| 00:20.53 | Mirell | Huzzah, official letter. |
| 00:28.51 | Mirell | I have no idea what 90% of this legalese means |
| 00:29.07 | MonMotha | that's typical |
| 00:29.32 | Mirell | Other than, yay, employed, insurance is paid for by the company, and apparently I get 30,000 stock options. |
| 00:32.46 | MonMotha | what's crazy is that if you ask anybody there about any of it, they may well claim they don't know what it means, either :) |
| 00:32.58 | MonMotha | chances are it's some form that they bought from a legal services company |
| 00:35.46 | Mirell | Probably. |
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| 00:44.57 | prpplague_afk | ~seen t0wm |
| 00:44.59 | purl | prpplague_afk: i haven't seen 't0wm' |
| 00:45.00 | prpplague_afk | ~seen t0mw |
| 00:45.01 | purl | t0mw <n=Tom@24.238.37.43.res-cmts.tv13.ptd.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #edev, 7d 3h 14m 14s ago, saying: 'prpplague: nod'. |
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| 02:30.38 | prpplague | mnemoc ping |
| 02:34.57 | Mirell | prpplague_afk: ping |
| 02:50.18 | prpplague | Mirell pong |
| 02:50.28 | Mirell | 15 Minute Latency. |
| 02:50.33 | Mirell | You gotta check your router, man. |
| 02:51.13 | prpplague | Mirell sorry was deep into reading some code(and having a beer) |
| 02:51.36 | Mirell | prpplague: Familiar at all with pre-IPO stock options? |
| 02:51.54 | prpplague | Mirell you have got to be kidding |
| 02:52.02 | Mirell | Eh? |
| 02:52.08 | prpplague | is financial dumbass |
| 02:52.14 | Mirell | Heh |
| 02:52.18 | Mirell | Running a business! |
| 02:52.21 | Mirell | Good start. :D |
| 02:52.28 | prpplague | Mirell i have a CPA for that |
| 02:52.33 | Mirell | Hehe |
| 02:52.35 | Mirell | Fair enough. |
| 02:52.51 | prpplague | Mirell i dont understand that stock market stuff at all |
| 02:53.27 | prpplague | Mirell people make fun of me all the time "it's so easy!" and i tell them "oh yea? so is doing a kernel driver for a spi based can device" |
| 02:53.47 | Mirell | Ouch. |
| 02:54.21 | prpplague | Mirell a good person to talk to would be cosmic, he is much more attuned to that kind of stuff |
| 02:55.28 | prpplague | Mirell the other might be good to look at all the gotcha's that happened with the redhat IPO a few years ago |
| 02:56.27 | prpplague | Mirell i can learn about anything if i have motivation, just never had the need for stock related stuff |
| 02:56.35 | MonMotha | prpplague: but doing a driver for a SPI based CAN device *is* easy :) |
| 02:57.56 | prpplague | MonMotha my point exactly, for us the driver is easy, for them doing stock market stuff is easy |
| 02:58.02 | prpplague | MonMotha just a point of view |
| 02:59.38 | MonMotha | I understand |
| 02:59.51 | MonMotha | just making a silly statement |
| 02:59.55 | prpplague | ahh ok |
| 03:00.22 | MonMotha | while trying to clean my house up enough to sell it |
| 03:00.38 | MonMotha | amazing how much crap one can accumulate |
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| 03:01.08 | prpplague | MonMotha re |
| 03:01.16 | MonMotha | X server segfaulted |
| 03:01.22 | MonMotha | I think this PC is finally on its way out |
| 03:01.37 | MonMotha | it had some bad caps that I replaced a few weeks back, but who knows how long it ran with those bad caps |
| 03:01.41 | MonMotha | probably damaged some FETs |
| 03:01.54 | prpplague | ahh |
| 03:02.03 | MonMotha | the mobo is like 6-7 years old, anyway |
| 03:02.27 | prpplague | ahh |
| 03:02.45 | MonMotha | I'll probably build a new one soon |
| 03:03.10 | MonMotha | I seem to be spending lots of money that I don't want to spend |
| 03:03.12 | MonMotha | oh well |
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| 03:34.16 | prpplague | solar he does IT and web stuff, down in barbados |
| 03:34.16 | prpplague | solar he's got all the hotels and such |
| 03:34.16 | prpplague | solar change of scenery and some $$$ |
| 03:34.52 | prpplague | thinks solar bailed on that idea |
| 03:34.52 | Mirell | Heh |
| 03:36.07 | prpplague | solar plus i can set you up with one of about 10^200 of my wife's cousins |
| 03:36.07 | solar | hotels I did those and city hall. G8 summit and a few other things via the town,city municipalities |
