| 00:05.03 | landley | prpplague: uh sorry here. Cheese on bread man already? Yeah. You break? Uh-huh. You break already? (and so on for a while)... |
| 00:06.05 | landley | prpplague: not a cent in my pocket not a cent in my wallet not a cent here I tell you here I break. |
| 00:06.13 | landley | It's a rather insipid... "song" is too strong a word. |
| 00:06.36 | landley | Not listening to more of it. |
| 00:46.04 | Mirell | landley: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=414TmP12WAU |
| 01:09.52 | landley | Mirell: you are a strange person. |
| 01:10.21 | davidc__ | landley: we already knew this |
| 01:14.13 | roxfan | there are non-strange people on irc? |
| 01:14.36 | solar | not really |
| 01:17.16 | Mirell | APPLE JUICE |
| 01:19.40 | solar | picked up 64oz of organic aj about 15mins ago |
| 01:19.47 | solar | good stuff |
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| 01:24.16 | calculus | mmm... fruit punch |
| 01:24.25 | Mirell | http://twitpic.com/tocmu |
| 01:24.32 | SpeedEvil | Eat apples! |
| 01:24.49 | calculus | pssh, I program on them all day :P |
| 01:25.05 | solar | ha |
| 01:25.15 | Mirell | God damn blackbirds |
| 01:26.01 | kergoth | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8408233.stm is awesome |
| 01:26.52 | solar | yeah saw that one yesterday :) |
| 01:27.04 | kergoth | :) |
| 01:28.17 | SpeedEvil | neat |
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| 02:54.37 | landley | Mirell: I see you all of that and raise http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAg5KjnAhuU |
| 02:55.11 | Mirell | landley: And I counter with http://www.boingboing.net/2009/12/14/vaguely-surprised-ki.html |
| 02:59.36 | landley | Far and away the best part of that is the name "incompetech". |
| 03:40.29 | kergoth | landley: the mk2fs call in fwl, should probably explicitly point to the sbin path, or manipulate PATH. not all users have the sbin paths in their paths by default. distros don't generally include them for non-root by default, power-users generally add them, but shouldn't rely on it |
| 03:40.33 | Mirell | All right! |
| 03:40.41 | kergoth | just had to add to his path to do a run-from-build.sh :) |
| 03:40.46 | Mirell | Someone got me the 35 Year DVD collection of General Hospital! |
| 03:40.52 | kergoth | wow |
| 03:41.00 | Mirell | Only 3,000 DVDs! |
| 03:41.14 | kergoth | .. |
| 03:41.17 | kergoth | sheesh |
| 03:41.35 | Mirell | It's easily worth dedicating two full bookcases to... |
| 03:41.52 | kergoth | grats, then |
| 03:42.03 | Mirell | Heh. |
| 03:42.22 | Mirell | If either that existed or someone gave that to me, I'd have them or me committed. |
| 03:43.01 | kergoth | heh, or both |
| 03:44.20 | landley | kergoth: the sources/includes.sh adds build/host to the $PATH if you've run ./host-tools.sh. |
| 03:44.36 | landley | I.E. I build all the stuff I use from source code, then restrict the existing $PATH to point to _just_ that directory. |
| 03:44.49 | landley | It's a bit like the Linux From Scratch chapter 5. It's an environment sanitizing step. |
| 03:45.06 | landley | In my case it's optional (if you skip host-tools.sh it'll use your host $PATH verbatim), but then setting it up properly is your problem. |
| 03:45.13 | kergoth | ah |
| 03:45.28 | kergoth | well, this ran build.sh, which ran host-tools.sh, and there's no mke2fs. this is hg tip. maybe just a bug then? |
| 03:45.35 | kergoth | ran build.sh, then run-from-build.sh |
| 03:45.59 | kergoth | tries a release :) |
| 03:46.01 | landley | kergoth: possibly. |
| 03:46.11 | kergoth | likes bleeding on the edge |
| 03:46.17 | landley | Oh, hang on, I vaguely do remember this issue... |
| 03:47.33 | landley | kergoth: http://landley.net/hg/firmware/rev/636 |
| 03:47.55 | kergoth | ah, thanks |
| 03:48.29 | landley | Yeah, that got removed when run-from-build.sh was massively simplified. I should probably put it back in the system-image/run-emulator.sh scripts. |
