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| 07:33.36 | MonMotha | davidc__: sounds cool. Can you email me a link or something? |
| 07:34.30 | davidc__ | MonMotha: http://github.com/davidcarne/placeFlow |
| 07:34.51 | davidc__ | might need a few days before I can get it in shape |
| 07:34.55 | davidc__ | but it'll run as is |
| 07:34.58 | davidc__ | and import eagle files |
| 07:35.11 | davidc__ | MonMotha: its way more useful for a complicated board, rather than the one displayed |
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| 07:38.43 | davidc__ | MonMotha: you can see a screenshot at http://david.carne.ca/placement_tool.png |
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| 07:43.21 | S_A | Hi! I want to build kdrive (tinyX). Is there any how to ? |
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| 08:57.13 | MonMotha | davidc__: will it also import standard files (gerber + centroid data + CSV BOM)? |
| 08:57.17 | MonMotha | I don't use Eagle :) |
| 08:57.32 | davidc__ | MonMotha: It uses gerbers for the board artwork |
| 08:57.46 | davidc__ | MonMotha: and standard CSV centroid data and CSV BOM |
| 08:58.18 | davidc__ | the only direct eagle dependancy is the libraries for shapes |
| 08:59.04 | davidc__ | without the shapes data, it can only show you the centers of the parts, rather than rendering the parts themselves in color codes |
| 08:59.51 | MonMotha | davidc__: right. Would it be possible to have the ability to match up standardized package names with a library of footprints? |
| 09:00.10 | davidc__ | MonMotha: oh certainly, however some manual fixups will be required |
| 09:00.16 | davidc__ | [aka, rotation + centering] |
| 09:00.45 | MonMotha | true, no real standard rotation or reference point on package footprints |
| 09:01.00 | MonMotha | I wonder how hard it would be to import dxp footprint libraries |
| 09:01.10 | davidc__ | got one you can send my way? |
| 09:01.28 | MonMotha | hold |
| 09:03.15 | davidc__ | best would be a small library; with pics of how they should look |
| 09:03.50 | davidc__ | Also, is there any textual export from DXP? |
| 09:04.48 | MonMotha | all sorts. I have control over the format of a lot of it, especially the BOM |
| 09:05.27 | MonMotha | DXP aka Altium Designer |
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| 14:33.32 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 14:33.37 | prpplague | merry freakin monday |
| 14:37.45 | SpeedEvil | stabs mondays. |
| 14:37.52 | SpeedEvil | Today nother driving test. |
| 14:38.03 | SpeedEvil | On the way there my brake caliper binds. |
| 14:38.07 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: driving tests? |
| 14:38.10 | SpeedEvil | And I have to fix it. |
| 14:38.11 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 14:38.25 | SpeedEvil | Get there totally exhausted, and shaking, and fail miserably. |
| 14:39.37 | SpeedEvil | meh. |
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| 14:39.52 | SpeedEvil | I'm also fighting the urge to take my new toy apart. |
| 14:39.55 | SpeedEvil | n900 |
| 14:40.02 | SpeedEvil | It could really do with a compass. |
| 14:40.24 | SpeedEvil | Adding a compass is 4 wires, and an I2C triaxial compass, in parallel with the existing accellerometer. |
| 14:40.28 | SpeedEvil | dead easy. |
| 14:40.38 | SpeedEvil | But if I break it, I can't afford another. |
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| 16:00.08 | Mirell | SpeedEvil: People can fail a driving test? |
| 16:00.38 | SpeedEvil | Pass rates in the UK are in the 40-50% range |
| 16:00.50 | Mirell | Ah, UK |
| 16:01.00 | Mirell | US driving tests are a giant joke. |
| 16:01.25 | SpeedEvil | http://www.dsa.gov.uk/AddressDetails_Bannered.asp?id=14911&Type=17&Cat=-1 |
| 16:05.04 | Mirell | Huh. |
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| 16:09.19 | prpplague | dijenerate: greetings |
| 16:11.28 | dijenerate | prpplague: howdy |
| 16:11.55 | dijenerate | prpplague: just got back in from 4 customer sites in one morning... all server by C&W |
| 16:12.04 | dijenerate | prpplague: /served |
| 16:12.12 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:12.29 | prpplague | worst customer support i ever had was via c&w |