| 03:36.16 | solar | oh whats this. you shall tempt with the ladies |
| 03:36.25 | prpplague | pretty big $$ |
| 03:36.58 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 03:40.05 | Mirell | What, prpplague, you never mentioned this female stock you had. |
| 03:40.52 | prpplague | hehe |
| 03:41.07 | prpplague | 7 out 9 births in barbados are girls |
| 03:42.18 | prpplague | Mirell donna has like 50000000 unmarried cousins |
| 03:43.33 | Mirell | Feel free to ship a few to Austin. |
| 03:44.19 | prpplague | Mirell i've got nicknames for a good number of them |
| 03:46.10 | prpplague | Mirell shall i introduce you to "trudie with the buttie" ? |
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| 03:48.05 | MonMotha | I do not like it when my X server segfaults... |
| 03:50.53 | Mirell | Heh. |
| 03:57.25 | Mirell | prpplague: Parade them out like a brothel |
| 03:57.33 | prpplague | Mirell hehe |
| 04:07.07 | Mirell | Ooooooh |
| 04:07.10 | Mirell | I GET BUSINESS CARDS |
| 04:07.14 | Mirell | Yay I'm a somebody. |
| 04:07.23 | prpplague | checls |
| 04:08.41 | Mirell | Apparently my title is "Development Test Engineer" |
| 04:12.09 | Mirell | I always think the term "Engineer" is to make computer programmers felt like they went to Engineering school |
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| 04:14.11 | prpplague | Mirell hehe |
| 04:15.58 | MonMotha | the term "Engineer" gets thrown around a lot these days... |
| 04:16.46 | MonMotha | it's one thing to call somebody e.g. a "Test Engineer" if they actually design/develop test plans, see them through to implementation, ensure that they work, etc. |
| 04:16.58 | MonMotha | it's another thing to call somebody a "Test Engineer" who works on the production line running the test fixture... |
| 04:17.14 | MonMotha | that's a valuable position, but it's not engineering |
| 04:17.32 | prpplague | i prefer the term "creative intellectual prostitute" |
| 04:18.49 | MonMotha | heh |
| 04:18.55 | Mirell | MonMotha: Heh, I'd be the former... |
| 04:19.08 | MonMotha | well, that's at least closer |
| 04:19.16 | m4t | man so i got a jtag header i thought i'd measured at .100" |
| 04:19.21 | Mirell | I kind of scared the guy when he asked, "When doing a bug report, what's the most importan...REPRODUCABILITY." |
| 04:19.31 | prpplague | hehehe |
| 04:19.33 | m4t | but i got the connectors and its too big, by like a whole .100" |
| 04:19.37 | MonMotha | yeah, pretty much |
| 04:19.41 | MonMotha | m4t: probably a 0.25" |
| 04:19.43 | m4t | 14pin mips |
| 04:19.46 | MonMotha | er 0.25mm |
| 04:19.52 | prpplague | m4t bad bad |
| 04:19.54 | MonMotha | gah, 0.25cm |
| 04:20.00 | MonMotha | I'll get it right eventually |
| 04:20.00 | m4t | 2.00m? |
| 04:20.01 | prpplague | m4t why didn't you get a flyswatter adapter? |
| 04:20.08 | MonMotha | 2.5mm |
| 04:20.14 | prpplague | ~lart m4t |
| 04:20.14 | purl | keeps mailing m4t free America Online CDs until he drowns |
| 04:20.21 | m4t | the one i bought is 2.54mm |
| 04:20.23 | MonMotha | 2.5mm is awfully close to 2.54mm aka 0.1" |
| 04:20.24 | sacaro | hello, any one can help me ? I need to develop beagleboard in C languaje, but i need some *.h and libraries to access this board resources, any one know where are that files? |
| 04:20.36 | MonMotha | it's close enough in fact that it's really hard to measure, but the error adds up quickly |
| 04:20.42 | m4t | prpplague: i already have a wiggler |
| 04:20.46 | prpplague | sacaro #beagle |
| 04:20.49 | MonMotha | I've been burned by that before. Really annoying when the spec is wrong |
| 04:21.05 | m4t | yea i dont want to break off this cap right next to it |
| 04:21.11 | m4t | i mean its pretty obviously not going to fit |
| 04:21.12 | sacaro | thanks |
| 04:21.15 | prpplague | m4t bah, wigglers are so 90ish |
| 04:22.15 | m4t | heh it was just about my first electronics project |
| 04:22.36 | m4t | prpplague: i dont really want something that is advertised/supported as arm |
| 04:22.47 | m4t | this is for a sigma designs smp8634 |
| 04:22.52 | m4t | eJtag spec |
| 04:23.30 | m4t | i think im about to take a pic of this |
| 04:24.22 | prpplague | http://www.tincantools.com/product.php?productid=16145&cat=0&page=1&featured |