| 03:49.56 | landley | Of course some distros don't have the "which" command. There's only so much you can do. :) |
| 03:50.22 | landley | Yeah, I think it does belong in run-from-build.sh now that I think of it. |
| 03:50.28 | landley | Eh, deal with it in the morning. :) |
| 03:50.31 | landley | Thanks for the heads up. |
| 03:51.05 | landley | (Right now I'm doing a largeish refactoring/cleanup of ccwrap.c, which has broken my local version rather badly. Need to finish that before doing much else...) |
| 04:29.44 | Mirell | Hmm... |
| 04:29.50 | Mirell | needs to update his resume |
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| 16:21.33 | pingbat | hey |
| 16:21.33 | pingbat | still suffering with this vsync interrupt |
| 16:21.33 | pingbat | i've looked at the vsync signal on a scope and it goes low once at about 30Hz |
| 16:22.12 | pingbat | but the damn interrupt is still triggering ridiculously fast |
| 16:22.12 | SpeedEvil | 30hz is usually too low for most LCDs to work |
| 16:22.12 | SpeedEvil | or are you still having the fast triggering |
| 16:22.59 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 16:22.59 | pingbat | ? |
| 16:23.00 | pingbat | the lcd works |
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| 16:27.41 | Mirell | prpplague! |
| 16:27.44 | Mirell | Entertain me. |
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| 16:28.02 | pingbat | just the well, 40Hz |
| 16:28.12 | prpplague | dances a little jig and then does the moonwalk |
| 16:28.30 | prpplague | Mirell: whats cookin? |
| 16:29.25 | SpeedEvil | pingbat: you've read over hte LCD controller, interrupt controller? |
| 16:29.31 | SpeedEvil | pingbat: and any errata? |
| 16:29.49 | SpeedEvil | pingbat: and if it's a shared interrupt for some reason, you're sure it's the LCD controller? |
| 16:31.36 | Mirell | prpplague: Nothing much. Don't get to fly to NYC, alas. |
| 16:31.52 | pingbat | ok, disabling the lcd interrupt but leaving the interrupt channel enabled |
| 16:31.57 | pingbat | and it still triggers |
| 16:32.08 | pingbat | so shared interrupt issue ... |
| 16:32.13 | prpplague | Mirell: oh? |
| 16:32.36 | SpeedEvil | ;) |
| 16:32.48 | Mirell | prpplague: Oh, just applied to Fog Creek, only two phone interviews, no in-person one. |
| 16:33.38 | prpplague | Mirell: ahh |
| 16:34.18 | pingbat | embedded can be a bastard |
| 16:34.22 | pingbat | :-) |
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| 16:42.59 | pingbat | SpeedEvil: you are my hero |
| 16:43.53 | prpplague | Mirell: think the phone interview didn't go well? |
| 16:44.21 | Mirell | prpplague: I'm not going to think too much about it, it's a 25-30ish person company, and it's really well known. |
| 16:44.40 | Mirell | prpplague: So they can be ultra, ultra picky. |
| 16:44.47 | prpplague | Mirell: yea, still to even get a interview is pretty dandy |
| 16:44.59 | Mirell | Indeedie. |
| 16:45.14 | prpplague | gets joel's newsletter |
| 16:45.21 | Mirell | My interview skills have gotten progressively better. |
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| 16:47.40 | pingbat | SpeedEvil: you are my hero |
| 16:48.10 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:48.34 | pingbat | grovels |
| 16:48.47 | chouimat | wants to go back to sleep ... |
| 16:49.02 | SpeedEvil | pingbat: issue bit me waaaay back in the day - though on x86 |
| 16:49.21 | SpeedEvil | Remember what Holmes said. |
| 16:49.46 | pingbat | "Watson, have you seen my pipe?" |
| 16:49.54 | pingbat | or something else |
| 16:51.08 | SpeedEvil | no, 'They were the footprints of a giant hound!' |
| 16:51.52 | pingbat | look for the obvious first? |
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| 17:53.54 | CosmicPenguin | I just sent an email so extreme, it crashed my MUA |
| 17:53.56 | CosmicPenguin | THats how I roll |
| 17:54.05 | kergoth | smooth |
