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| 02:52.33 | monkey_ | ello? |
| 02:56.59 | Mirell | 'lo |
| 02:57.05 | monkey_ | sup Mirell |
| 02:59.43 | Mirell | Not much. |
| 02:59.50 | Mirell | Resting, work tomorrow again. |
| 03:12.01 | monkey_ | sweet |
| 03:14.48 | Mirell | Eh, it's okay. |
| 03:15.07 | monkey_ | did you figure out what you will do |
| 03:16.17 | Mirell | Somewhat. |
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| 14:54.03 | Mirell | It is a morning. |
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| 15:10.44 | prpplague | jeeze gold is at 1131 and silver at 17.78 |
| 15:15.38 | prpplague | greetings earthlings |
| 15:15.43 | Mirell | 'lo prpplague |
| 15:16.37 | chouimat_ | morning |
| 15:17.02 | prpplague | tries to get organized and motivated for this weeks worth of work |
| 15:17.28 | chouimat_ | prpplague: good luck |
| 15:17.36 | prpplague | chouimat_: hehe |
| 15:18.13 | prpplague | i love to do reverse engineering, but it really is mentally demanding and leaves me worn out at the end of the week |
| 15:18.44 | Mirell | I finally got a chair that works today. |
| 15:18.54 | Mirell | So that's enough accomplishment for one day. |
| 15:19.35 | prpplague | Mirell: lovely, time to F' around for the rest of the day? |
| 15:26.46 | Mirell | I still should sit down and look at this TCL script nonsense. |
| 15:26.51 | chouimat_ | prpplague: last friday I go a nice phone call from my former employer ... he told me he needed me and he made a mistake ... I put some conditions and this morning he refused them ... and I don't care |
| 15:28.22 | prpplague | chouimat_: were the conditions reasonable? i.e. did you require him to call you "great master programmer" ? |
| 15:28.48 | Mirell | prpplague: I only respond to "Master Controller", or "MC Mark" |
| 15:28.56 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:29.04 | Mirell | prpplague: Thereby making two references into one! |
| 15:29.08 | chouimat_ | prpplague: a little raise, a few more vacations time and the possibility to work from home since the office is way too noisy |
| 15:29.34 | prpplague | chouimat_: sounds reasonable, specially if he is in a bind |
| 15:30.48 | chouimat_ | prpplague: I knew the work from home part was unacceptable for him ... anyway I don't want to back there so I was sure the 15000$ raise was a little too much but it was negociable |
| 15:31.23 | prpplague | ahh |
| 15:32.26 | chouimat_ | prpplague: they are in "panic mode" since July ... they have half the staff and they work on 7 different deadlines |
| 15:34.54 | prpplague | chouimat_: i don't recall exactly but was this codesourcery? |
| 15:35.01 | chouimat_ | no axentra |
| 15:35.20 | prpplague | ahh |
| 15:35.42 | prpplague | neato, my pcb house sent me a coffee cup coaster made from a pcb |
| 15:37.02 | MonMotha | prpplague: my place does that with some frequency |
| 15:37.04 | MonMotha | it's even gold plated |
| 15:38.47 | prpplague | MonMotha: dandy |
| 15:44.51 | prpplague | begins looking at a bug in his software |
| 15:45.05 | chouimat_ | goes make coffee |
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| 15:49.38 | Mirell | I remember the first place I was at, ACS, |
| 15:49.51 | Mirell | I got an offer doing contracting with Cisco, and they tried to keep me, |
| 15:49.57 | Mirell | Even offered to double my salary, |
| 15:50.02 | Mirell | But it just wasn't worth it. |
| 16:01.11 | solar | why not? 2x salary sounds good |
| 16:02.16 | florian | solar: depends on the previous salary :) |
| 16:05.19 | Mirell | It was good... |
| 16:05.25 | Mirell | But the job involved 24x7 support |
| 16:05.35 | Mirell | And extremely high stress dealing with a lazy data center |
| 16:06.07 | Mirell | And then constant hell if something broke that you said would break if they didn't spend $10K on some new equipment that would make the problem go away, |
| 16:06.20 | Mirell | But instead they said you could handle it, it's been fine for years, et cetera. |