| 04:24.52 | m4t | okay brb |
| 04:29.36 | m4t | heh okay |
| 04:31.44 | m4t | http://shell2.reverse.net/~matt/wtf.png |
| 04:31.52 | m4t | sorry, its a 1mb image with shitty resolution |
| 04:32.44 | m4t | the blue one is the one i got |
| 04:33.56 | m4t | that has to be 2.0mm or 1.75mm |
| 04:36.24 | m4t | any guesses? |
| 04:43.19 | m4t | if i had calipers or something... |
| 04:52.41 | m4t | pixel maths says: |
| 04:52.42 | m4t | 22.375 = 32.5 * x |
| 04:52.42 | m4t | x = .688 |
| 04:52.43 | m4t | .688 * 2.54 = 1.74mm |
| 04:53.25 | m4t | :/ |
| 04:53.32 | MonMotha | 1.75mm? A 0.1" header would be nowhere close to right. |
| 04:53.45 | MonMotha | it 0.1" is close but not right, it's almost got to be 2.5mm |
| 04:53.55 | MonMotha | s/it\ /if\ / |
| 04:53.57 | m4t | nah MonMotha take a look at the pic |
| 04:54.15 | m4t | its like... 1/4 larger |
| 04:54.43 | MonMotha | well, 1.75mm is a semi-common connector pitch, but I don't normally see unshrouded raw headers at that pitch. I'm sure someone makes them, though. |
| 04:55.12 | m4t | the pic could be off because of parallax |
| 04:55.17 | MonMotha | is it maybe 0.05"? |
| 04:55.23 | m4t | all i have is a vga phone cam |
| 04:55.27 | m4t | and its blurred |
| 04:55.29 | MonMotha | 1.27mm |
| 04:55.36 | m4t | i think thats too small |
| 04:56.34 | m4t | .075" (1.5mm) or .059" (1.91mm) |
| 04:56.46 | MonMotha | I think FCI may have 1.75mm and 1.5mm stuff |
| 04:58.14 | m4t | i measured again, row width, and got 1.71mm |
| 04:58.39 | MonMotha | that's a pretty random pitch |
| 04:59.11 | m4t | yes |
| 05:01.00 | m4t | my ruler shows about 2mm row width |
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| 05:03.09 | monkey_ | sup fellas |
| 05:03.34 | m4t | measured about 12mm total from end to end, which puts it ~1.71mm pitch |
| 05:15.42 | m4t | yea so .100" row spacing fits |
| 05:15.48 | m4t | but definitely not the pitch |
| 05:16.16 | m4t | from end to end it gives me 12mm, which comes out to 1.71mm |
| 05:17.57 | m4t | http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=52478-1415-ND seems my only choice |
| 05:18.28 | m4t | still 2mm too long though |
| 05:19.19 | m4t | anyone besides mouser/digi-key have a good parametric search? |
| 05:29.52 | m4t | oh hah |
| 05:30.00 | m4t | its 12mm / 6 not 12mm / 7 |
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| 06:01.30 | Mirell | Hmm... |
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| 06:14.23 | MonMotha | m4t: fencepost error? |
| 06:14.44 | m4t | is that what you'd call that? yea |
| 06:14.50 | m4t | i think its 2mm all the way around |
| 06:15.14 | m4t | digikey won't sell 1mm 14+conductor cable in a length less than 5meter |
| 06:15.15 | m4t | heh |
| 06:15.24 | MonMotha | if you have 100 feet of fence, and you need a fence post every 10 feet, how many fence posts do you need? |
| 06:15.32 | m4t | yup |
| 06:15.34 | m4t | exactly |
| 06:15.37 | MonMotha | 2mm pitch? Samtec will probably make you a "sample" |
| 06:16.04 | m4t | i'd say 100/10, for 10 posts, and keep one as a spare, if there's a faulty post |
| 06:16.13 | m4t | it doesn't work with these connectors though ;/ |
| 06:16.41 | MonMotha | the "obvious" answer of 10 is definitely wrong |
| 06:16.45 | m4t | yea |
| 06:16.46 | m4t | 12 |
| 06:16.49 | m4t | hahah |
| 06:16.52 | m4t | oh man |
| 06:16.54 | m4t | that's too bad |
| 06:17.06 | m4t | but yea i might just end up with a bunch of extra cable |
| 06:17.55 | m4t | i think the 2.54mm fit because it has a bit of extra room, the holes are larger, etc. |
| 06:17.58 | m4t | as far as row to row |
| 06:18.09 | m4t | 2mm is likely the proper fit though |
| 06:20.24 | MonMotha | there's a pretty big difference between 2.54mm and 2.0mm. Most people confuse 2.54 and 2.50, not 2.54 and 2.0 or 2.50 and 2.0 |
| 06:22.22 | m4t | i measured again. it looks 90% like its all 2mm spaced |
| 06:22.38 | m4t | usin a matchstick and a pencil, heh, i don't have anything more precise |
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| 06:23.50 | m4t | a nice 10+ megapixel camera on a stand could work well for these kinds of measurements |
| 06:24.12 | MonMotha | taking a picture of a populated PCB is harder than it sounds |