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| 19:30.51 | landley | Morning. |
| 19:31.03 | kergoth | morning |
| 19:31.14 | landley | kergoth: how goes stuff? |
| 19:31.55 | kergoth | In scm hell at the moment... having a local repository that contains a subset of upstream, and then trying to figure out what has and hasn't gone in each direction is a pain in the ass.. |
| 19:31.56 | kergoth | you? |
| 19:35.40 | prpplague | landley: greetings |
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| 19:58.47 | prpplague | landley: what's cookin today |
| 19:58.49 | prpplague | landley: ? |
| 19:59.21 | prpplague | wonders if this is what Mirell was working on - http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Cisco-AP-541N-Wireless-Access-Point/ |
| 20:06.18 | kergoth | thinks he's going to give up on tracking OE at the commit level entirely |
| 20:06.23 | kergoth | grumbles |
| 20:10.01 | prpplague | kicks off an angstrom OE build |
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| 20:21.38 | landley | prpplague: off in another window trying to beat a not-mips router into submission. |
| 20:22.18 | landley | prpplague: http://landley.net/notes-2009.html#14-12-2009 |
| 20:22.51 | landley | kergoth: which scm are they using? |
| 20:23.02 | landley | I tend to jump from release to release of projects that'll let me get away with it. |
| 20:23.18 | landley | (Mostly busybox. With the linux kernel it's -rc drops.) |
| 20:23.19 | prpplague | landley: dandy |
| 20:23.37 | landley | I'm internally referring to it as "ICBINM". |
| 20:23.40 | landley | I can't believe it's not mips. |
| 20:23.58 | landley | Apparently, neither could mips's lawyers. But China's still knocking 'em out by the millions for a song... |
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| 20:39.30 | landley | The ddos continues, I see. I wonder why? |
| 20:40.14 | roxfan | someone on freenode pissed of a brazilian, i guess |
| 20:40.33 | landley | Not that it's actually important some 12 year old in dontcareistan got... Brazil? |
| 20:40.35 | SpeedEvil | Don't you have to pay for that? |
| 20:40.38 | SpeedEvil | Oh - off. |
| 20:40.46 | roxfan | er yea, off |
| 20:41.10 | landley | I'm told brazilians get itchy after a couple days, but I suppose it's not fundamentally different than shaving armpits, so... |
| 20:41.12 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 20:41.34 | landley | is just wondering how brazilians entered into the conversation. |
| 20:43.14 | roxfan | well, on other networks it's usually them who like using ddos as an argument |
| 20:44.53 | kergoth | landley: both oe and mv are using git. git's great for some things, but tracking cherry picks between long lived branches isn't one of them |
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| 20:50.48 | Mirell | prpplague: Nope |
| 20:51.00 | prpplague | Mirell: hehe |
| 20:51.02 | prpplague | oh well |
| 20:51.17 | Mirell | It was the MediaHub v2 |
| 20:57.46 | landley | u-boot is moving to GPLv3. |
| 20:57.48 | landley | That sucks. |
| 20:57.53 | kergoth | bah |
| 20:57.57 | landley | It was an interesting project. We should hold a wake. |
| 20:58.16 | landley | Apparently the GPLv2 successor project is called "barebox". |
| 20:58.24 | CosmicPenguin | meh - arm loaders are a dime a dozen |
| 20:58.45 | landley | Yeah, but u-boot supported arm and powerpc and so on. |
| 20:58.53 | landley | It had the potential to be a generic cross-platform bootloader. |
| 20:58.58 | landley | We've been having a discussion over on cedev. |
| 21:00.01 | CosmicPenguin | bah - I eschew the concept of a cross platform bootloader - exhibit A - EFI |
| 21:01.55 | landley | There are two stages to any boot rom, and mixing the two is _STUPID_. |
| 21:02.01 | landley | The first stage can never be cross platform. |
| 21:02.12 | landley | I wrote this up somewhere... |
| 21:02.43 | CosmicPenguin | So then really you are talking about a cross-platform library of some sort |
