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| 01:26.54 | solar | gold and silver always seem to do good around the end of the year holidays. By spring it will probably go back down to the $14USD range. gold maybe 900ish |
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| 01:28.02 | solar | if you are in no rush for the cash. wait a few years and sell it pre xmass |
| 01:36.41 | Mirell | Mmm... |
| 01:46.26 | SpeedEvil | aluminium - earlier - as it is basically frozen electricity - and it wasn't going to stay at 1000gbp/ton |
| 01:46.35 | SpeedEvil | now at 1700 IIRC |
| 01:48.36 | solar | with Al you never really want to take possession of the commodity, just trade it? |
| 01:49.00 | solar | cuz renting trucks and all kinda dips into that profit margin |
| 01:52.48 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 01:53.22 | SpeedEvil | $1500 of Au is portable, $1500 of Al not so much. |
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| 03:50.16 | solar | indeed |
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| 09:21.58 | Ian_Daniher | http://tinyurl.com/cortex-comparison |
| 09:22.03 | Ian_Daniher | anyone have thoughts to share? |
| 09:23.50 | Ian_Daniher | rather, http://tinyurl.com/cortexm3-comparison |
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| 09:26.04 | SpeedEvil | I've been looking at the lpc range recently - interesting stuff |
| 09:26.15 | SpeedEvil | I need to fully read a datasheet or two |
| 09:28.26 | Ian_Daniher | SpeedEvil: Check out mbed.org for a sugarcoated dev platform for the lpc's |
| 09:28.49 | SpeedEvil | yeah - I'd like somewhat less sugar and half the price. |
| 09:29.05 | SpeedEvil | I'm currently very, very short of cash. |
| 09:29.37 | Ian_Daniher | :( |
| 09:29.54 | Ian_Daniher | well, it's 4:30am here and I'm about to get five hours of sleep |
| 09:30.00 | Ian_Daniher | for the third night in a row... |
| 09:30.03 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 09:30.05 | Ian_Daniher | :D |
| 09:30.07 | SpeedEvil | night. |
| 09:30.11 | SpeedEvil | Sleep well. |
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| 09:36.32 | roxfan | Ian_Daniher: check also luminary chips |
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| 14:40.20 | Ian_Daniher | anyone use embedded lua for a project? |
| 14:42.30 | Ian_Daniher | I'm wondering how robust elua code is and how feasible it is for [thankfully someone else] to write the entire project codebase in a high-level language |
| 14:56.43 | SpeedEvil | Entire codebase is generally hard. |
| 14:57.06 | SpeedEvil | You will often find stuff like bootloaders are easier in assembler for example. |
| 14:57.11 | SpeedEvil | Or at least portions of them. |
| 14:58.25 | chouimat|away | morning |
| 14:59.36 | SpeedEvil | Morning. |
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| 15:12.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: greetings |
| 15:16.12 | CosmicPenguin | yo |
| 15:20.32 | chouimat | hmmm |
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| 16:14.37 | MonMotha | Ian_Daniher: probably doable, but you might not get the size and/or performance you need |
| 16:15.01 | MonMotha | and some lower level stuff (banging on registers directly with timing constraints) might be hard |
| 16:21.31 | Mirell | HoHum, another day. |
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| 16:27.34 | prpplague | Mirell: yes indeed |
| 16:52.37 | Mirell | Excellent, I have my second monitor... |
| 16:52.51 | Mirell | Still don't have the replacement desktop so I could actually use said monitor though... |
| 17:04.48 | SpeedEvil | USB monitor adaptor! |
| 17:13.40 | Mirell | Yah, no. |
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| 17:28.20 | dieter|work | Hi everybody out there. |
| 17:28.36 | kergoth | hey |
| 17:28.42 | dieter|work | Does anybody know if it's possible to use pci hotplug on ARM (marvell kirkwood)? |
| 17:29.00 | dieter|work | I want to boot an fpga from linux and after that load an pci driver. |
| 17:29.23 | dieter|work | to get access to the fpga. |