| 06:27.34 | m4t | what kind of boards do you work with? anything in particular? |
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| 06:29.22 | MonMotha | all sorts of stuff |
| 06:30.01 | MonMotha | issue is when there are lots of mechanical features of varying heights, DOF can become an issue. A good camera helps there since you can crank the aperture way down. If the camera is on a tripod, then the resulting lengthy exposure times aren't an issue. |
| 06:30.34 | MonMotha | I don't have a camera with adjustable aperture. Most of my camera needs are for a rather portable unit, so I have a Canon Elph, but those don't have adjustable aperture. |
| 06:32.36 | Mirell | Oh, come on, invest in a small focal length lens and a DSLR. :D |
| 06:34.00 | MonMotha | I can actually do decently with the elph and a little effort. If I really care, I have a friend with a DSLR and several kilodollars worth of glass. |
| 06:42.48 | m4t | i need to get a good camera, i was on top of a mountain a few days ago and couldn't take a pic |
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| 06:53.01 | MonMotha | a cell phone is no substitute for a real camera |
| 06:53.08 | MonMotha | some of them are surprisingly good...for cell phone cameras |
| 06:53.19 | MonMotha | but even a $50 cheapie digicam will outdo them |
| 07:13.01 | calculus | m4t: do you have a compass? that could work for measuring |
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| 07:24.01 | MonMotha | I <3 signal 11 |
| 07:24.25 | MonMotha | (no I don't) |
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| 13:39.55 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
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| 13:53.48 | monkey_ | yo ho ho and a bottle of rum |
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| 14:29.58 | prpplague | hmm spam email "Replacing Windows Saves Money" , darn its about windows for your house not your PC |
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| 14:35.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: greetings |
| 14:35.53 | monkey_ | welcome to the dark side! |
| 14:35.57 | monkey_ | bwahahahahahaha |
| 14:36.41 | mnemoc | hey prpplague! i got a fedex package from you :) thanks! |
| 14:36.56 | CosmicPenguin | hidyho |
| 14:38.55 | monkey_ | hey prpplague |
| 14:42.45 | prpplague | mnemoc: good deal |
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| 15:37.17 | kergoth | meh |
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| 16:02.54 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 16:03.43 | kergoth | hey prpplague |
| 16:04.07 | prpplague | kergoth: greetings |
| 16:04.11 | prpplague | kergoth: whats cookin? |
| 16:04.34 | kergoth | ingesting caffeine and trying to acquire some motivation |
| 16:04.36 | kergoth | you? |
| 16:04.37 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:08.09 | MonMotha | 's house is for sale |
| 16:08.17 | MonMotha | just in case anyone wants to relocate to Fort Wayne, IN |
| 16:11.38 | prpplague | kergoth: almost the same thing |
| 16:11.47 | prpplague | kergoth: trying to work through some parts selections |
| 16:12.00 | kergoth | MonMotha: good luck with the sale |
| 16:12.02 | kergoth | prpplague: ah |
| 16:19.27 | prpplague | makes a cup of coffee |
| 16:33.18 | CosmicPenguin | It is an interesting side effect of the recession that high tech companies are hiring, yet cannot get people to relocate |
| 16:33.32 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:34.01 | CosmicPenguin | I can understand not wanting to relocate to say, Salt Lake City, but this is Boulder, Colorado |
| 16:34.25 | CosmicPenguin | beautiful, full of breweries, top party college nearby |
| 16:35.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, each to his own, not sure i'd want to live in boulder myself, and alot of people wouldn't want to live in texas |
| 16:36.09 | CosmicPenguin | True that... |
| 16:36.29 | CosmicPenguin | I know I don't |
| 16:37.15 | kergoth | i could see not wanting to relocate if you're already employed, but if there's a good prospect and you don't currently have one, i don't see why you wouldn't want to. if there's no relocation assistance, perhaps |