| 16:06.50 | Mirell | So yes, I could have gotten $100K+ a year, but my life would be a living hell of chronic alcoholism and I'd never be able to quit smoking... |
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| 16:08.43 | chouimat_ | Mirell: I know what you're talking about |
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| 16:11.17 | MonMotha | there's definitely more to a job than the compensation |
| 16:11.39 | Mirell | It's the money/suck ratio. |
| 16:12.31 | MonMotha | something along those lines |
| 16:24.42 | solar | Mirell: heh.. 100k is worth it for a few years. |
| 16:25.30 | chouimat_ | solar: not if the job or the workplace is bad for you sanity |
| 16:25.42 | solar | man up |
| 16:25.56 | solar | all jobs are bad for ones sanity |
| 16:26.19 | Mirell | I was wanting to take two shots in the morning just to step through the front door. |
| 16:27.19 | solar | 2 shots = cheap. You would be able to afford it :p |
| 16:27.39 | chouimat_ | replacement liver == $$$$ ;) |
| 16:27.42 | Mirell | Oh shut the hell up solar. :D |
| 16:28.06 | solar | Mirell: you are still in austin right? |
| 16:28.09 | Mirell | Ayup |
| 16:28.21 | MonMotha | there eventually comes a point where other factors outweigh any compensation a particular job could offer you. The incompatibility is the job, not the compensation. Upping the pay can merely prolong the inevitable. |
| 16:28.22 | solar | so 100k there is about 160k+ most everywhere else |
| 16:28.53 | solar | yep. But you put up with the crap for half of it before. |
| 16:29.17 | Mirell | There was a reason they hired entry-level people for that position. |
| 16:29.19 | solar | oh I'm kidding with you mostly. Do whatever makes you happy. |
| 16:29.35 | Mirell | Heh |
| 16:29.51 | chouimat_ | and some place since they gave you a raise will ask you do to more ... because they think they own you |
| 16:33.14 | Mirell | Indeed. |
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| 16:43.54 | Mirell | Oh god, I've figured out how Starkits work now... |
| 16:43.55 | Mirell | Kill me. |
| 16:44.22 | chouimat_ | Mirell: quick or a slow and painful one? |
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| 16:57.22 | Mirell | Quick, please. |
| 17:08.53 | prpplague | jeeze gold is at 1134 |
| 17:09.41 | chouimat_ | prpplague: which mean the USD is going down |
| 17:10.32 | prpplague | chouimat_: way way way down |
| 17:10.54 | prpplague | chouimat_: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/december-gold-futures-close-in-on-1130-2009-11-15 |
| 17:12.14 | Mirell | I just spent fifteen minutes debugging an off-by-one error. |
| 17:12.16 | Mirell | I hate those. |
| 17:12.16 | chouimat_ | the cad is at 0.9561 usd and at 0.639 euro ... |
| 17:13.07 | prpplague | Mirell: hehe, that was my bug this morning as well |
| 17:13.43 | Mirell | Yay printf/puts/echo |
| 17:14.26 | chouimat_ | prpplague: I spent yesterday debugging a script, and reinstalling the stuff on the device ... nice little typo ' instead of ` |
| 17:14.52 | prpplague | chouimat_: hehe |
| 17:14.56 | prpplague | Mirell: indeed |
| 17:15.13 | prpplague | Mirell: mine is on an embedded controller, so i had to end up wiring in a uart to debug it |
| 17:15.28 | prpplague | has lost his cell phone |
| 17:15.30 | solar | prpplague: what avg price per oz did you buy gold at? |
| 17:15.52 | prpplague | solar: i bought at 952 |
| 17:16.12 | chouimat | prpplague: nice ... |
| 17:16.15 | prpplague | solar: and 12.62 for the silver |
| 17:16.37 | prpplague | solar: i expect gold to hit $2500 and silver to hit $50 |
| 17:16.46 | solar | I got in gold around 945. Silver closer to 14.50 |
| 17:17.13 | chouimat | prpplague: maybe I will wait before selling mine |
| 17:18.04 | prpplague | i purchase mine in coins mainly as a security blanket in case the USD tanks |
| 17:20.17 | solar | prpplague: it's a wise investment either way. I'm a little mad I did not pick up more over this summer this year |
| 17:21.48 | prpplague | yea, specially with the gov printing money like toilet paper |
