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| 06:50.02 | monkey_ | anybody here use eclipse? |
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| 06:53.47 | cbx | monkey_: I used it, but for java |
| 06:53.51 | cbx | morning PureSine |
| 06:55.26 | PureSine | hello cbx :) how are you ? |
| 06:56.32 | monkey_ | you ever have problems with setting the gnu elf parser? |
| 06:56.46 | monkey_ | i set it to cross-static, click apply, and ok. but as soon as i go right back in it's poitning somewhere else |
| 07:18.50 | monkey_ | holy wombat crap! |
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| 14:21.45 | ncopa | hi |
| 14:21.57 | ncopa | im trying to build a native gcc toolchains with uclibc-nptl |
| 14:22.16 | ncopa | the build host is a uclibc-0.9.30.1 environment |
| 14:22.37 | ncopa | seems like the crosscompiler segfaults |
| 14:22.39 | ncopa | http://pastebin.com/d6ad4537a |
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| 14:44.30 | ncopa | can i have firwmare linux to avoid rebuilding binutils and cross gcc? |
| 14:44.37 | ncopa | it fails on uclibc |
| 14:45.10 | ncopa | and its kinda stupid to rebuild binutils everytime i patch uclibc |
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| 15:19.30 | chouimat | morning |
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| 17:00.32 | *** topic/#edev by prpplague -> A channel for the discussion of embedded systems (Hardware/Software/Linux/WinCE/Commercial Device Repurposing) : Firmware Linux Discussion : Busybox and Buildroot Discussion : Gold 1200.00 : Silver 18.81 |
| 17:01.03 | prpplague | Mirell: ok so i off by a week for gold hitting 1200 |
| 17:01.16 | Mirell | Poor prpplague. |
| 17:01.39 | prpplague | Mirell: new prediction, gold at $1300 by the end of jan |
| 17:02.52 | florian | You should add Euros to the list in the topic ;) |
| 17:02.54 | prpplague | the only thing i hate about this project is that i can't tell anyone about it, or post all the cool stuff i;ve learned by reverse engineering this |
| 17:03.07 | prpplague | florian: hehe, i don't have any euros |
| 17:05.26 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: Is it Buran? :) |
| 17:05.58 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: ?? |
| 17:06.07 | SpeedEvil | nvm |
| 17:06.27 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: do tell |
| 17:06.38 | prpplague | googles buran |
| 17:07.15 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buran_%28spacecraft%29 ?? |
| 17:07.19 | SpeedEvil | Russian space shuttle clone. |
| 17:07.52 | SpeedEvil | is currently trying to reverse engineer some of the closed bits on his n900. |
| 17:08.06 | SpeedEvil | strace makes it a hell of a lot easier |
| 17:09.19 | prpplague | ahh right i had heard of a "russian clone" of the shuttle, but never looking into it |
| 17:10.49 | chouimat | SpeedEvil: how is the n900? |
| 17:10.58 | SpeedEvil | Shiny. |
| 17:11.00 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: strace was useless on N810 |
| 17:11.30 | SpeedEvil | yeah - it may not actually help - but... |
| 17:12.09 | SpeedEvil | I do see a process - SPI related - that seems to be using about the right amount of CPU for a softish GPS |
| 17:12.32 | SpeedEvil | but I haven't really investigated it much. It could be the maps applications file accesses. |
| 17:14.40 | Mirell | prpplague: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Special-Delivery.aspx |
| 17:16.11 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 17:17.37 | prpplague | Mirell: ha dandy |
| 17:18.11 | prpplague | Mirell: i don't do much XML myself, so i would have missed that one at first glance, but i would have atleast done some testing |
| 17:18.27 | Mirell | NoNo |
| 17:18.34 | Mirell | You need to buy commodities a la real! |
| 17:18.59 | chouimat | lol |
| 17:19.27 | prpplague | Mirell: ?? |
| 17:21.38 | Mirell | prpplague: Buy some cheap aluminum. |
| 17:22.07 | prpplague | hmm, i must be missing something |
| 17:22.51 | Mirell | prpplague: The guy in the article ended up getting 28,000 tons of coal. |
| 17:22.59 | Mirell | prpplague: Instead of virtual commodities |
| 17:23.29 | prpplague | Mirell: right, are you implying that i am doing virtual commodities? |
| 17:24.17 | chouimat | is waiting to be able to sell virtual crap ... |
| 17:24.25 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:24.51 | chouimat | prpplague: I'm sorry but I think there is something wrong in this system |
| 17:25.18 | prpplague | chouimat: what system is that? |
| 17:25.26 | chouimat | virtual commodities ... |
| 17:25.47 | prpplague | chouimat: ahh right , it "seems" bogus to me as well |
| 17:26.40 | prpplague | Mirell: i'm guessing you are under the impression that i was buying virtual commodity gold, i am buying krugerrands |