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| 18:19.10 | MonMotha | dieter|work: given that that's not hardware hotplug, but only the software side, you might be able to get it to work. Linux does have PCI hot-discovery support. |
| 18:19.27 | MonMotha | I'm not sure anyone's ever used it on ARM. Any reason you can't hold the CPU in reset until the FPGA is configured? |
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| 19:28.09 | Ian_Daniher | Has anyone in here used elua and is willing to talk about the experience? I need to know whether to discourage the team that hired me from using it or not. |
| 19:29.57 | calculus | you may ask landley, he was looking at writing/implementing toybox in lua (but I don't know the difference between embedded vs not) |
| 19:33.09 | kergoth | isn't familiar with elua, but ⥠lua, great little language. used it years ago, played with it in an embedded device, and later did world of warcraft addon development with it |
| 19:33.34 | MonMotha | my experiences with Lua in general have been positive, but I've not used elua |
| 19:33.42 | MonMotha | most of my embedded applications can't spare the space for the runtime stuff |
| 19:34.02 | MonMotha | I'm still looking for applications, though |
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| 19:41.36 | Ian_Daniher | We're designing a nifty data-acquisition board for undergrad education |
| 19:43.01 | MonMotha | elua isn't that big. I'm just often working on things that only have maybe 512 bytes of RAM and 16-32k of program memory |
| 19:43.06 | MonMotha | that's pretty constrained |
| 19:46.31 | Ian_Daniher | nods |
| 19:46.44 | Ian_Daniher | as you may have seen from the tinyurl I posted at ~4am, we're working with 256kb |
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| 20:46.36 | roxfan | you should add some lm3s chip to the table |
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| 21:28.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i practically have the entire core electrical system of a prius on my desk |
| 21:29.09 | CosmicPenguin | purposely? |
| 21:30.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe indeed |
| 21:30.54 | calculus | now you can tell me how to add features to my dad's prius |
| 21:31.03 | calculus | I am sure he would love me taking it apart |
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| 21:41.52 | prpplague | calculus: what feature would you want to add? |
| 21:43.47 | SpeedEvil | Flying car! |
| 21:45.14 | chouimat | hehe |
| 21:45.59 | SpeedEvil | I have a design for a hoverboard. |
| 21:46.06 | SpeedEvil | $30000, but totally insane. :) |
| 21:48.39 | prpplague | calculus: comments/suggestions would be appreciated |
| 21:48.51 | prpplague | (serious ones) |
| 21:48.59 | nullpuppy | prpplague: do you have any plans currently? |
| 21:49.11 | prpplague | nullpuppy: none that i can discuss |
| 21:49.16 | nullpuppy | hehe, k. |
| 21:49.29 | SpeedEvil | calculus: look at some of the hypermiling sites |
| 21:49.32 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 21:49.33 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: |
| 21:49.41 | prpplague | nullpuppy: just figured while i was working on it if there was something cool i could add in |
| 21:49.51 | nullpuppy | *nods* |
| 21:49.55 | chouimat | prpplague: I bet there is a few extra/unneeded stuff in this ... |
| 21:50.31 | SpeedEvil | An option to PWM the engine and maintain +-5MPH, at high throttle for short bursts can do wonders for fuel economy |
| 21:51.08 | chouimat | SpeedEvil: that or manage to design a more efficient combustion engine |
| 21:51.41 | SpeedEvil | chouimat: that will cost tens of millions. |
| 21:51.54 | SpeedEvil | Software hacks can achieve similar results for _vastly_ less money |
| 21:52.02 | prpplague | little out of the scope of what i'm doing |
| 21:52.03 | chouimat | SpeedEvil: true but will help with global warming ;) |
| 21:52.44 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 21:55.54 | SpeedEvil | http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/articles/t-beating-the-epa-the-whys-and-how-to-hypermile-1510.html - for example |
| 21:59.20 | calculus | prpplague: hmm... I would have to give it some thought |
