| 00:19.46 | prpplague | wonders how cosmic's halloween stuff is going |
| 00:22.00 | Mirell | Eh? |
| 00:29.15 | chouimat | bangs head on desk |
| 00:29.31 | Mirell | Poor desk. |
| 00:30.04 | chouimat | Mirell: 2" of MDF so it's ok |
| 00:32.03 | chouimat | Mirell: I'm currently playing with kicad ... |
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| 00:42.57 | Dexter | For a newcomer in embedded linux, with is easier to use OpenEmbedded or Buildroot? |
| 00:44.00 | kergoth | buildroot, i'd say, just because OE has more to it, it's more complex. they're good for different things |
| 00:44.59 | kergoth | buildroot is great for board bringup, or throwing together a quick rootfs for your device, but OE makes long term maintenance easier, and better supports devices with rw filesystems and the ability to install packages at runtime |
| 00:45.21 | kergoth | course, feel free to take this with a grain of salt, since i'm hardly unbiased :) |
| 00:46.34 | Dexter | Well I tried buildroot with some packages selected (mainly samba) and it faild with some compiler error. Either this was a config issue from my part or somekind of bug... |
| 00:47.14 | kergoth | aye, sounds like it |
| 00:47.22 | kergoth | i'd suggest trying both out, see what fits you best. |
| 00:50.05 | Dexter | I'm trying to start a open-source project. A distro similar to FreeNAS but build on top of Linux. And of a collaboration stand point wouldn't OE be a better chooise? |
| 00:50.57 | kergoth | most likely, due to the large number of people all working in the same repository of metadata |
| 00:51.10 | kergoth | that was one of the biggest goals we had in mind when we started off |
| 00:52.23 | Dexter | I think also OE has more documentation than buildroot, but I could be wrong. |
| 00:53.37 | kergoth | it does, in the form of the user's manual and other docs from various people that use the project, but then, buildroot is simpler, so probably requires less documentation too :) |
| 00:55.22 | Dexter | but since more people use OE if I run into any trubble it's more likly that it will be fixed fast, isn't it? |
| 00:55.46 | kergoth | probably, yeah |
| 00:55.52 | kergoth | #oe has a lot of folks in it |
| 00:56.27 | Dexter | thanks for the recomedation about #oe |
| 00:56.38 | kergoth | np |
| 00:57.23 | Dexter | Since it's a open-source project, where can I try to find someone with more experence willing to help me out? |
| 00:57.59 | kergoth | there's a buildroot mailing list, and there are multiple openembedded mailing lists |
| 00:58.14 | kergoth | this is a good channel for buildroot questions, though i'm not sure if there's a better one |
| 00:58.35 | kergoth | #oe is best for OE questions, folks in here tend to get annoyed with a lot of oe discussion here :) |
| 00:59.03 | chouimat | kergoth: hehehe |
| 00:59.23 | Dexter | so that your saying is that this more of a buildroot channel |
| 00:59.26 | Dexter | ? |
| 00:59.37 | kergoth | this is a general embedded development channel |
| 00:59.56 | Dexter | but folks in here don't like OE or what? |
| 01:00.14 | kergoth | it's not that, just that there is a more appropriate place for it |
| 01:00.24 | kergoth | if there's a more appropriate place, in general on irc, thats best |
| 01:00.32 | kergoth | there are a variety of people in here |
| 01:03.34 | Dexter | Well if anyone is intressed check out https://launchpad.net/squashnas FreeNAS is great but it's build on top of FreeBSD with kind of sucks on speed (especially with samba :( ) |
| 01:03.59 | likewise | dexter: why would freebsd suck on samba? |
| 01:04.20 | likewise | Dexter: I mean, FreeBSD is famed for it's TCP/IP stack, why would samba suck on it? |
| 01:05.04 | Dexter | Samba on FreeBSD is slower then Samba on Linux |
| 01:05.15 | likewise | hmm, didn't know that |
| 01:05.54 | likewise | anyway, buildroot might be easier in the start, OE will be easier in the end. |
| 01:06.16 | likewise | OE just has a steeper learner curve because it does more. |
| 01:06.30 | Dexter | Well that's atleast what I found out after looking into why me FreeNAS setup was so slow on samba... |
| 01:09.09 | Dexter | I think I'm gonne go with OE - it might take some time to learn but I think it will pay of in the end |
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| 01:17.28 | kergoth | 's been experimenting, attempting to reduce the overhead involved in using bitbake/OE in the use cases where buildroot is typically used |
