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04:18.13MirellWoo, House passes Health Care bill.
05:09.31monkey_Mirell: ?
05:11.55Mirellmonkey_: The House passed the Health Care bill.
05:12.00monkey_sweet jesus!
05:12.03MirellI...uh...don't know what's unclear about that.
05:13.13monkey_lol, what?
05:13.14monkey_ha
05:16.28monkey_what are you up to
05:17.28MirellNot much, I think I may be getting migraines...
05:18.06monkey_that sucks
05:24.59MirellAyup
05:28.22monkey_hey Mirell http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs149.snc1/5535_1204448880170_1497063847_30585715_274323_n.jpg
05:34.18MirellYep
05:54.01nullpuppyyeah, the bill is promising. not perfect, but definitely a step in the right direction. now we just gotta hope it passes in the senate.
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06:37.09monkey_landley in the house!
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07:11.50monkey_anybody  here
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07:32.38landleyHi monkey_.  What's up?
07:32.45landleyWasn't paying attention... :)
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07:36.04monkey_haha
07:36.06monkey_hows it going
07:36.14monkey_i'm trying to do homework, but being very unsuccessful
07:36.26monkey_i have to do assembly
07:36.33monkey_but i need to figure out how to use openocd first ;)
07:36.43nullpuppyhehe. whatcha working on?
07:37.02monkey_homework
07:37.18monkey_i have to learn assembly , i don't think i'm writing anything from scratch, it's mostly dissassembling something and making it more effecient
07:37.33nullpuppyah, cool. what platform?
07:38.06monkey_arm7-tdmi-s
07:38.22nullpuppycool. good luck :)
07:39.03monkey_lol, i'll need it to finish it tomorrow
07:39.09monkey_are you familiar with openocd?
07:39.12nullpuppywhere are you going to school btw?
07:39.48monkey_uw
07:39.58monkey_university of washington
07:40.06nullpuppya little bit. been fighting with getting it to work with a cortex-a8
07:40.12nullpuppyah, nice.
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07:40.30nullpuppyyou're across teh water from me ;) I'm going to digipen.
07:40.36monkey_i'm just doing a continuing education certificate program for embedded programming
07:40.54monkey_oh sweet
07:40.56nullpuppycool.
07:41.44nullpuppyi'm attempting to get my b.s. in comp. eng.
07:41.45monkey_sweet.
07:42.21monkey_do I use openocd to flash to the device?
07:42.50nullpuppyi haven't yet. I've been flashing via SD card and serial.
07:43.27nullpuppyi've seen stuff referencing using gdb to flash via openocd which is kinda neat, but i'm pretty sure there are other ways of doing it too.
07:43.36monkey_yeah
07:43.46monkey_i'm the one guy in class using linux, which obviously isn't supported
07:44.29nullpuppyyeah. openocd is a bit easier to build in linux though. (especially if using an ftdi based jtag controller).
07:44.47nullpuppyspeaking of jtag, i really want to build an opensource jtag device at some point.
07:44.58monkey_i'm using the openocd-usb-thingie from olimex
07:45.00MonMothathere are plenty out there; they just suck
07:45.04MonMothathey're all the FTDI based stuff.
07:45.09MonMothaworks, but slow and unreliable
07:45.20nullpuppyyeah.
07:45.40MonMothaI've been tempted to build a nice FPGA device that I can use as a logic analyzer, JTAG pod, etc.
07:45.53nullpuppyyeah, that'd be nice.
07:47.51monkey_i want an oscilloscope
07:48.25MonMothafor scopes, I find that I prefer a real scope to a PC based device
07:48.32nullpuppyyeah.
07:48.35MonMothabut PC based is great for logic analyzers
07:48.42nullpuppyi really want a real scope.
07:49.49nullpuppygot access to some pretty decent ones at school though.
07:50.04MonMothaI need to spec one out for work
07:50.13MonMothait's tough
07:50.56nullpuppyyeah. I'd be happy with a low-end scope for now, but even then i'm looking at $300 to $600 on the low end just for something adequate.
07:51.15MonMothawell, you can get decent analog 2 channel ones used for ~$300-500
07:51.25MonMothathey're by no means low end, but they're not the fancy digital stuff
07:51.45nullpuppywell, yeah, true. i should have said digital ;)
07:51.57nullpuppyi suppose i could get by with an analog, but.. *shrugs*
07:52.03MonMothawell, storage is nice
07:52.09nullpuppyyeah
07:52.39nullpuppyhttp://www.tek.com/products/oscilloscopes/tps2000/
07:52.47MonMothayup, TPS2000 series isn't bad
07:52.58nullpuppynot sure thats the exact model, but we've got a few similar to that at school.
07:53.39nullpuppyhmm. might be the TDS2000 series, actually. that looks closer.
