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| 02:41.45 | monkey_ | elolo? |
| 02:44.28 | Mirell | 'lo monkey_ |
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| 02:45.54 | monkey_ | sup! |
| 02:45.57 | monkey_ | do you know assembly? |
| 02:53.03 | Mirell | monkey_: Not really |
| 03:06.46 | monkey_ | can I specify an usb port with openocd? |
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| 03:47.06 | Mirell | Mmm, new job starts tomorrow |
| 03:48.35 | monkey_ | what will you be doing? |
| 03:59.26 | Mirell | Not entirely sure yet. |
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| 14:19.14 | chouimat_ | morning |
| 14:27.09 | likewise | gm chouimat_ |
| 14:30.16 | Mirell | Aaaand first day of work |
| 14:31.11 | Mirell | prpplague_afk: Apparently they have a Keurig here too |
| 14:34.20 | chouimat_ | Mirell: fun |
| 14:37.20 | prpplague | Mirell: office keurig ? |
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| 14:40.14 | monkey_ | hey prpplague |
| 14:40.23 | prpplague | monkey_: greetings |
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| 14:44.15 | chouimat_ | hi prpplague |
| 14:44.25 | prpplague | chouimat_: greetings |
| 14:44.33 | prpplague | chouimat_: hows ottawa these days? |
| 14:44.41 | prpplague | hasn't been there in a long time |
| 14:45.15 | chouimat_ | prpplague: weather is nice ... jobs market a little bit slow, except if you're a php/.net/java code monkey |
| 14:46.07 | prpplague | ahh |
| 14:47.01 | chouimat_ | brb I need some coffee |
| 14:47.58 | prpplague | me too |
| 14:48.29 | prpplague | looks around for a cute secretary to bring him coffee and finding none goes and gets the coffee himself |
| 14:49.45 | Mirell | prpplague: Yep, office Keurig |
| 14:50.30 | Mirell | prpplague: And they have Coffee People's Jet Fuel, life is good |
| 14:50.58 | prpplague | "Coffee People's Jet Fuel" ?? |
| 14:51.23 | Mirell | http://www.coffeepeople.com/p-109-k-cup-jet-fuel.aspx |
| 14:52.12 | chouimat_ | like the name |
| 14:53.17 | prpplague | looks |
| 15:05.24 | Mirell | It's quite good |
| 15:11.15 | prpplague | Mirell: never heard of that brand before |
| 15:12.52 | Mirell | prpplague: Also enjoy the Donut Shop flavor |
| 15:14.14 | prpplague | hands Mirell a keurig k-cup of "Hemlock - it's not just for greeks" |
| 15:14.37 | Mirell | o.O |
| 15:14.46 | Mirell | Yay, I'll be getting a Mac |
| 15:15.03 | kergoth | yay |
| 15:15.32 | prpplague | looks at gold and silver prices and says "Yay!" |
| 15:17.17 | chouimat_ | looks at his todo list and says "Sh*t" |
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| 15:21.40 | Mirell | looks at his todo list...nada. |
| 15:24.30 | SpeedEvil | can't find his todo list. |
| 15:24.36 | SpeedEvil | should probably tidy up. |
| 15:30.58 | chouimat | SpeedEvil: it's basicly what I have to do ... started last Thursday, should be done by tomorrow |
| 15:32.10 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
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| 15:37.18 | monkey_ | should probably make a todo list, but has already forgotten what to write down |
| 15:39.10 | SpeedEvil | Learn more about MRI, and spin, fix roof, pick cabbages, get to -10Kg on diet, sort out garage, get stuff for sale on ebay designed and built, ... |
| 15:40.46 | SpeedEvil | Fun. |
| 15:43.38 | chouimat | :) |
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| 16:03.54 | prpplague | MonMotha: ping |
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| 16:12.22 | prpplague | ~seen t0mw |
| 16:12.24 | purl | t0mw <n=Tom@24.238.37.43.res-cmts.tv13.ptd.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #edev, 9d 23h 2m 6s ago, saying: 'heh, and get a new jar of paste. The jar I have is about 5 years old and didn't work all that well on that most recent board I did.'. |
| 16:14.15 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 16:14.33 | prpplague | tries to make up his mind about which schematic and layout application to use |
| 16:17.11 | solar | is back from the RTP area. hi/bye off to work. |
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| 16:34.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: greetings |
| 16:37.37 | CosmicPenguin | howdy |
| 16:43.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: how goes it? |
| 16:43.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: don't get to hear you much on the channel since you left AMD |
| 16:46.11 | rektide | i have to say |
| 16:46.13 | CosmicPenguin | I say things |
| 16:46.21 | rektide | i'm very tempted by Zii's new DMS-08 unit |
| 16:46.24 | CosmicPenguin | You are the one that is more aloof, mr serious business man |
| 16:47.08 | rektide | simultaneous 720p encode/deocde, hdmi out, 2x i2s |
| 16:50.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh? do i give off that impression? |
| 16:52.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, might be that i just have alot more responsibilities now |
| 16:55.16 | kergoth | Anyone know how you'd go about adding ext2 extended attributes from a cross environment, to the filesystem you'll be putting on your device? |