| 17:27.17 | prpplague | Mirell: and american eagle silver coins |
| 17:27.32 | Mirell | Freddy Kreugers? |
| 17:27.59 | prpplague | Mirell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krugerrand |
| 17:30.45 | prpplague | Mirell: i purchased most of my gold back when it was $918 |
| 17:31.16 | Mirell | Crazy man. |
| 17:31.22 | chouimat | prpplague: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Gold_Maple_Leaf <--- look at the "On May 3, 2007 ..." |
| 17:31.50 | prpplague | Mirell: why? i'm up almost 40% already |
| 17:32.13 | Mirell | You could get robbed! |
| 17:32.39 | chouimat | Mirell: he probably have enough firepower to stop an invasion |
| 17:33.03 | prpplague | Mirell: not likely that the safety deposit boxes at my banks are going to get robbed |
| 17:34.22 | prpplague | chouimat: that i do |
| 17:35.07 | prpplague | chouimat: i'm currently at 21 weapons |
| 17:35.15 | florian | eeks |
| 17:35.53 | chouimat | prpplague: I have only 1 and it might now work ... it depend what my cat ate before the usage ;) |
| 17:35.56 | prpplague | probably add a couple more next month |
| 17:36.07 | prpplague | chouimat: hehe |
| 17:38.22 | prpplague | office is cold today |
| 17:38.24 | prpplague | burrrr |
| 17:38.25 | chouimat | prpplague: last Sunday, I watched the Grey Cup with some friends and I had way too much too drink, so yesterday morning I had a bad headache, and I took the wrong pills bottle, so instead of taking to motrin I took 2 sleeping pills ... and I don't know what I gave my cat to eat but at one point it was awfull |
| 17:38.38 | likewise | :-) |
| 17:38.51 | prpplague | chouimat: hehe |
| 17:39.29 | Mirell | Ahhh, weekends. |
| 17:39.36 | chouimat | and I probably screwed up the phone interview |
| 17:39.47 | prpplague | has way too much work to do |
| 17:39.56 | prpplague | i'm way behind on my schedule |
| 17:39.56 | likewise | was accidently passing by his laptop, and that made a nice random read |
| 17:40.14 | chouimat | prpplague: I'm sure you can find a few subcontractors ;) |
| 17:40.42 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:40.57 | prpplague | goes back to coding |
| 17:41.45 | florian | returns home |
| 17:47.42 | prpplague | hmm 9C outside |
| 17:48.12 | likewise | prpplague: too hot to work, heh? |
| 17:48.26 | prpplague | pretty chilly |
| 17:49.34 | likewise | It's supposed to be near freezing here, but today was blue skies and really hot, so it will probably be freezing tonight. |
| 17:49.44 | Mirell | It's cold and raining here. |
| 17:50.15 | SpeedEvil | ~1C outside. |
| 17:51.06 | chouimat | ~0 here |
| 17:53.25 | SpeedEvil | 7C inside. |
| 17:53.28 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 17:53.38 | SpeedEvil | is having cashflow problems ATM. |
| 17:53.47 | SpeedEvil | And wearing lots of jumpers. |
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| 18:09.55 | Mirell | That can be interpreted in so many different ways. |
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| 21:26.29 | rektide | hmm sleeping pills and booze; a legendarily awful combination |
| 21:27.36 | roxfan | did it prove true? |
| 21:38.09 | chouimat | rektide: I know that |
| 21:38.30 | rektide | just felt like sharing |
| 21:38.48 | rektide | man, the recent xilinx spartan's are pretty over the top |
| 21:38.59 | rektide | i need to actually get myself a fpga dev kit |
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| 22:23.39 | landley | Hello world. |
| 22:43.25 | Mirell | 'lo landley |
| 22:48.07 | davidc__ | rektide: yeah, I know; they're pretty droolworthy |
| 22:49.24 | rektide | my big issue with something like the spartan6 pci-express kit is |
| 22:49.30 | rektide | i have no idea what kind of IP i can use w/ it |
| 22:49.47 | prpplague | landley: greetings |
| 22:49.58 | davidc__ | rektide: hmm, wonder if there's something on opencores |
| 22:50.18 | rektide | after spending $500 on this http://www.xilinx.com/products/devkits/EK-S6-SP605-G.htm |
| 22:50.44 | rektide | how many tens of thousands will i have to shell out buy IP required to develop my own hardware based off the kit |
| 22:53.19 | MonMotha | rektide: opencores |
| 22:53.30 | MonMotha | though I thought spartan 6 had a hard PCIe core |
| 22:54.48 | MonMotha | and actually, if you buy full blown ISE, you get a good chunk of Xilinx provided IP that IIRC can be used commercially |
| 22:54.53 | MonMotha | ISE is like $3000 |
| 22:55.14 | MonMotha | I don't know if the bundled copy with that dev board can be used commercially or not |
| 22:55.35 | rektide | "ISE Design Suite: Logic Edition (device-locked for the Spartan-6 LX45T FPGA)" |
| 22:55.41 | rektide | with the SP605 i linked |
| 22:56.14 | rektide | i need to say fuck it, damn the torpedoes, and buy that kit |
| 22:56.26 | rektide | having only 1/4 of an idea what exactly it is i'm buying |