07:53.40MonMothatek has a neat option out now where all 4 channels are isolated
07:53.47MonMothaTDS2000 is more common
07:53.59nullpuppy*nods*
07:54.08MonMothaI don't like the screen on the TPS2000.  It has ZERO viewing angle.
07:54.32nullpuppywe've got a pc-based one as well, don't remember if its a tek or someone else though.
07:54.41nullpuppyyeah? hmm.
07:55.20MonMothaI also want one with the probe power option so I can get a FET probe or diff probe some time and not have to mess with batteries or wall warts
07:56.02MonMothathe software on some of the Tek stuff is kinda crippled, too
07:56.05nullpuppythat'd be neat. how's that work?
07:56.09MonMothasome of the Agilent stuff is nice, though
07:56.28MonMothathe probe power is done by adding a bunch of contacts around the BNC connector.  It also lets the scope detect what kind of probe you have hooked up.
07:57.13MonMothaI have used a TDS3054.  It was good.
07:57.19nullpuppyhuh, cool.
07:57.58MonMothayeah, well, it's a $10k scope
07:58.05nullpuppyi think agilent is who makes the pc o-scope and logic analyzer we have.
07:58.08nullpuppyhaha, yeah.
07:59.24MonMothaI've not used the DPO/MSO2000 series, but it looks good
07:59.49monkey_+
08:00.15MonMothathey have a lot of memory in them, which means you have a large storage buffer
08:00.25MonMothathe screen is also widescreen, which might actually be beneficial on a scope
08:00.55nullpuppyyeah, i can see that.
08:01.18nullpuppyat least for a channel or two. more than a couple channels, i can see it being less beneficial.
08:01.52MonMothawell, you only get 4 analog channels, and I find that I commonly superimpose one on top of another (compare input to output)
08:01.59MonMothabenefit of the color screen
08:02.03nullpuppy*nods*
08:02.11monkey_*concurs*
08:03.03MonMothanow, if you get the model with the 16 digital inputs, the widescreen might get a bit limiting vertically
08:03.06MonMothatough to say
08:03.21monkey_lets see what your mom thinks ;)
08:03.26nullpuppyyeah.
08:03.38MonMothaI also wonder what res it is
08:03.56MonMotha800x480 or better?  Not bad.  somethingx240?  Not good.
08:04.06nullpuppyyeah.
08:04.41RedhatterYou'd think with the availability of widescreen LCDs for netbooks that do upwards of 800x480, they'd be at least that res.
08:04.42nullpuppyi wonder at times why smaller screens haven't gotten a push in resolution like other screens have.
08:04.57nullpuppyyeah.
08:05.08RedhatterI think that's why they've gone widescreen ... LCD manufacturers are pushing them out by their thousands, thus cheap unit price.
08:05.43nullpuppythats probably part of it, but I'm also seeing better res on smaller monitors become less absurdly expensive.
08:05.53Redhatter1280xwhatever would be a flea circus on my laptop
08:06.03Redhatter1024x600 is bad enough
08:06.23nullpuppyi mean, i can get 1680x1050 on a 19" for a resonable cost now, why can't i get better than 1024x600 on a 10" and wtf aspect is that supposed to be? :)
08:06.32nullpuppyyeah.
08:06.41MonMothanope, it's 480x234
08:06.43MonMothablah
08:06.49nullpuppy:/
08:06.51RedhatterEwww
08:06.56MonMothayeah.  pathetic
08:07.07MonMothait's a 7" screen, too
08:07.19Redhatterseems to recall the Tektronix scopes at uni were 400x300 or something similar.
08:07.21MonMothapanels are readily available in that size at 1024x600
08:07.28nullpuppyyeah
08:08.17MonMothaI never liked the LCD displays on scopes
08:08.20MonMothagive me a CRT any day
08:09.16MonMothathe MSO/DPO3000 series has a 9" WVGA screen
08:09.17Redhatter's scope is CRT
08:09.24MonMothaof course, it's also a fricking $10k scope at the high end
08:09.47RedhatterThat said... I'd hate to see a laptop with a CRT screen
08:09.54MonMothawell, no, for portables, LCDs are the way to go
08:10.07MonMothaanyway, I think I'm going to get back to my game
08:10.11MonMothagogo SimCity 4
08:10.24nullpuppyhehe
08:10.34RedhatterLCDs are everywhere these days
08:10.36nullpuppyhave fun.
08:10.53nullpuppyi'm going to try and focus on this A.I. assignment.
08:11.08RedhatterEven my new radio has a dot-matrix LCD on it... small 35mm x 25mm one
08:11.51nullpuppyyeah.
08:20.05SpeedEvilThere is LCD, and there is good LCD.
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