| 17:23.39 | solar | the federal reserve is not even a gov agency |
| 17:23.49 | solar | reserve prints it. We barrow it at interest |
| 17:23.54 | solar | what a perfect scam |
| 17:23.57 | solar | fiat currency |
| 17:27.48 | chouimat | arrrggg, I just formated the wrong drive |
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| 17:42.18 | solar | ouch |
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| 18:14.40 | Mirell | I keep wishing Stargate Universe would be good... |
| 18:16.07 | prpplague | Mirell: as do i |
| 18:17.30 | prpplague | i missed the first hour of it so i'm missing some of the plot |
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| 18:27.26 | Mirell | ...BitTorrent? |
| 18:28.02 | prpplague | Mirell: i've never had much luck using bittorrent |
| 18:28.13 | Mirell | o.O |
| 18:28.21 | Mirell | Or heck, Hulu has SGU |
| 18:31.46 | prpplague | Mirell: ahh never used Hulu before |
| 18:32.08 | prpplague | Mirell: any problems watching using linux desktop? |
| 18:32.20 | Mirell | prpplague: Other than Flash generally sucking, no. |
| 18:32.38 | prpplague | ahh |
| 18:32.46 | prpplague | i'll have a look this evening |
| 18:41.40 | prpplague | gold at 1141 |
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| 18:42.13 | prpplague | ~quote SLV |
| 18:42.44 | prpplague | ~quote GC09Z |
| 18:43.43 | prpplague | ~quote GCO9Z |
| 18:43.49 | prpplague | hmm |
| 18:44.47 | prpplague | ~quote GC |
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| 18:50.10 | prpplague | GPSFan: greetings! |
| 18:50.20 | prpplague | GPSFan: done molesting those sheep for the day? |
| 18:50.26 | GPSFan | prpplague: howdy howdy... |
| 18:50.45 | GPSFan | prpplague: yep took some off to the freezer today; |
| 18:51.08 | CosmicPenguin | mmmmm.... |
| 18:51.26 | CosmicPenguin | delicious |
| 18:51.27 | GPSFan | CosmicPenguin: you mean yummmm! |
| 18:51.47 | GPSFan | ;>)) |
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| 18:53.48 | CosmicPenguin | Being a tried and true Wyomingite, I appreciate meat of the ovine variety |
| 18:54.56 | Mirell | Heh. |
| 18:55.13 | GPSFan | baaah |
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| 19:02.28 | prpplague | black belly sheep are a mainstay of meat in barbados |
| 19:14.11 | Mirell | Oh god. |
| 19:14.14 | Mirell | [incr Tcl] |
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| 19:18.50 | prpplague | ~quote SLV |
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| 19:43.07 | *** topic/#edev by Mirell -> A channel for discussing the fluctuating prices of commodities. |
| 19:45.31 | Mirell | Fixed that for you there, prpplague. |
| 19:45.54 | prpplague | Mirell: hehe |
| 19:46.01 | prpplague | Mirell: that bother you? |
| 19:46.24 | Mirell | Not really, it's just your current "thing" that you've been going on about. :D |
| 19:47.14 | *** topic/#edev by prpplague -> A channel for the discussion of embedded systems (Hardware/Software/Linux/WinCE/Commercial Device Repurposing) |
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| 19:47.58 | prpplague | will try to refrain from offtopic conversation |
| 19:48.03 | Mirell | Nah, don't. |
| 19:48.13 | Mirell | I'm just bored and don't want to work. |
| 19:48.17 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:48.29 | CosmicPenguin | Let me know when we actually get ontopic conversation, will you? |
| 19:48.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sure thing |
| 19:49.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: come to think of it, since you left AMD, and i left AML, we really don't do a giant amount of dev conversation any more |
| 19:50.54 | CosmicPenguin | Because if I talked about what I am doing, I would likely be drawn and quartered |
| 19:51.22 | prpplague | indeed |
| 19:51.29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm under NDA as well |
| 19:51.44 | CosmicPenguin | On a completely different note |
