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04:51.09S_AHi! Is there any document on kdrive ? advantage of kdrive with respect to other display systems or anything else related to kdrive ?
04:52.52solarkdrive is no more
04:53.20solarXorg minimal has more or less replaced it
04:53.38solarit's not as small as it used to be overall. But it's more flexible
04:53.55solarold kdrive still works like a charm. You just pass all the parms you need
04:57.26S_ABy Xorg minimal, do you mean Xorg with --enable-kdrive option ?
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05:19.26S_Asolar: Can you tell me how much size difference (almost) is there is xorg minimal and kdrive ?
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05:28.25solarS_A: does the git/svn still support the option ?
05:28.38solarif so. By all means make use of it. I'm a fan myself
05:29.01solarbut it's going away.
05:29.18S_Asolar: You mean enable-kdrive option ?
05:29.20solarupstream keith is content with xorg it seems
05:29.36solaryes --enable-foo
05:29.46S_A:) ok
05:30.19S_AWhat size difference (almost) do you find in xorg minimal and kdrive ?
05:30.34solarI thought it was dropped at 1.(6|7)
05:30.54solarI don't have the stats handy
05:31.03S_Asolar: I do not know
05:31.04solarreally we are talking less then a meg
05:31.31S_AYou mean Xorg Minimal can be less than 1 MB ?
05:32.03solarno
05:33.35solarXorg itself moved in the direction of kdrive but vs building in what it needed it became minimal loader.
05:34.04solarso Xorg handles privs and then loads the drivers..
05:34.35solarso the size of what you really have to deal with in the future seems to be based on what xorg-video driver you really require
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09:36.11PureSinedoes anyone know a channel that I can find some gurus in DSP (Digital Signal Processing) ?
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14:44.02prpplaguewmat: ping
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14:48.10wmatprpplague: pong
14:48.57prpplaguewmat: hey, we probably need to get with TimB to discuss a couple policy items on the wiki
14:49.19prpplaguewmat: one i'm increasingly concerned about is a language policy
14:49.49prpplaguewmat: the other is how to properly handle company wiki pages
14:50.11wmatyeah, both of those items have been bugging me for some time as well
14:52.47prpplaguewmat: i don't mind having either one, just prefer there be some rules
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15:59.23sjhillhas anyone ran into modprobe or depmod failing on a read only root file system?
15:59.49sjhillthey're trying to write to the modules.dep files and friends, which makes sense, but how does one handle this cleanly without doing a remount,rw and then remount,ro back again
16:00.03SpeedEvildepmod should fail I think if it can't write to /etc/
16:00.05SpeedEviloh
16:00.18SpeedEviltmpfs
16:00.45sjhillso what, mount rw, copy my entire lib/modules directory to a tmpfs?>
16:00.49SpeedEvilno
16:01.03SpeedEviljust /tmp
16:01.05SpeedEvilerr
16:01.12SpeedEvilwork out what it's wtiting rahter
16:02.12SpeedEvildepmod seems to have various options that might be of use
16:02.29SpeedEvilAnd logically, you don't want to run it anyway
16:02.37SpeedEvilyou run it before the FS gets mounted rw
16:02.42SpeedEviland then don't run it again
16:02.42SpeedEvilerr
16:02.47SpeedEvilbefore gets mounted ro
16:03.16sjhillwhich has been done
16:03.22sjhillmodprobe is fialing now
16:03.25sjhillfailing
16:04.33SpeedEvilyou can call it with -q - which will abort if there is no newer module file
16:04.42SpeedEvilthan but - why run it at all
16:13.32sjhill-q did not work
16:13.43sjhillmaybe it's busybox modutils that have issues
16:14.23SpeedEvil-q was from memory - check hte manpage.
16:14.27SpeedEvilWhy run it at all?
16:14.33SpeedEvilOther than at module install time
16:14.46sjhillmodprobe?
16:14.58SpeedEvildepmod
16:15.05sjhilldepmod i fixed
16:15.17SpeedEvilsorry - feeling really horrid today.
16:15.23sjhilli'll run that at install time
16:15.29sjhillmodprobe is the issue now
16:15.29SpeedEvil:/
16:15.37SpeedEvilI've not had good results with busybox
16:20.41sjhillok
16:20.54sjhillthx for your assistance
16:35.49PureSineanyone knows a channel about DSP ?
16:40.37prpplaguesjhill: hey bud
16:40.44prpplaguesjhill: what's cookin? long time no see
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18:09.01MirellSo new job has about as much social interaction as old job, except I have to commute to sit by myself.
18:11.26mnemocMirell: where are you now?
18:11.48Mirellmnemoc: BreakingPoint
18:12.15mnemochttp://www.breakingpointsystems.com/ <-- this?
18:12.19MirellDa.
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18:43.06wmatCodeSourcery is hiring, in case anyone here is interested in toolchain, or HPC work
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19:23.39MirellMan, I love sleep so much...
19:31.16SpeedEvilMirell: Sleep is good.
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20:19.13chouimathi
20:23.13Mirell'lo chouimat
20:29.23chouimatanything interesting today?
20:30.26MirellNot particularly.
20:31.21chouimatsame here ...
20:33.57MirellManaged to remember to eat more today...
20:34.02MirellThat's about my only accomplishment.
20:45.43chouimatMirell: I'm must be really bored because I'm trying to install debian in hercules
20:46.00Mirellchouimat: That's...that's deep levels of boredom.
20:48.02chouimatyou can't imagine
21:23.05davidc__wmat: compiling my own toolchains drives me nuts enough; I don't think I could do it for other people and retain my sanity ;)
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