| 22:57.01 | MonMotha | I guess they say it's a full-seat license, so I presume that's commercially usable |
| 22:57.28 | MonMotha | you could start off with a cheaper board like a Digilent Nexys2 and use the free ISE Webpack |
| 22:57.37 | MonMotha | *Nexsys 2 |
| 22:57.47 | MonMotha | or however the heck they name it :) |
| 22:57.59 | rektide | this doesnt entirely make sense, but i'm poor enough to only be able to invest once atm |
| 22:58.51 | MonMotha | well, the Digilent boards are a lot cheaper (I think you can get the Basys for like $50), but they're only Spartan3E |
| 22:58.52 | rektide | ddr3 and pcie are both big draws for me |
| 22:59.03 | rektide | they're what i want ot be using |
| 22:59.16 | MonMotha | you might be able to do DDR3 on a S3E, but the dev board probably only has plain DDR or DDR2 |
| 22:59.28 | MonMotha | I dunno if they changed the electrical stuff on DDR3 again. DDR was SSTL, and DDR2 was SSTL2. |
| 22:59.49 | MonMotha | no PCIe, though |
| 22:59.52 | MonMotha | they don't have MGTs |
| 23:00.29 | rektide | 1.5V for DDR3 |
| 23:00.50 | MonMotha | the S3E is I think capable of 1.5V I/O, but I don't know if it can do all the weird current control stuff required |
| 23:00.52 | rektide | not sure what else factors in to SSTLx |
| 23:01.00 | rektide | nods |
| 23:01.04 | MonMotha | I know it has full support for SSTL and SSTL2 as they're actually defined I/O standards you can put in your UCF |
| 23:01.06 | rektide | what is MGT? |
| 23:01.14 | MonMotha | multi-gigabit transceiver |
| 23:01.20 | rektide | nods |
| 23:01.21 | MonMotha | basically LVDS+SerDes |
| 23:01.29 | rektide | right |
| 23:01.29 | MonMotha | though they can do things other than LVDS |
| 23:01.32 | MonMotha | the DVI is also a MGT |
| 23:01.49 | MonMotha | they can also do SATA (LVDS + OOB signaling) |
| 23:02.08 | MonMotha | I have an old Virtex2 Pro dev board |
| 23:02.55 | rektide | jeebus, i wouldnt have thought of sata |
| 23:03.23 | MonMotha | yeah, they should be able to do SATA |
| 23:03.42 | MonMotha | SATA and PCIe are both just very high speed LVDS, though SATA has some weird OOB signaling requirements that trip up the old Virtex2 |
| 23:05.02 | SpeedEvil | wonders how long it is till busses start going all OFDM and shit. |
| 23:06.09 | rektide | what incentive would there be for that? |
| 23:06.48 | MonMotha | lower EMI and it'll cut down on ISI |
| 23:07.54 | rektide | do you both think its an inevitability ? |
| 23:08.06 | rektide | i'd thought OFDM was strictly the domain of wireless |
| 23:08.17 | MonMotha | same stuff happens on wires |
| 23:08.18 | Spida | I have an at91sam7 arm, openocd says that the arm is running (read by jtag), it can also halt the arm, flash it, resume running.... but the arm isn't executing even the simplest led blinking code... any ideas? |
| 23:08.48 | MonMotha | Spida: there's some boot configuration fuse that determines whether it runs the onboard boot program (SAM-BA) or user code |
| 23:08.52 | MonMotha | by default, it runs their bootloader |
| 23:10.08 | MonMotha | rektide: ISI is a big deal on transmission lines. OFDM should eliminate ISI. |
| 23:10.10 | rektide | MonMotha: same stuff happens on wires, and i get that, but implementing ofdm seems like a lot of hardware/procesing power. |
| 23:10.25 | MonMotha | yeah, but if you need it |
| 23:10.30 | rektide | i can imagine ISI being really really hard to debug |
| 23:10.35 | MonMotha | also would help on long cable runs where you've got high power transceivers anyway |
| 23:12.20 | MonMotha | woah, gold hit $1200/oz? |
| 23:13.20 | Mirell | Indeed. |
| 23:13.25 | Mirell | prpplague: Integrate that into purl |
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| 23:17.26 | SpeedEvil | rektide: If you want - say - 100G on a 30cm wire, ... |
| 23:17.43 | SpeedEvil | DSL modems use OFDM |
| 23:19.06 | Spida | MonMotha: thank you, I only unprotected the flash and forgot the bootloader bit |
| 23:26.32 | Christos_N | Hi, anyone for WinCE here? |
| 23:33.44 | rektide | recommendations for high end i2c gear i might be able to get low volume quantity of ? |
| 23:34.06 | rektide | i'd really like some 192kHz 24-bit audio i/o |
| 23:34.08 | SpeedEvil | ''high end i2c" ? |
| 23:34.10 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 23:34.16 | SpeedEvil | IIRC TI samples some |
| 23:35.05 | rektide | i just heard about TI's McASP... some kind of multichannel serial targetted towards audio |
| 23:35.40 | rektide | guess it'd make sense they do normal i2c as well |
| 23:37.03 | rektide | err, i2s, sorry |
| 23:40.38 | roxfan | no idea if they're any good but maybe check this http://www.soccentral.com/results.asp?EntryID=29639 |
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| 23:44.51 | landley | hiya prplague. |