| 16:56.10 | prpplague | kergoth: sorry not i |
| 16:56.43 | kergoth | guess i'll ask around MV, our old products supported selinux |
| 16:57.24 | chouimat | kergoth: can't remember ... |
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| 17:39.24 | Mirell | Sigh. |
| 17:39.29 | Mirell | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.35 | prpplague | Mirell: doh |
| 17:39.44 | Mirell | "THANKS FOR MENTIONING THIS WHEN YOU ASKED WHETHER I WANTED A DESKTOP OR LAPTOP" |
| 17:41.26 | chouimat | ouch |
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| 17:56.34 | Mirell | Oh well... |
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| 17:58.47 | CosmicPenguin | Remember, stock options... :) |
| 18:01.19 | Mirell | Stock grants. |
| 18:01.46 | Mirell | Yah, but the job seems to be merging branches, doing builds, and developing a test harness. |
| 18:06.20 | CosmicPenguin | Thats an important task |
| 18:06.30 | Mirell | True. |
| 18:06.31 | kergoth | indeed |
| 18:06.33 | Mirell | But insanely boring. |
| 18:06.43 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, we all want to be inventing the future |
| 18:06.59 | CosmicPenguin | but evil process, bad build and no test harness is worse |
| 18:07.20 | Mirell | The other developer test engineer was using nano to do a three-way diff. |
| 18:07.22 | CosmicPenguin | Some day you won't be the build monkey and you want to leave the future monkeys something sane |
| 18:07.25 | kergoth | i don't mind that sort of thing... if they let me improve the build tools |
| 18:07.34 | kergoth | erk, developers using nano? that's just not right :) |
| 18:07.39 | Mirell | Yah. |
| 18:07.47 | Mirell | And he was trying to do a "svn up" |
| 18:08.04 | Mirell | And kept having it die, because he had an uncommitted file with the same name as a revision was trying to add. |
| 18:08.07 | Mirell | So he redid "svn up" |
| 18:08.10 | Mirell | And it failed again |
| 18:08.15 | Mirell | And he did it again. |
| 18:08.35 | kergoth | yikes |
| 18:08.53 | kergoth | you'd think he'd at least make a random change before doing it again, rather than trying again and expecting a different result |
| 18:08.56 | CosmicPenguin | In the industry as a whole, the amount of build clue is so low |
| 18:08.58 | CosmicPenguin | its incredible |
| 18:09.03 | kergoth | not that thats particularly useful either, but common enough when people don't understand whats going on |
| 18:09.06 | kergoth | heh, agree |
| 18:09.07 | kergoth | d |
| 18:09.12 | Mirell | So at least the bar is low. |
| 18:09.24 | CosmicPenguin | really low |
| 18:10.17 | kergoth | still needs to figure out how to implement a better BOM for OE images |
| 18:11.03 | kergoth | Mirell: that a contract or a full time position, out of curiosity? |
| 18:11.11 | Mirell | kergoth: Full-time. |
| 18:11.50 | kergoth | ah.. oh well.. can always just stick it out till you find something better |
| 18:11.54 | kergoth | kicks the economy |
| 18:11.54 | Mirell | Yep. |
| 18:11.59 | Mirell | That's what I figure. |
| 18:12.14 | Mirell | Stay a year or so, for resume fodder, and also, yay money to pay rent. |
| 18:12.18 | CosmicPenguin | There is a reason why most code monkeys are also build monkeys -> too little clue |
| 18:12.18 | Mirell | And see what else is there. |
| 18:12.38 | Mirell | Sigh, I want a job where I don't immediately find out I want out the first day. |
| 18:12.55 | kergoth | i really need to figure out what direction i want to head in, career wise. I want to avoid kernel work, but that eliminates a huge chunk of the embedded space.. maybe i should go into the desktop space |
| 18:13.08 | kergoth | Mirell: good luck with that :) |
| 18:13.10 | CosmicPenguin | Wanna live in Boulder, Colorado? |
| 18:13.21 | Mirell | kergoth: Same here. I really have no idea what exactly I want to do, but I at least know the stuff I don't want to do. |
| 18:13.25 | Mirell | CosmicPenguin: Heh, no. |
| 18:13.44 | kergoth | Mirell: heh, thats a start.. whittle it down.. |
| 18:13.50 | CosmicPenguin | what is wrong with boulder? We have beer, lots and lots of beer |
| 18:14.23 | kergoth | I'm actually pretty happy with this job for the most part. I get paid to hack on a project I started, hard to argue with that.. though the pay is lower than it should be |
| 18:14.41 | kergoth | just because i was a moron and named a salary when interviewing :) |
| 18:15.02 | kergoth | haven't been to boulder, just denver, pueblo, colorado springs |
| 18:15.10 | kergoth | CO is pretty nice, i love the mountains on the horizon |
| 18:15.28 | kergoth | (note: never go to pueblo, what a hole that place is) |
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| 18:15.44 | Mirell | kergoth: That also pisses me off, because I'm fairly certain I low-balled the salary |
| 18:16.06 | kergoth | what sucks is, its really hard to fix it later |
| 18:16.15 | kergoth | the usual merit increases are way smaller than you could have gotten off the get go |
| 18:16.53 | Mirell | ...yeah |
| 18:16.56 | kergoth | thats if the company is doing merit increases at all right now, of course.. |