| 16:38.18 | adyer | maybe you're just someone who really likes Indiana <nudges MonMotha> :-) |
| 16:45.48 | MonMotha | adyer: heh |
| 16:46.04 | wmat | prpplague: neat, a semi-local store has Nail kits |
| 16:46.15 | prpplague | wmat: robocraft? |
| 16:46.22 | wmat | prpplague: yep |
| 16:46.31 | wmat | well, robotcraft.ca |
| 16:46.41 | prpplague | kergoth: well it is a little different when you have wife and kids |
| 16:47.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so it's all a matter of persepective |
| 16:47.20 | kergoth | true |
| 16:47.26 | CosmicPenguin | wife and kids I understand |
| 16:47.31 | CosmicPenguin | and owning a house, I understand |
| 16:48.05 | CosmicPenguin | but some qualified people I know (not naming names) are mostly apartment bound and somewhat unattached, and spend all their time geeking, riding bikes or paying to climb fake rocks, and drinking in between |
| 16:48.22 | CosmicPenguin | Which they could easily do in boulder, only we have real rocks |
| 16:48.29 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:50.36 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:52.39 | adyer | MonMotha; so if you're selling the house, where are all the games going to go? rent a barn? |
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| 16:54.44 | MonMotha | adyer: Several friends have expressed interest in housing most of them. One is actually going to be on location at an arcade in Bloomington, IN (hopefully) making money. |
| 16:54.51 | MonMotha | a few are going to end up in a smallish storage unit |
| 16:56.24 | MonMotha | unfortunately, finding a home suitable for both my living and all those games is a pretty time consuming task. Took me about 5 months last time. |
| 16:56.36 | prpplague | MonMotha: got a job to relocate to? |
| 16:56.44 | MonMotha | prpplague: I do indeed |
| 16:56.51 | prpplague | MonMotha: where at? |
| 16:57.04 | MonMotha | Indianapolis north side |
| 16:57.09 | prpplague | ahh |
| 16:57.18 | MonMotha | that's where all my friends and family are, anyway |
| 16:57.29 | prpplague | ahh |
| 16:58.01 | MonMotha | about the only thing I'll really miss from Fort Wayne is the internet access |
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| 17:04.45 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:06.06 | MonMotha | prpplague: I have 30/5 |
| 17:06.11 | MonMotha | that's 30Mbps down, 5Mbps up |
| 17:06.17 | prpplague | MonMotha: ahh |
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| 17:07.57 | MonMotha | prpplague: I know nobody who can come close at home. It's kinda nuts. |
| 17:08.05 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:08.26 | MonMotha | Comcast in some areas advertises 50 or 60Mbps down, but they apparently can't deliver at any time of the day |
| 17:08.55 | MonMotha | I know they couldn't deliver the advertised 16 when I had them. I was lucky to hit 6. |
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| 17:32.17 | prpplague | wmat: robocraft has the zippy stuff as well |
| 17:32.27 | prpplague | wmat: incase you are doing beagleboard dev |
| 17:32.54 | MonMotha | prpplague: know any low power (<10W full bore) devices out there with good storage capability and two ethernet ports? |
| 17:33.01 | MonMotha | I need something to host my email and act as a router |
| 17:33.27 | MonMotha | flash based is fine, but I need at least 8GB capability and reasonable speed (able to saturate 100Mbps from the storage) |
| 17:33.42 | prpplague | MonMotha: the nwg board has two nic's iirc |
| 17:34.29 | MonMotha | not heard of that one? |
| 17:34.41 | prpplague | atmel board AVR32 based |
| 17:34.47 | prpplague | pretty decent board |
| 17:34.58 | MonMotha | their dev board? |
| 17:35.44 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea subsidized iirc |
| 17:35.51 | prpplague | one sec, let me get you some info |
| 17:36.03 | MonMotha | oh, NGW |
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| 17:36.16 | MonMotha | I may be able to get one. I know some Atmel reps. |
| 17:37.06 | MonMotha | hum, only 32MB of RAM may be pushing it |
| 17:37.10 | MonMotha | I was hoping for ~256MB |
| 17:37.27 | prpplague | monkey_: http://www.atmel.com/dyn/products/tools_card.asp?tool_id=4102 |