| 21:03.32 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.coreboot.org/Libpayload |
| 21:05.17 | SpeedEvil | also - ideal featurefull bootloaders are usually bad |
| 21:05.29 | SpeedEvil | get it booting, and don't fuck with it. |
| 21:07.02 | calculus | but splashscreen, animations and bootup sounds are cool |
| 21:10.18 | SpeedEvil | is surprised at teh boot time of his new phone - ~30s. |
| 21:10.23 | SpeedEvil | which isn't bad at all. |
| 21:10.26 | SpeedEvil | n900 |
| 21:10.33 | SpeedEvil | more like 20 actually |
| 21:11.32 | CosmicPenguin | faster then the G1 |
| 21:12.28 | SpeedEvil | currently I'm wandering around the kernel source looking for fun things to poke people towards developing. Already got a flashlight app using the camera flash LEDs. |
| 21:14.32 | calculus | landley: you should update this, http://www.impactlinux.com/fwl/about.html, to the new version and date |
| 21:18.08 | landley | CosmicPenguin: no, coreboot _is_ the stage 1 hardware specific bootloader. |
| 21:18.18 | landley | Something like lilo is stage 2. |
| 21:19.51 | landley | CosmicPenguin: see http://tree.celinuxforum.org/pipermail/celinux-dev/2009-December/001870.html which links to http://lists.impactlinux.com/pipermail/firmware-impactlinux.com/2009-October/000377.html |
| 21:20.45 | landley | SpeedEvil: the point is that lots of people know uboot, and know how to use it to tftp and boot a new kernel and such. |
| 21:22.06 | calculus | also your pentium ii descript |
| 21:22.29 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 21:22.41 | calculus | ion has a pentium iii screenshot |
| 21:23.03 | landley | calculus: pentium II descript in the screenshots page? |
| 21:23.09 | calculus | landley: yep |
| 21:23.09 | landley | Just updated the about page. (Oops, sorry 'bout that.) |
| 21:23.26 | calculus | I had a newline in there |
| 21:23.27 | landley | I'm actually redoing the entire screenshots page, based on a new style sheet and template from Denys Vlasenko. |
| 21:23.42 | calculus | cool |
| 21:23.43 | landley | I've just gotten kinda buried in other todo items, some of which pay money. :) |
| 21:23.55 | calculus | money is good |
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| 21:24.43 | landley | Pentium is i586, pentium II is i686 (since Intel seems determined to pretend the pentium pro NEVER EXISTED), pentium III would sort of be i786 but nobody ever describes it that way... |
| 21:24.45 | landley | is confused. |
| 21:25.08 | MonMotha | anyone know any low cost (!!) ethernet to 802.11 bridge solutions? |
| 21:25.21 | calculus | landley: sorry, the cat /proc/cpuinfo is Pentium III |
| 21:25.32 | landley | calculus: because that's what qemu is emulating. |
| 21:25.35 | MonMotha | landley: eh, Pentium II was basically a Pentium Pro + MMX + on-module cache |
| 21:25.51 | MonMotha | I agree; I don't know why they pretend the PPro never existed, but the PII is pretty close |
| 21:26.00 | MonMotha | PIII is basically a PII with SSE and onboard cache |
| 21:26.05 | landley | It's doing qemu -cpu pentium. |
| 21:26.15 | MonMotha | P4 would be i786, if anything but they I don't think ever called it that |
| 21:26.59 | landley | p4 doesn't count. |
| 21:27.03 | landley | It was an evolutionary dead end. |
| 21:27.10 | landley | Pentium M was derived from PIII. |
| 21:27.14 | MonMotha | agreec |
| 21:27.15 | MonMotha | d |
| 21:27.21 | calculus | landley: I am only confused because the text says i686 Pentium II but cat /proc/cpuinfo in the corresponding screenshot says Pentium III and I am just try to understand the discrepancy |
| 21:27.22 | landley | Core duo and core 2 duo were derived from pentium M. |
| 21:27.26 | MonMotha | P4 would have been cool if they could have actually gotten it to the predicted 8GHz |
| 21:27.54 | MonMotha | but yes, the new stuff is more similar to the PIII than Netburst |