| 16:13.03 | dijenerate | prpplague: it has reached the point of annoying now, I don't even see it as worthwhile business to have to go a to a customer site because c&w's customer service has caused them network problems |
| 16:13.39 | dijenerate | prpplague: yeah... they are like reigning world champions on bad customer service followed by Sony Computers |
| 16:14.03 | dijenerate | prpplague: there was an islandwide brown-out last night |
| 16:14.13 | dijenerate | prpplague: C&W |
| 16:14.23 | dijenerate | prpplague: C&W's DSL network took a hit |
| 16:14.44 | dijenerate | prpplague: so what do the bastards do this morning when customer call in? |
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| 16:15.12 | dijenerate | prpplague: send the non-tech customers to start tweaking their network settings... |
| 16:15.30 | prpplague | dijenerate: jeeze |
| 16:15.54 | dijenerate | prpplague: all the while telling them that everything is fine on their side so it's the customer's network that's the reason they can't get online |
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| 16:16.39 | dijenerate | prpplague: so we've had endless calls all morning and 7 corporate near-disasters 4 of which I had to go to |
| 16:17.31 | dijenerate | prpplague: worse yet, every customer so far was restored to net service with a simple modem power cycle |
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| 16:18.40 | prpplague | lovely |
| 16:19.37 | dijenerate | prpplague: I think it's time my company enters the ISP market, the local ISPs are taking the Mick |
| 16:20.14 | dijenerate | prpplague: I will need investors for that though, it is a very very expensive undertaking.., |
| 16:20.15 | prpplague | dijenerate: ISP biz is pretty hard |
| 16:20.45 | dijenerate | prpplague: yeah I know that too, but down here, what we need is one good company |
| 16:20.51 | prpplague | indeed |
| 16:21.51 | dijenerate | prpplague: the government it's making it any easier... did you know that the license to operate a cellular provider here is USD1M/yr |
| 16:22.05 | dijenerate | prpplague: /isn't |
| 16:22.21 | prpplague | dijenerate: yea i figured as much |
| 16:22.59 | prpplague | dijenerate: i still haven't figured out why the weather radar info from grantly adams isn't avaible to the general public |
| 16:23.07 | dijenerate | prpplague: for a population of 290k, and landmass of 166sq km that is ridiculous |
| 16:23.26 | dijenerate | prpplague: which info specifically |
| 16:23.35 | dijenerate | prpplague: flight or weather? |
| 16:23.38 | prpplague | dijenerate: weather |
| 16:23.47 | prpplague | dijenerate: they have a state of the art doppler |
| 16:23.57 | prpplague | dijenerate: paid for with tax dollars |
| 16:24.08 | prpplague | dijenerate: but they don't make the images available to anyone outside the airport |
| 16:24.11 | dijenerate | prpplague: they have a 20year old, once state of the art doppler |
| 16:24.36 | prpplague | dijenerate: they updated it back in 2006 |
| 16:25.00 | dijenerate | prpplague: maybe their afraid people would use them for weather forecasting.. then the local channel won't have exclusivity on inaccurate weather |
| 16:25.06 | prpplague | dijenerate: i called in on brass tacks when they first installed it complaining about it |
| 16:25.12 | dijenerate | prpplague: I see, I did not know that |
| 16:25.13 | prpplague | dijenerate: hehe |
| 16:25.53 | prpplague | dijenerate: i got the usual "arrogrant foreigner, if you don't like the way we do it here in barbados, go back to where you came from" |
| 16:25.53 | dijenerate | prpplague: sadly, I live here, but I just use weather.com for my maps and inaccurate forecasts... |
| 16:26.10 | mnemoc | uh |
| 16:26.32 | dijenerate | prpplague: eventually everyone should do that then leave the locals to stew in their own ignorance... |
| 16:27.05 | dijenerate | prpplague: I am a local, my family name has been here for about 2.5 centuries... |
| 16:27.46 | prpplague | dijenerate: i thought you were originally from Canada? |
| 16:27.52 | dijenerate | prpplague: came here as planters and were one of the few planter families to originate from a non-english speaking country, Germany |