| 17:38.36 | MonMotha | I'm only hosting email for 1, but some room for a FS cache would be good |
| 17:38.39 | prpplague | MonMotha: oops that was for you - http://www.atmel.com/dyn/products/tools_card.asp?tool_id=4102 |
| 17:38.58 | MonMotha | yeah, I found it |
| 17:39.07 | prpplague | MonMotha: ahh ok |
| 17:39.14 | prpplague | MonMotha: for the price you can;t beat it |
| 17:39.28 | MonMotha | understood |
| 17:39.53 | MonMotha | I could just build a low power PC. YOu can get a PC down to about 25W pretty well these days. |
| 18:03.16 | calculus | MonMotha: http://www.open-rd.org/, not sure what the power rating is |
| 18:20.12 | MonMotha | calculus: looks like only 1 ethernet :( |
| 18:28.05 | wmat | prpplague: thx. I'm only working on SH stuff right now, but should I ever return to other stuff (which may be sooner than later) I'll be sure to order stuff from robotcraft |
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| 18:57.03 | monkey_ | prpplague: are yul saying i should order that? |
| 18:57.36 | prpplague | monkey_: sorry that was for MonMotha , had a bad tab completion |
| 18:58.37 | monkey_ | is that all I am to you? a bad tab completion? |
| 18:58.37 | monkey_ | ;) |
| 18:58.40 | CosmicPenguin | see, now that was funny |
| 18:59.03 | calculus | MonMotha: no, the client model w/ enclosure has two ethernet ports |
| 18:59.15 | MonMotha | calculus: ah. I didn't see that in the manual |
| 18:59.19 | calculus | client vs base |
| 18:59.58 | monkey_ | stop toying with my emotions :( |
| 19:00.40 | MonMotha | calculus: I see that |
| 19:01.01 | calculus | :) |
| 19:01.06 | MonMotha | looks like I could maybe pair that with a laptop hard drive that's normally off except for cache flushes/non-cached accesses to email and be good, or of course a SSD (at higher cost) |
| 19:01.15 | MonMotha | the gigE is nice |
| 19:02.36 | prpplague | monkey_: hehe |
| 19:03.09 | MonMotha | calculus: power supply is spec'd @ 12V/3A, which is 36W |
| 19:03.16 | MonMotha | now, I assume it probably doesn't normally need all that |
| 19:03.46 | calculus | there is also the SD slot |
| 19:04.02 | MonMotha | yes, but I'm not sure a SD card can keep up with my speed desires |
| 19:04.24 | MonMotha | but a ~16GB SDHC might work |
| 19:04.45 | calculus | yeah, I don't think it needs the 36W, I think the video chip is rated at 2W |
| 19:05.02 | MonMotha | the gigE can potentially draw a lot, as can all that USB |
| 19:05.10 | calculus | and the hard drive |
| 19:05.14 | MonMotha | it's probably mostly power for USB host ports and the SATA HDD connector |
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| 19:35.00 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Are the UART signals on the 2x5 connector of Zippy TTL level or RS-232? |
| 19:35.22 | prpplague | rs-232 level |
| 19:36.46 | RobotGuy | OK. the SSC-32 servo controller has RS-232 so I can connect it that way. |
| 20:15.04 | GPSFan | prpplague: ping... which pre-built kerenls are known to work with the zippy? |
| 20:15.34 | prpplague | GPSFan: there are some demo images on the elinux.org wiki, but i think the latest OE angstrom builds have it |
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| 20:16.12 | prpplague | GPSFan: http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBoard_Zippy |
| 20:16.28 | GPSFan | prpplague: hmmm, I keep getting enc28j60 spi4.0: enc28j60 chip not found after the driver loads, |
| 20:16.54 | prpplague | GPSFan: usually that is do to an old uboot |
| 20:17.01 | prpplague | GPSFan: try the image son the wiki page |
| 20:17.15 | GPSFan | prpplague: ok, will do thanks.. |
| 20:17.32 | prpplague | groans |
| 20:17.44 | prpplague | just ordered $2k of parts from digikey |
| 20:18.14 | MonMotha | always fun |
| 20:18.21 | MonMotha | I think I pulled like a $6k digikey order, once |
| 20:19.04 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea, i still need to order about $250 from sparkfun and about $650 from mouser |
| 20:19.35 | MonMotha | I'm getting ready to buy $4000 worth of software. That'll hurt. |
| 20:20.32 | prpplague | MonMotha: oh yea? what app? |
| 20:20.48 | MonMotha | prpplague: Altium Designer |