| 21:28.11 | landley | goes to recheck the system image from the last release... |
| 21:28.45 | landley | huh, do I have the wrong screenshot for that one? |
| 21:28.56 | landley | cpu family: 5 |
| 21:28.56 | landley | model: 4 |
| 21:28.56 | landley | model name: Pentium MMX |
| 21:29.06 | calculus | next one |
| 21:29.24 | calculus | maybe wrong description, but correct screenshot |
| 21:30.03 | landley | Oh, that. |
| 21:30.29 | landley | Yeah, that's PII or higher. QEMU is emulating the x86-32 default. |
| 21:30.37 | landley | I didn't specify a cpu for that one. |
| 21:30.41 | landley | The description is oversimplified. :) |
| 21:31.04 | landley | What I need to do is update the sources/targets/$ARCH/description files, and then have the screenshots.sh script parse those when putting together the web page. |
| 21:31.10 | landley | It's on the todo list. :) |
| 21:31.43 | landley | I'm a bit vague about what the differences are between PII and PIII from a programming perspective. |
| 21:31.54 | landley | Doesn't really come up much... |
| 21:32.19 | landley | Laptops were PII forever (because PIII ate too much power), so everything was built for them, and then we went to x86-64. |
| 21:33.22 | Spida | landley: p3-tualatin was the only usable pIII |
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| 21:37.11 | MonMotha | landley: IIRC, the only real programming difference is the addition of SSE instructions and maybe some minor pipeline features |
| 21:37.33 | MonMotha | they did bring the L2 cache on board, which brought up its speed and lowered latency |
| 21:37.55 | landley | Pipeline features are pure optimization stuff, potentially instruction ordering and branch prediction and stuff but it's got its own reorder buffer in the chip already. |
| 21:38.04 | landley | The SSE stuff is floating point, side issue. |
| 21:38.06 | MonMotha | right, x86 always completed in order |
| 21:38.11 | MonMotha | *completes |
| 21:39.29 | landley | They were doing speculative execution 10 years ago. |
| 21:39.29 | MonMotha | yes, and they were at least smart enough to make sure that said speculative execution had no side-effects, unlike the MIPS guys |
| 21:39.29 | landley | Bringing L2 cache onboard is great from a performance perspective, but doesn't change the programming part much. |
| 21:39.29 | MonMotha | nope, again just optmization/profiling |
| 21:39.29 | landley | (Other than estimating how big your loops can be to stay "in cache".) |
| 21:39.29 | landley | So yeah, i686 is PII and PIII both. |
| 21:39.45 | MonMotha | P2->P3 was minor stuff other than addition of SSE |
| 21:39.57 | landley | And all the software tweaking you'd do to distinguish between them might buy about three weeks of Moore's Law speed increases. (Twirl one upwardly-pointed finger slowly. Say "yay" very quietly.) |
| 21:40.31 | MonMotha | eh, depends, but in general, yes |
| 21:40.51 | MonMotha | it's rare these days that one can justify any hand-tweaking for that sort of thing |
| 21:41.09 | MonMotha | it can be worth messing with if you're writing a compiler, but even then, that minor level of things isn't usually a huge deal |
| 21:41.20 | landley | Does CELF have a freenode channel? |
| 21:41.21 | MonMotha | often just a few cases to look for/watch out for |
| 21:41.41 | landley | MonMotha: only compiler I dealt with from the inside much was tinycc, and it didn't distinguish between _any_ x86 variant. :) |
| 21:41.50 | MonMotha | heh, yeah |
| 21:42.07 | landley | I had a lot I wanted to do on that, but alas my efforts kicked the original development project back to live just enough that I felt uncomfortable continuing. |
| 21:42.11 | MonMotha | even gcc does I think do a few things depending on if you ask for "generic 686" or "Pentium 4" |
| 21:42.18 | landley | And then they turned into "all windows, all the time, and we don't do any other development". Sigh. |
| 21:42.31 | landley | Oh the pentium 4 needed lots of mitigation. |