| 16:28.10 | dijenerate | prpplague: I grew up there and my mother is from there |
| 16:28.21 | prpplague | dijenerate: ahh interesting, hehe , my wife's family were all red-legs |
| 16:28.23 | dijenerate | prpplague: but my family name is what I'm speaking of |
| 16:28.27 | prpplague | dijenerate: ahh |
| 16:29.25 | dijenerate | prpplague: so do you see my point, local/foreigner... the lines blur |
| 16:29.39 | prpplague | dijenerate: indeed |
| 16:29.51 | prpplague | dijenerate: that was my believe as well |
| 16:30.22 | dijenerate | prpplague: the ones who make the statements about foreigners going back to where they came from don't usually know their own family history or where they came from |
| 16:30.54 | dijenerate | prpplague: I think if everyone else left, they would be unable to function then they would stew in their own ignorance |
| 16:31.01 | prpplague | dijenerate: yea that was also something i found amazing there in barbados was the fact that so many don't know any of the islands history or their own family's history there |
| 16:32.24 | dijenerate | prpplague: my own family tree forks because of a racial divide that happened a little over a century ago... two brothers disowned each other because one married a woman descended from slaves |
| 16:32.46 | dijenerate | prpplague: that's where the bloodline got 'mixed' as people say |
| 16:33.06 | dijenerate | prpplague: now today, we are still few with this name and we all get along |
| 16:33.20 | prpplague | dijenerate: hehe, yea same with my wife's family, they are all King's |
| 16:33.37 | prpplague | dijenerate: King, Cumberbatch , Doude |
| 16:34.00 | dijenerate | prpplague: plus the same thing happened a couple of generations later in the bloodline that wasn't 'mixed' so no matter what anyone looks like, they are all mixed |
| 16:34.11 | prpplague | dijenerate: indeed |
| 16:34.45 | dijenerate | prpplague: well my wife's father is English, she was born in Newcastle but her mother is local |
| 16:35.00 | prpplague | dijenerate: yea lots of that going on as well |
| 16:35.12 | dijenerate | prpplague: my wife is mixed, I am mixed, our children will be... a genetic tossed salad |
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| 16:36.30 | dijenerate | prpplague: I think if people spent less time worrying about their racial heritage and more time thinking about what they can contribute to the world so they can leave it a bit better than they found it, we'd start to make progress as a species |
| 16:37.10 | dijenerate | prpplague: it's important to know who you are yes, but just so that you can tell your children not to marry their cousins... lol |
| 16:37.10 | prpplague | indeed |
| 16:37.27 | prpplague | dijenerate: specially if you have 5000000 cousins |
| 16:37.35 | dijenerate | prpplague: lol |
| 16:38.28 | dijenerate | prpplague: other than that, race is as big a priority to me as the name of the factory worker who boxed the cereal I had for breakfast |
| 16:38.45 | prpplague | dijenerate: hehe |
| 16:40.15 | dijenerate | prpplague: eventually nationality will be the same, but I think that may take another century |
| 16:41.38 | dijenerate | prpplague: superpowers generally don't like to concede power |
| 16:42.39 | prpplague | dijenerate: no politician likes to give up power no matter how big the gov agency it is |
| 16:50.05 | Mirell | Mmm |
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| 17:19.56 | chouimat | morning |
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| 17:29.14 | Mirell | Aaaack, XML stored in a SQL database... |
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| 17:32.56 | mnemoc | that's probably why couchdb and similar things are getting popular |
| 17:34.17 | Mirell | Apache CouchDB is a document-oriented database that can be queried and indexed in a MapReduce fashion using JavaScript. |
| 17:34.20 | Mirell | I don't grok that. |
| 17:34.28 | Mirell | Eye-gloss maneuver. |
| 17:35.00 | prpplague | Mirell: any word on landley's interview? |
| 17:35.05 | mnemoc | as oposite of relational DBs, those document-oriented DBs don't "waste" time in consistency |