| 18:17.33 | Mirell | It's a start-up, so dunno. |
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| 18:19.18 | CosmicPenguin | I can't believe how hard it is to sell Boulder as a place to work - it not like I'm recruiting to Utah or something like that |
| 18:19.54 | Mirell | CosmicPenguin: If I have to relocate, I'd want NYC or San Francisco or something |
| 18:19.59 | Mirell | CosmicPenguin: Otherwise, I like Austin. |
| 18:20.00 | kergoth | i like the weather in CO, pretty temperate, not on either extreme |
| 18:20.09 | CosmicPenguin | Mirell: just for my own education, why? |
| 18:20.11 | kergoth | is thinking about moving out east, though, NC or so, not certain |
| 18:20.23 | kergoth | recalls raleigh being pretty nice |
| 18:20.48 | Mirell | CosmicPenguin: I like NYC in the, "It is huge and has everything", SF area in the nice weather, ocean stuff, bunch of tech things. |
| 18:21.17 | CosmicPenguin | Ah, to be young again |
| 18:21.20 | CosmicPenguin | Not that I'm old |
| 18:21.44 | Mirell | Heh |
| 18:22.07 | kergoth | if it wasn't for my girlfriend wanting to live in the same country as her family, I'd consider trying to move out of the US |
| 18:22.08 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:23.06 | Mirell | And now I suppose I'll go find lunch for myself... |
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| 18:36.34 | prpplague | kergoth: i did the "outside of the US" thing |
| 18:36.49 | prpplague | kergoth: not bad, but you have to be prepared for the differences |
| 18:37.39 | prpplague | kergoth: i still keep about 90% of my wealth outside the US, and probably will go back to barbados sometime in the near future |
| 18:37.44 | kergoth | hmm, makes sense |
| 18:38.31 | prpplague | kergoth: my main problem was not doing enough research about where i was going before hand |
| 18:41.35 | kergoth | I've often thought about visiting places for months rather than vacationing for a week, to get a better feel for what a place is really like. i wonder if that would be a good way to go, if you could find income, to decide whether you want to go somewhere permanently |
| 18:42.09 | prpplague | yea, thats the way i'd go about it now that i know |
| 18:42.41 | kergoth | since tourists only see what people want them to see, generally :) |
| 18:43.29 | prpplague | exactly |
| 18:44.28 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 18:44.34 | prpplague | is stressed today |
| 18:44.47 | kergoth | :( |
| 18:45.27 | prpplague | i'm about 5-7 days behind on this project and i've not receive a payment from the customer for the last invoice |
| 18:45.34 | kergoth | ugh |
| 18:45.36 | kergoth | that sucks |
| 18:46.08 | prpplague | i'm hope'n it will show up in todays mail |
| 18:47.22 | kergoth | my dad owes me .. $13k now |
| 18:47.25 | kergoth | shakes head |
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| 19:27.36 | Mirell | This temporary desktop is next to unusable. |
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| 20:18.08 | monkey_ | Mirell: why? |
| 20:18.36 | Mirell | monkey_: It's a Pentium 4 with 1GB of RAM |
| 20:31.36 | calculus | ooo, same as my work desktop |
| 20:31.36 | calculus | just checked, mine is slightly better, 2GB of RAM |
| 20:38.25 | Mirell | Aaaand...coworker ignoring IMs now. |
| 20:45.43 | Mirell | Great, I can't even temporarily check out the svn on this temporary desktop because I don't have enough disk space |
| 20:49.10 | chouimat | Mirell: ouch |
| 20:57.13 | wmat | prpplague: not sure of your invoice to payment turnaround time but if it makes you feel any better, mine has typically been 45 days |
| 21:01.49 | prpplague | wmat: mine terms are 15 business days or i stop work on the project, so generally i get paid on time |
| 21:02.10 | wmat | ah, I guess that's prudent |
| 21:02.45 | wmat | with the big companies, they typically dictate payment schedule, i.e. "30-45 days post invoice receipt" |
| 21:02.52 | wmat | it's annoying |
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| 21:22.03 | Mirell | Hmm... |
| 21:22.12 | Mirell | So what's a good test harness thingie to look at to begin with. |
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| 21:29.03 | prpplague | Mirell: CosmicPenguin did a bit of testing like that when he was at AMD iirc, he might be a good source of info |
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| 21:30.25 | Mirell | whacks CosmicPenguin |
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| 22:03.13 | calculus | solar: landley was looking for you while you were gone |
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| 22:04.14 | calculus | Mirell: for java we use junit and then hudson for continuous integration (previously cruisecontrol was used) |
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| 22:14.56 | solar | calculus: yeah. he appeared to of taken an example mdev.conf of mine and checked it into busybox. On a private thread i let him know last night that the conf he checked in was incompat, then sent him an updated better copy. |
| 22:15.01 | solar | calculus: but thanks |
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