| 21:42.35 | MonMotha | right |
| 21:42.44 | landley | It was a crappy chip that made you jump through hoops to not hit pathological edge cases. |
| 21:42.46 | MonMotha | anything that caused a pipeline flush had a HUGE performance penalty |
| 21:43.05 | landley | When a standard dram fetch to a new bank can cost you _three_thousand_ clock cycles, you pay attention to 'em. |
| 21:43.15 | MonMotha | yup |
| 21:43.27 | landley | But a lot of that was going around at Intel at the time. The itanic was built entirely out of that. |
| 21:43.36 | landley | They got it out of their system when AMD started eating their lunch for a few years. |
| 21:43.50 | MonMotha | the Pentium 4 is an interesting real-world example of what happens when you get too close to the academic "infinitely pipeline processor" |
| 21:44.04 | MonMotha | you can clock it infinitely fast, but it never gets anything done because nothing ever finishes |
| 21:44.41 | MonMotha | didn't help that you just couldn't scale DRAM access speeds (latency OR bandwidth) up to the clock speeds they were targeting (and never reached, anyway) for that architecture |
| 21:45.28 | MonMotha | there are people who have gotten cherry-picked chips up to like 7GHz. With the right workload (fits in cache, minimal branching), they absolutely fly. |
| 21:45.53 | MonMotha | unfortunately, they don't do so well on real-world workflows |
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| 21:50.41 | landley | And you need liquid nitrogen to cool them. |
| 21:50.51 | landley | Power consumption increases exponentially with clock speed. |
| 21:50.59 | MonMotha | oh, I didn't say they were easy to cool :) |
| 21:51.01 | landley | Getting your trace lengths down doesn't fix that part. |
| 21:51.05 | MonMotha | nope |
| 21:53.23 | MonMotha | you can get a P4 to 7GHz on a phase-change refrigeration system, but LN2 doesn't hurt |
| 21:58.29 | landley | You could probably get an arm or an alpha up there with sufficient cryogenics and modern manufacturing processes too. The question remains: why? |
| 21:58.44 | MonMotha | like I said, if you have the right workload, they are very fast |
| 21:59.11 | landley | I'm much more of a fan of things like the arm approach. Just plain short trace links. No pipelines of infinite stage, just keep it _simple_. |
| 21:59.22 | landley | If you have the right workload a beowulf cluster is very fast too. |
| 21:59.28 | MonMotha | oh, don't get me wrong, I'm no P4 apologist |
| 21:59.40 | MonMotha | I think it was dumb, but it is a little interesting if approached from an academic viewpoitn |
| 21:59.44 | landley | I'm looking forward to about 2015. |
| 21:59.44 | MonMotha | I think ARM is a very good arch |
| 21:59.57 | landley | Circa 2011 or so we should start getting cheap chips with 3D acceleration integrated on die. |
| 21:59.59 | MonMotha | give me my 1GHz+ Cortex-A8 |
| 22:00.08 | landley | By around 2015, Linux should support them reasonably well. :) |
| 22:00.36 | landley | Give me a Linux toolchain that can output _code_ for the sucker that isn't GPLv3. |
| 22:01.16 | MonMotha | I thought that output of a GPLv3 app was not subject to GPLv3, or am I mistaken? |
| 22:01.26 | landley | I don't care. |
| 22:01.34 | landley | It's like needing to boot windows to flash the thing. |
| 22:01.47 | landley | There's a flaw in the process. |
| 22:01.51 | MonMotha | I'm not opposed to the concept of GPLv3, though I think it should have been a separate license rather than "the continuation of the GPL" |
| 22:02.01 | landley | They tried it, it was called CDDL. |
| 22:02.11 | MonMotha | then again, I never liked the "or any later version" crap in the GPL application template |
| 22:02.17 | landley | Open Solaris was originally under it. |
| 22:02.46 | landley | If the organization putting out successor licenses had been sane, it wouldn't have been as much of an issue. But the FSF, that was a problem. |