| 19:51.45 | CosmicPenguin | http://kara.allthingsd.com/20091116/qualcomms-ceo-paul-jacobs-talks-about-smartbooks-and-more/ |
| 19:51.54 | prpplague | looks |
| 19:51.54 | CosmicPenguin | acts innocent |
| 19:57.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: right and on another completely different note, this is an interesting concept http://www.soultek.com/clean_energy/hybrid_cars/better_than_hybrid_car_plug_in_hybrid_car.html |
| 20:13.15 | prpplague | Mirell: btw, the 5 year waiting period exception never made it into the house bill, which means the restriction is still in place |
| 20:24.50 | Mirell | prpplague: Thought we determined there wasn't a restriction to begin with in the House bill that was voted on recently. |
| 20:25.47 | prpplague | Mirell: right, i got more info on that, the restriction is part of the immigration law, problem is that the health care bill needs to add an exception to override the immigration law |
| 20:28.04 | prpplague | Mirell: the immigration law expressly forbids any legal resident from qualifing for any government provide benefits such as medicare/medicate, as well as things like food stamps, for a period of 5 years after initial entry into the US |
| 20:28.51 | Mirell | prpplague: And this applies to the health insurance companies that participate in the Exchange? |
| 20:30.58 | prpplague | Mirell: from what i'm being told is that it does since the exchange is gov sponsored |
| 20:32.10 | prpplague | has to go pick up kids from school, bbiab |
| 20:34.25 | Mirell | I don't think prpplague has any kids, it's just an excuse! |
| 20:37.56 | chouimat | Mirell: it's sound better than "I have to go to the strip club ... bb tomorrow" |
| 20:41.38 | Mirell | That sounds like a manly thing to do. |
| 20:41.57 | Mirell | prpplague should wear his strip club afficianodo badge high and proud. |
| 20:42.08 | SpeedEvil | http://www.sparkbangbuzz.com/flame-amp/flameamp.htm |
| 20:42.09 | chouimat | Mirell: but some people might be offended |
| 20:54.44 | Mirell | Bah |
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| 21:02.08 | Mirell | I evidently need to bring framed photos of my cats to workl |
| 21:02.11 | Mirell | Er, work. |
| 21:05.01 | MonMotha | just print out some stuff from icanhascheezburger.com |
| 21:05.14 | Mirell | NoNo, have many, many photos of my cats already |
| 21:05.23 | MonMotha | but are they captioned? |
| 21:05.49 | Mirell | One is: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mirell/1468788331/ |
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| 21:07.43 | MonMotha | is getting tired of his X server segfaulting |
| 21:08.29 | Mirell | Heh |
| 21:08.40 | MonMotha | I'm pretty sure I've got some sort of hardware problem on this machine |
| 21:09.01 | MonMotha | I tore the mobo out a couple months ago when it totally died and replaced some obviously broke capacitors, but it still seems unhappy |
| 21:12.23 | Mirell | I don't ever bother anymore with building my own systems |
| 21:12.33 | Mirell | Most I'll do is add hard drives and maybe RAM to an existing setup |
| 21:12.34 | MonMotha | for desktops I do |
| 21:12.41 | MonMotha | the off-the-shelf crap is, well, crap |
| 21:12.56 | Mirell | The Dell business class machines aren't too bad |
| 21:13.04 | MonMotha | then again, this system is 6 years old...and it's my "current" desktop |
| 21:13.33 | MonMotha | I did just get a new laptop |
| 21:13.47 | MonMotha | The hardware is good. The supplied build of Windows was almost unusable. |
| 21:21.00 | Mirell | So you mentioned. |
| 21:21.12 | Mirell | Silly Lenovo. |
| 21:24.03 | MonMotha | I did manage to get a clean build on there, and it does activate. Everything works out of the box with no Lenovo stuff except the WWAN (I don't use it) and the switchable graphics |
| 21:24.19 | MonMotha | it boots up in about 1/5th the time of the Lenovo build! |
| 21:24.28 | Mirell | Go figure. |
| 21:24.55 | MonMotha | battery life doesn't seem as good, so the Lenovo stuff may do some more agressive power management |