| 17:35.16 | Mirell | prpplague: Not yet, it's too soon. |
| 17:35.42 | mnemoc | i thought he applied for .ie.... why was he interviewed in CA? |
| 17:35.53 | prpplague | Mirell: he didn't say if it went well or not? |
| 17:36.05 | mnemoc | prpplague: he said it was well |
| 17:36.29 | solar | he said he wont know till mid week this week |
| 17:36.33 | Mirell | mnemoc: Because that's where they have the main guys, I suppose. |
| 17:38.28 | prpplague | or a plane ticket to ireland for just an interview was too much |
| 17:39.23 | mnemoc | afaik they "always" interview by coworkers on the location you applied.... but the economics may have changed that rule |
| 17:39.55 | mnemoc | gosh.... my english is crap |
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| 17:55.56 | Mirell | prpplague: Yah, I'm figuring it's the international travel thing that makes it irksome for just an interview. |
| 17:56.16 | Mirell | prpplague: At least if you're already in the US, since HQ is here. |
| 17:56.25 | prpplague | yea |
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| 19:28.47 | prpplague | lordy lordy my office is cold |
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| 19:37.39 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: 4C here |
| 19:37.51 | SpeedEvil | chilly. |
| 19:38.04 | SpeedEvil | I'd put some heating on at 4C. |
| 19:38.20 | SpeedEvil | ATM I'm just using the electric blanket. |
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| 19:38.33 | Mirell | Heated futon time! |
| 19:41.02 | chouimat | yay snow! |
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| 19:43.56 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: yea i would too, problem is the office temp is set by the building manager and they don't seem to want to turn on the heat |
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| 20:06.58 | calculus | random fact: at about 4C, water (H2O) reaches maximum density |
| 20:10.16 | Mirell | ...thanks for that info, calculus... |
| 20:11.19 | calculus | :) |
| 20:21.30 | chouimat | calculus: thanks ... I really need to have a glass of water ... |
| 20:22.57 | monkey_ | is the difference between 0x00000000 and 0x00000004 4 bytes? so if i have a single byte register, then the next thing in the struct has to be a padding? |
| 20:29.23 | roxfan | depends on the compiler and packing setting |
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| 20:54.06 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 20:54.10 | prpplague | is it friday yet? |
| 20:54.42 | monkey_ | roxfan: if i used #pragma align=packed? |
| 20:55.20 | roxfan | then yeah, you will need three padding bytes |
| 20:58.12 | chouimat | prpplague: not yet |
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| 21:10.50 | monkey_ | why does the arm architecture only automatically save the pc and cpsr as part of intterrupt processing, as opposed to the processor entire context? |
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| 21:26.35 | davidc__ | monkey_: speed. |
| 21:26.52 | davidc__ | monkey_: also, FIQ has a few more shadow registers |
| 21:28.46 | monkey_ | where does it save the pc and cpsr? |
| 21:30.37 | davidc__ | monkey_: go read the ARM Architecture reference manual |
| 21:30.59 | monkey_ | okie dokie |
| 21:32.54 | roxfan | cortex-m also saves sp and r0-r3 |
| 21:33.06 | roxfan | so you can write interrupt handlers in C |
| 21:33.45 | monkey_ | that's cool |
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| 22:15.09 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 22:15.14 | prpplague | so much to do, so little time |
| 22:16.40 | Mirell | prpplague: Indeed. |
| 22:17.00 | Mirell | Hmm...my cell phone reception has gotten worse in the office. |
| 22:17.31 | prpplague | Mirell: they probably have a cell blocker in the building |
| 22:17.57 | Mirell | prpplague: No, actually, it's because we're in a bunker almost, and I think the repeater doohickey has gotten out of focus |
| 22:18.25 | prpplague | ahh |
| 22:28.36 | Mirell | Argh why do they set up an internal Jabber server but most of the people I want to talk to don't use it... |
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