| 22:00.07 | calculus | maybe add traffic reports to the gps maps, add additional screens and gamepads for fun rear entertainment |
| 22:00.44 | calculus | more things to control via bluetooth (e.g. windows up/down, ac/heat) |
| 22:02.01 | calculus | internet on either the main screen or additional ones |
| 22:02.36 | prpplague | calculus: what year model does you father have? |
| 22:02.59 | calculus | prpplague: I think the first gen hatchback one |
| 22:03.06 | prpplague | calculus: ahh |
| 22:03.11 | calculus | not sure of the year |
| 22:03.18 | prpplague | calculus: hasn't had problems with the batteries yet? |
| 22:03.37 | calculus | prpplague: not that I know of, what would be the symptoms? |
| 22:04.31 | prpplague | calculus: generally you get a lose of charge power, basically you end up running on the ICE more than you should, you can get a report from MFD about which cells have a problem |
| 22:04.50 | prpplague | calculus: alot of the 2001-2004 prius have battery issues |
| 22:06.41 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 22:06.58 | prpplague | needs to rewrite some code with an isr instead of polled |
| 22:07.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: tricked anyone into moving to CO yet? |
| 22:10.03 | calculus | prpplague: so looking at wikipedia, it is the second generation prius (model NHW20) from 2004-2009 |
| 22:10.14 | calculus | the first of the hatchback kind |
| 22:10.22 | prpplague | calculus: ahh much better design |
| 22:12.27 | prpplague | calculus: i'm really like an augmented reality of "redneck rampage" to play on the MFD, although that might get messy, hehe |
| 22:12.35 | prpplague | s/i'm/i'd |
| 22:13.12 | chouimat | bbl ... and you might have a drinking problem when the pub's owner call you wondering why you're not there yet |
| 22:13.20 | prpplague | chouimat: HA |
| 22:14.16 | prpplague | "Hey bud, look i have two kids in college, you can't just up and decide to not come in to the pub when ever you feel like it......" |
| 22:14.25 | chouimat | hehe |
| 22:15.02 | prpplague | needs to visit ottawa again some day |
| 22:15.29 | chouimat | needs to had a few fans in here |
| 22:15.38 | chouimat | s/had/add |
| 22:16.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey, i forgot there was something i had to tease you about - http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/OLPC-175-and-3/ |
| 22:16.27 | prpplague | chouimat|away: drink one for me |
| 22:16.51 | chouimat|away | prpplague: now I have to drink 12 tonight :( |
| 22:16.59 | prpplague | hehe |
| 22:17.20 | chouimat|away | anyway later everybodt |
| 22:18.08 | prpplague | waves goodbye |
| 22:19.41 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: why tease? |
| 22:21.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, only slighty tease and/or harrass since you were a big advocate of x86 for the original XO, and now you are working on ARM and OLPC is moving to ARM |
| 22:23.51 | CosmicPenguin | I wasn't an avocate for anything |
| 22:23.59 | CosmicPenguin | I didn't choose the processor |
| 22:24.09 | CosmicPenguin | I just happened to be working for the company that made the processor |
| 22:24.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: indeed, just kidding around with you about it |
| 22:25.23 | CosmicPenguin | The damn project is following me |
| 22:25.30 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 22:25.49 | SpeedEvil | The tablet version sounds interesting |
| 22:26.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 22:32.53 | Mirell | Heh |
| 22:33.19 | Mirell | Odd: http://www.ultraedit.com/products/uex.html |
| 22:35.24 | prpplague | Mirell: looks interesting |
| 22:38.21 | calculus | Mirell: my coworker says it is a very good product |
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| 22:54.21 | prpplague | i'm a fan of midnight commander, but that uex looks good |
| 23:00.24 | calculus | thought mc was just a multipanel file browser |
| 23:00.51 | Mirell | Same.. |
| 23:01.02 | Mirell | Either that or prpplague's alter ego. |
| 23:02.28 | prpplague | calculus: it has an internal editor that does syntax highlighting and lots of macros for programming |
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