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| 22:37.14 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
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| 22:42.48 | prpplague | pokes landley in the eye with a sharp stick |
| 22:43.51 | MonMotha | prpplague: know any cheap (!!) ethernet to wifi bridges? |
| 22:44.05 | MonMotha | hacking up a consumer product is acceptable (and the current plan) |
| 22:44.29 | prpplague | MonMotha: quantify cheap? |
| 22:44.50 | CosmicPenguin | sigh, there is so much i don't know about GLSL |
| 22:45.15 | prpplague | me too, even what the heck it stands for |
| 22:46.37 | MonMotha | prpplague: $20-40 range. There are some consumer products at the top end of that. |
| 22:46.59 | prpplague | MonMotha: ahh |
| 22:47.07 | MonMotha | I'd like something designed for OEM usage if possible just so that I don't have to worry as much about it changing next week and possibly to give me some more friendly mechanical options. |
| 22:48.28 | prpplague | MonMotha: well, personally i;d recommend the the ngw100, and just add wifi to it, but i think that is probably out of your price range |
| 22:49.20 | prpplague | MonMotha: how many do you need? |
| 22:49.31 | MonMotha | well, the idea here is that I have a workable design aside from the wifi, but it does have wired ethernet, so I can just bridge that to wifi using a COTS device |
| 22:49.41 | MonMotha | I currently need 2, but maybe a few more as time goes on |
| 22:50.08 | MonMotha | I'm thinking of just buying one of those wireless "gaming adapters", tearing it out of the plastic box, and mounting inside my enclosure |
| 22:50.43 | MonMotha | so what if the management interface is netgear branded :) |
| 22:54.50 | kergoth | hmmmm |
| 22:57.06 | prpplague | MonMotha: indeed |
| 22:58.46 | SpeedEvil | MonMotha: fon? |
| 22:58.57 | prpplague | tries to decide on some hardware changes |
| 22:59.20 | SpeedEvil | ok - way out of price range |
| 22:59.38 | prpplague | worn out and decides to go home and drink beer |
| 22:59.42 | prpplague | later folks |
| 23:05.49 | MonMotha | SpeedEvil: I'm trying to avoid having to do major firmware hackery on a consumer device |
| 23:06.02 | MonMotha | hence e.g. a WRT54GL has been considered and rejected as an option |
| 23:07.52 | Mirell | landley: http://consumerist.com/2009/12/mcdonalds-to-offer-free-wifi.html |
| 23:15.19 | landley | prpplague: hmmm? |
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| 23:15.48 | landley | Mirell: oh good. |
| 23:15.55 | prpplague | throws AOL cd's like ninja stars at landley |
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| 23:16.09 | landley | I note that it was free here in Austin before the corporate rollout of for-pay wifi, which took the free wifi away. |
| 23:16.19 | landley | My problem right now is my laptop battery life is down to about half an hour. :( |
| 23:16.25 | landley | needs a new battery _again_. |
| 23:16.31 | landley | prpplague: is there a reason? |
| 23:16.54 | prpplague | landley just a good stress relief outlet |
| 23:16.59 | prpplague | jokes with landley |
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| 23:17.05 | prpplague | landley any word on google? |
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| 23:18.41 | SpeedEvil | MonMotha: yeah |
| 23:19.03 | SpeedEvil | landley: thinkpad? |
| 23:19.51 | prpplague | landley Mirell's interview at Fog Creek didn't go anywhere, but i heard that Smog Creek is really interested in Mirell |
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| 23:22.12 | SpeedEvil | landley: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Tp_smapi - for example - reducing the max battery charge level to 85% has _remarkable_ effects on battery life |
| 23:23.51 | florian | is able to confirm this |
| 23:23.53 | Mirell | whacks prpplague |
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