| 20:21.27 | prpplague | MonMotha: not familiar with that |
| 20:21.31 | prpplague | MonMotha: what is it? |
| 20:22.26 | MonMotha | ECAD design package |
| 20:22.33 | MonMotha | schematic capture, PCB layout, simulation, etc. |
| 20:23.02 | MonMotha | I think it beats the pants off the OrCAD/PADS combination that everybody seems to use and it costs like 1/5th to boot |
| 20:23.20 | GPSFan | prpplague: yep, that works. |
| 20:23.54 | prpplague | MonMotha: so its one package? |
| 20:24.06 | MonMotha | prpplague: yeah. Everything is integrated, and it all talks |
| 20:24.07 | prpplague | MonMotha: for $4k? |
| 20:24.10 | MonMotha | yup |
| 20:24.16 | prpplague | MonMotha: you used it before i guess |
| 20:24.23 | MonMotha | even has FPGA integration (though you do need the FPGA vendor software) |
| 20:24.32 | MonMotha | yeah, I used it at my previous employer, but they owned the software |
| 20:26.24 | prpplague | interesting |
| 20:26.45 | prpplague | i've been using an old copy of pads + orcad |
| 20:26.54 | MonMotha | even has a really fancy 3D MCAD integration feature |
| 20:27.05 | MonMotha | great for showing off your design to clients before it's ready for fabrication |
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| 20:30.37 | prpplague | MonMotha: interesting, you are going to purchase it yourself? |
| 20:31.02 | kergoth | prpplague: out of curiosity, did you ever end up taking a look at that oe inscm tarball? |
| 20:31.31 | kergoth | ugh, who stole my motivation... |
| 20:32.28 | prpplague | kergoth: yea, i did a build on it, but didn't spent alot of time digging. the build went alot more like what i would like OE to behave |
| 20:32.46 | prpplague | kergoth: but i've slept since then, so i don't recall all the specifics |
| 20:32.51 | kergoth | nods |
| 20:33.30 | kergoth | okay, was just curious if that style was less obtrusive to your work, it sounds like it probably is in general |
| 20:33.36 | prpplague | yea |
| 20:37.04 | GPSFan | prpplague: looks like a u-boot issue, the kernel I compiled works ok with the u-boot from the wiki. |
| 20:37.12 | prpplague | GPSFan: ahh |
| 20:37.26 | MonMotha | prpplague: yeah. New place would prefer that I handle that. |
| 20:37.38 | MonMotha | I'm not opposed. I've been wanting to have some real ECAD software for myself, anyway |
| 20:37.54 | prpplague | MonMotha: well, keep me informed of your experience, i might want to move that way myself |
| 20:38.08 | prpplague | MonMotha: with regards to the software |
| 20:38.14 | MonMotha | ok |
| 20:38.27 | MonMotha | I've used it extensively in the past and was absolutely in awe as to how nice it was compared to other offerings. |
| 20:38.37 | MonMotha | It does run on Windows, though |
| 20:43.02 | MonMotha | prpplague: there's a 30 day trial if you want to play with it. The trial is unrestricted aside from a EULA saying no commercial development. |
| 20:43.55 | prpplague | MonMotha: oh really? |
| 20:43.59 | prpplague | MonMotha: interesting |
| 20:44.38 | MonMotha | It's big, but it doesn't take over like some big apps do. You will need a fairly beefy system to run it, especially in the video card department. |
| 20:44.58 | MonMotha | Q9400 w/ at least 2GB RAM and a HD4780 are recommended |
| 20:45.08 | MonMotha | er HD4870 |
| 20:45.47 | MonMotha | unfortunately they don't have a 64-bit build and apparently have no plans to make one according to their sales rep, but I'm not sure how informed as to that sort of thing their sales people are |
| 20:46.09 | MonMotha | a 64-bit build would be nice since I actually ran it out of memory (2GB per-process limit) a few times, though I think they've plugged some leaks |
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| 20:57.44 | GPSFan | prpplague: are there any specific u-boot patches for the zippy? |
| 20:58.39 | prpplague | GPSFan: no, the changes that were done to the uboot source were a general patch with regards to a number of changes |
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| 21:01.48 | GPSFan | prpplague: hmm, maybe I screwed up which u-boot was loaded, the sources I built u-boot from are 9-09-2009. the u-boot from the wiki signs on as: U-Boot 2009.06-rc2 (Sep 09 2009 - 13:12:40) which should be the same. I'll poke at it some more.... ;>) |
