hardware. |
| 19:51.10 | T0mW | prpplague: I just need to pass integers (16bit) between hardware one at a time. |
| 19:51.13 | T0mW | simple stuff. |
| 19:51.51 | prpplague | T0mW: look at drivers/char/nwbutton.c , very basic example of usin the misc char framework |
| 19:52.02 | T0mW | thanks |
| 19:52.24 | prpplague | T0mW: the core portions are in drivers/char/misc.c |
| 19:53.40 | T0mW | brb, X is sucking all my CPU cycles |
| 19:56.00 | chouimat | arrrggg |
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| 19:56.57 | T0mW | prpplague: I like most of the features in KDE 4, but wish that it was more stable. |
| 19:57.10 | T0mW | prpplague: I will look at that nwbutton driver, thanks. |
| 19:57.21 | prpplague | <T0mW> prpplague: I like most of the features in KDE 4, but wish that it was more stable. |
| 19:57.21 | T0mW | goes to post office |
| 19:57.27 | chouimat | T0mW: which version? |
| 19:57.29 | prpplague | s/KDE/My Wife |
| 19:57.35 | T0mW`gone | LOL |
| 20:23.10 | pingbat | what is the industry standard EDA software? |
| 20:23.26 | pingbat | is it gEDA ? |
| 20:23.33 | pingbat | or something expensive? |
| 20:41.46 | pingbat | hello, i am having an issue where pcb is reporting the .pcb file created by gsch2pcb as having a syntax error |
| 20:44.00 | pingbat | http://pastebin.com/d3a091cc2 |
| 20:44.11 | pingbat | it says there is a syntax error on line 22 |
| 20:45.22 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3662 |
| 20:46.07 | CosmicPenguin | Another horse enters the race |
| 20:51.21 | T0mW | chouimat: lib64kdecore4-3.5.10-11mdv2009.1 |
| 20:51.29 | chouimat | k |
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| 21:21.10 | prpplague | ~seen mirell |
| 21:21.15 | purl | mirell is currently on #uclibc (8d 4h 22m 11s). Has said a total of 169 messages. Is idling for 11h 20m 12s, last said: 'Sigh. And ESR has decided to be a bully, again.'. |
| 21:29.10 | T0mW | prpplague: device_create() |
| 21:30.15 | prpplague | T0mW: yea that usually is part of the framework for the device register |
| 21:30.31 | prpplague | T0mW: when you call misc_register() , device_create() is called |
| 21:30.47 | T0mW | prpplague: nod |
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| 23:18.16 | Mirell | Hmm.. |
| 23:32.54 | Mirell | 2.5 hour interviews are looooong |
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| 23:46.10 | joe_bleau | Mmm. 0.01% resistors. |