| 21:25.09 | MonMotha | or the default settings for power may just need tweaked |
| 21:45.49 | prpplague | returns |
| 21:46.12 | Mirell | Get a good lap dance, prpplague? |
| 21:46.16 | prpplague | indeed |
| 21:46.17 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:55.02 | nullpuppy | hey, prpplague. i have a question for you that you may not be able to answer :) who do you use for your pcbs? |
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| 21:55.34 | prpplague | nullpuppy: for protos and small runs i use http://www.4pcb.com |
| 21:56.40 | MonMotha | prpplague: that would be who I use |
| 21:56.45 | MonMotha | and that's why you got a coaster from them |
| 21:57.03 | MonMotha | they're not really tooled up for high-volume production, but they're great in small volume and proto |
| 21:57.44 | nullpuppy | prpplague: ok, cool. have you by any chance heard of or used seeedstudio's fusion process? |
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| 22:20.18 | prpplague | nullpuppy: sorry no |
| 22:22.46 | nullpuppy | ok, no prob. |
| 22:24.53 | roxfan | this was mentioned on mbed forums: www.batchpcb.com |
| 22:31.48 | nullpuppy | roxfan: *nods* i've seen several services. |
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| 22:33.42 | Mirell | I wonder if I could get work to order Kona Keurig thingies... |
| 22:38.56 | MonMotha | batchpcb is a slow, budget service |
| 22:39.02 | MonMotha | but if it meets your needs, go for it |
| 22:39.18 | MonMotha | the Gold Phoenix deal (who batchpcb uses) is good if you want lots of something small |
| 22:39.25 | MonMotha | well, "lots" for proto quantity |
| 22:39.55 | MonMotha | I've used Sunstone. They were decent, but IIRC more expensive than 4pcb with similar service/spec |
| 22:44.58 | bsdfox__ | pcbcart.com is the cheapest if you want small boards and large quantities |
| 22:47.49 | nullpuppy | seeed works out to $3/board for a 5cm/5cm board with 10 boards, which isn't bad, imo (1.65/ea at $50), i don't know about the quality though. |
| 22:48.01 | nullpuppy | erm s/\$50/50/ |
| 22:48.15 | nullpuppy | (and thats for 2 layers) |
| 22:52.27 | MonMotha | the deals aren't always the same |
| 22:52.40 | nullpuppy | *nods* i realize that. |
| 22:52.57 | MonMotha | Gold Phoenix charges by the panel no matter how many of the same design you can panelize on it |
| 22:53.05 | MonMotha | but it's like another $50 for multiple designs |
| 22:53.34 | MonMotha | 4pcb is $33/ea for any size up to 70 sq in, no panelization allowed (panels allowed multiple designs for another $50/lot) minimum 4 (5th is then free) |
| 22:53.39 | nullpuppy | *nods* seeed is 1 design. |
| 23:21.40 | MonMotha | I remember a program at one point (I think it was called "teleport"?) that attempted (and sometimes succeeded) to move an X client from one server to another. Anybody remember this? |
| 23:23.15 | nullpuppy | no, but it sounds awesome. |
| 23:23.32 | nullpuppy | i do seem to recall hearing about something similar to screen for x though |
| 23:23.37 | nullpuppy | that may be the same thing, i dunno. |
| 23:26.42 | roxfan | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xmove ? |
| 23:38.46 | calculus | teleport is for OS X |
| 23:39.11 | calculus | MonMotha: you may be thinking of synergy (1 keyboard+mouse shared accross multiple X sessions/screens) |
| 23:39.16 | calculus | -c |
| 23:39.47 | calculus | but the clients remain on the computer |
| 23:49.05 | MonMotha | calculus: no, this definitely tried to basically move an X client from one server to another |
| 23:49.17 | MonMotha | which was really cool given the network transparency of X |
| 23:49.38 | MonMotha | it may have been xmove |
| 23:49.58 | MonMotha | but I didn't think there was a "psuedoserver" in the middle |
| 23:51.18 | MonMotha | I'm attempting to find a possibly hack to make switchable graphics usable on Linux until xorg gets real support |
| 23:51.35 | MonMotha | not that I really care, the Intel stuff is perfectly suitable for what I do on Linux |