| 21:02.26 | prpplague | GPSFan: that should be correct |
| 21:02.34 | prpplague | checks |
| 21:06.37 | prpplague | finally - http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569770,00.html?test=latestnews |
| 21:06.55 | prpplague | instead of all this pink stuff for breast cancer someone is standing up for prostate cancer |
| 21:07.11 | prpplague | which kills 4 times as many men as breast cancer kills women |
| 21:08.21 | GPSFan | prpplague: nope my u-boot definately makes the zippy not work, now to figure out why. |
| 21:08.41 | prpplague | GPSFan: i'm using the uboot directly from the OE angstrom build |
| 21:08.45 | prpplague | GPSFan: let me double check it |
| 21:10.39 | prpplague | GPSFan: hmm, there does appear to be a pinmux patch |
| 21:10.54 | GPSFan | prpplague: I grabbed the sources from: http://www.denx.de/wiki/U-Boot/WebHome and followed the wiki instructions. built fine. |
| 21:10.56 | GPSFan | ah |
| 21:11.08 | prpplague | GPSFan: check the OE build |
| 21:11.15 | prpplague | GPSFan: they have several patches |
| 21:11.22 | GPSFan | doesn't use OE |
| 21:11.38 | prpplague | GPSFan: it really makes things easy on the beagle |
| 21:12.10 | GPSFan | yeah, but untill I spring for a new 4 core box, it takes too bloody long to build. |
| 21:12.23 | prpplague | GPSFan: indeed |
| 21:12.43 | prpplague | GPSFan: you can grab the patches from the oe web |
| 21:13.55 | GPSFan | prpplague: link please, I did that with the kernel patches and things worked ok, just finding the right place to look in the OE wilderness in daunting. |
| 21:14.48 | GPSFan | prpplague: btw what do you use as a dev box? cpu, ram, etc? |
| 21:14.50 | RobotGuy | It took me a few times to realize that nuking OE's tmp directory isn't good to do. I kept having to rebuild the whole toolchain. I still think it's bad to keep toolchains within the build structure, but that's just me. :) |
| 21:15.43 | RobotGuy | OE is symlink friendly though, so I just moved a few dirs elsewhere and symlinked them inside tmp. :) |
| 21:16.05 | prpplague | GPSFan: http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/u-boot/u-boot-git?id=8ded6c1580b907494b0ea95e36d91ca8d64122e8 |
| 21:16.42 | GPSFan | prpplague: thanks!!! |
| 21:17.10 | prpplague | GPSFan: this is what i use - http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9541766&type=product&id=1218121455435 |
| 21:17.14 | prpplague | GPSFan: i have three of them |
| 21:17.38 | prpplague | GPSFan: you can get a package deal with a lcd and a printer with it |
| 21:19.35 | GPSFan | prpplague: thanks, I'm definately in the market for a new build box. |
| 21:23.47 | GPSFan | ah, the pinmux patch might just effect the zippy operation. |
| 21:25.11 | prpplague | GPSFan: feel free to update the zippy wiki page ........ hint hint hint |
| 21:26.08 | GPSFan | prpplague: yeah, I will if I get it all working, just got some time to fiddle with stuff today, it's snowing... |
| 21:26.26 | prpplague | GPSFan: ahh dandy |
| 21:26.28 | GPSFan | prpplague: did you use the other patches in /beagleboard as well |
| 21:26.33 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea |
| 21:26.47 | prpplague | GPSFan: those are more generic for OE builds iirc |
| 21:28.05 | GPSFan | prpplague: is that going to make it into mainline u-boot? |
| 21:28.25 | prpplague | GPSFan: the pinmux patch? |
| 21:28.32 | GPSFan | yeah |
| 21:29.00 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea it is my understanding that it is working it's way through the u-boot labyrnith |
| 21:29.38 | GPSFan | goes off to look at new pc's again... |
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| 23:48.37 | GPSFan | prpplague: hey, you gonna be about later? I've got some questions |
| 23:48.56 | prpplague | GPSFan: i'll be around for about another hour or so |
| 23:50.15 | GPSFan | it's dinner time, maybe I'll catch you tomorrow, it's about u-boot, the patches you pointed me to and the uboot sources. I need to point you at a file or two and ask some specific questions. |
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| 23:51.57 | GPSFan | prpplague: cul ^^^ |
| 23:52.46 | prpplague | GPSFan: okie dokie |