| 01:17.59 | likewise | Dexter: to be honest, I don't believe FreeBSD being a slower samba server than Linux. (and of course, there are always benchmarks showing one or the other being faster). |
| 01:19.11 | likewise | kergoth: the parsing takes ages, and there's no menu. And build errors are weird in OE. That's the top-3 negatives I experienced in getting devs to like OE. |
| 01:19.40 | kergoth | thanks, that helps. |
| 01:19.47 | kergoth | bitbake trunk/master branch will help us get the UIs |
| 01:19.57 | kergoth | it splits the backend from the ui, gives us an xml/rpc controlled build daemon |
| 01:20.51 | kergoth | you might find http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/112715/Documents/OpenEmbedded%20Tasks.html/index.html amusing |
| 01:21.00 | kergoth | (old copy, i've added more since then) |
| 01:21.06 | Dexter | Well acoring to http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-performance/2006-September/002168.html samba is slower on *BSD |
| 01:21.11 | likewise | kergoth: the XML/RPC idea was really good. |
| 01:21.14 | kergoth | also http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/112715/Documents/OpenEmbedded%20Usability%20Concerns.html/index.html is some random musings |
| 01:21.25 | likewise | Dexter: Yeah and http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/questions/2008-10/msg01209.html says otherwise. |
| 01:21.38 | likewise | Dexter: as I said, benchmarks in both directions. |
| 01:23.19 | Dexter | I tried FreeBSD at home against a windows box and the samba speed sucked when I compared it to a linux distro |
| 01:24.23 | Dexter | the FreeNAS forums have many topics about speed issues but no one has posted any solution |
| 01:25.02 | chouimat | sorry for pasting this but it's amazing http://www.break.com/index/nerdy-kid-shreds-on-the-accordion.html |
| 01:27.34 | Dexter | My gigabit network card was even slower on FreeBSD (tested with iperf) |
| 01:28.03 | Dexter | though it might have something to do with the fact that it's a realtek one |
| 01:31.28 | roxfan | chouimat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlZy-aKn8XE |
| 01:32.02 | chouimat | roxfan: thanks |
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| 02:17.11 | monkey_ | ello? |
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| 02:17.30 | kergoth | yes? |
| 02:17.45 | monkey_ | well howdy! |
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| 16:25.14 | chouimat | morning |
| 16:35.27 | Mirell | Mornin' |
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| 17:42.54 | monkey_ | Mirell: you there? |
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| 19:01.57 | Mirell | monkey_: Now I am |
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| 19:46.03 | monkey_ | hey Mirell |
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| 21:29.38 | SpeedEvil | A somewhat doubtfull request - anyone know of better (small, low-power, cheap) mp3/... decoders than the vs1002* sort? I'm wondering about stuff to pair with a lowish power micro that I can feed a few dozen K of mp3, and then go back to sleep for a moment. |
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| 21:36.13 | cizra | SpeedEvil: Couldn't this be done in software? |
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| 21:38.51 | haljaq | would you guys classify designing embedded consumer devices up to large systems (ex. maglev train) as electrical engineering? |
| 21:39.07 | SpeedEvil | cizra: no. |
| 21:39.18 | SpeedEvil | cizra: power consumption is prohibitive. |
| 21:39.23 | SpeedEvil | haljaq: yes. |
| 21:39.23 | cizra | Ohh. |
| 21:40.05 | haljaq | SpeedEvil: ok, how about dealing with FPGAs or ASIC design? would that be computer engineering? |
| 21:40.12 | haljaq | or still electrical |
| 21:40.56 | SpeedEvil | haljaq: It really depends. FPGA or ASIC design is really a continuum from electronic design. |
| 21:41.30 | haljaq | SpeedEvil: alrright, thanks |
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| 21:42.24 | SpeedEvil | There are more 'pure' computational tasks that you can do with them that have limited I/O demands that are more |
| 21:42.26 | SpeedEvil | oh well |
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| 23:37.01 | SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260496817959&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123 - seller has 800 pxa270s in a 0.5mm bga package |
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