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03:36.05dijenerateprpplague_afk: happy new year
03:36.11dijeneratekergoth: happy new year
03:36.38dijenerateprpplague: happy new year
03:50.56Mirell...why am I reading about the gopher protocol
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06:02.33MirellHappy Newish Year.
06:02.33MirellSlightly used.
06:06.51solarheh thanks. 2 hrs to go here
06:27.15prpplague~seen sjhill
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14:03.38SpeedEvilprpplague: Quick! Limit 5 per customer! https://www.50dollarbuffalo.com/?mid=663752
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17:17.13MirellHah: https://issues.apache.org/SpamAssassin/show_bug.cgi?id=6269
17:17.42SpeedEvilI prefer the tuesday bug.
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17:26.58prpplaguegreetings earthlings
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17:41.50chouimat|awayprpplague: happy f* new year ;)
17:42.03prpplaguechouimat|away: same to you!
17:42.06prpplaguechouimat|away: hangover?
17:42.13chouimatprpplague: no
17:42.48chouimatprpplague: I tried a new thing this year: each beer was followed by a glass of water
17:44.08prpplaguechouimat: dandy
17:44.16prpplagues/water/rum
17:45.10chouimatnot sure the rum will be good against the hangover ;)
17:46.52prpplaguehehe
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20:36.03prpplaguewmat: ping
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21:06.22wmatprpplague: pong
21:09.39prpplaguewmat: have a look at http://www.rad-tech-labs.org and see how it looks when you have time
21:09.47prpplaguewmat: got all the broken link fixed
21:13.39wmatprpplague: looks awesome
21:13.59prpplaguehehe i wouldn't say awesome, more like passable, hehe
21:14.10wmatvery professional looking
21:14.56prpplaguegood that's what i was going for
21:15.07prpplaguewmat: i need to add some more pages about the different services
21:17.27wmatbtw, .org doesn't resolve but .com does
21:17.48prpplaguewmat: sorry typo, its .com
21:17.58prpplaguewmat: so used to typing in elinux.org
21:18.24prpplagueho ho hum
21:18.42prpplaguewmat: gotta hit the phones/email on monday looking for more contracts
21:19.13prpplagueTCT wants me to do a lcd board for the beagle
21:19.44wmatcool
21:20.35prpplaguewmat: what are you working on these days?
21:20.55prpplaguewmat: i was going to submit a proposal for CELF work, but didn't get it done before the deadline
21:21.09wmatworking for Renesas right now on their OSS portal
21:21.19prpplaguewmat: OH nice
21:21.35wmatyeah, i'm enjoying it
21:21.52wmati'm a bit of a Superh fanboy ;)
21:22.18prpplaguedon't they have some arm cores too?
21:22.36wmati believe so
21:23.06prpplaguewmat: bunch of the toyota electrics are from Renesas
21:23.09prpplaguewmat: most of the MFD in the prius is Renesas parts
21:23.17wmatthey're merging with NEC in March/April though, so we'll see what happens
21:23.39prpplagueoh?
21:23.43prpplaguethat figures
21:23.55prpplaguethe other half of the toyota parts are nec, hehe
21:24.34prpplaguewmat: http://www.elinux.org/AVC-LAN#Hardware
21:27.14wmatneat
21:42.26ds2happy new years!
21:44.39prpplagueds2: whatever....... that is soooooo like last year
21:45.00Redhatterds2: No need to rush 2010 any quicker thanks ;-)
21:54.54ds2faster is better
21:59.36prpplaguedoesn't understand why more business don't allow telecommute for contracts
21:59.37Redhatter2009 disappeared fast enough thanks
22:09.12ercanihello
22:10.58prpplagueercani: hello^2
22:11.24ercanihappy new year
22:11.52ercaniI have asked about server on embedded linux
22:12.16ercaniI decided to use atom cpu
22:21.45ercanilinux server edition on atom 1.6  can handle incoming gps data from 200 - 300 users?
22:23.41RedhatterDepends how quickly they are requesting/sending GPS data I suppose.
22:24.48ercanisay every 2 min
22:25.26RedhatterI suppose it would handle storing that... beyond that it'd depend on what it's doing with it.
22:26.37ercaniit will store all data, and some embedded users will connect to see the location from desired data
22:26.50RedhatterMight do the job
22:27.21ercaniusing dsl or 3G on the server ?
22:27.27ercaniwhich is better
22:29.20RedhatterI'd prefer DSL, but that's only because I'm familiar with the limitations of wireless networks.
22:29.53ercanihmm
22:30.01ercanirequires static ip ?
22:30.10RedhatterNot sure what you mean by "Linux Server Edition" either... probably worth noting that Linux is just a kernel, not a server or client.
22:30.23ercaniubuntu has server edition
22:30.38RedhatterI'd be surprised if you could get a static IP on a 3G connection
22:31.07ercanithen 3g is useless
22:31.16ercaniin this situation
22:31.28RedhatterTalk with the providers in your area.
22:31.56RedhatterI could be very wrong... but I'd be surprised if they offer static IPs on a 3G link... I don't think the providers here (Australia) do.
22:32.21ercaniok
22:32.44RedhatterBe prepared to get the question "What do you mean by Static IP?"
22:32.58ds2ewwww atom
22:33.00ercaniI see
22:33.21ercaniatom  mid
22:33.55ercaniI want to use atom by considering power efficiency
22:34.27ercani7 inc mobile internet device
22:34.52Redhatterds2: I'm looking at replacing the server here with an Atom system (currently running a PIII 550MHz) for a similar reason... power efficiency.
22:35.11ercaniand it has battery
22:35.59ercanior 5 inc might be better
22:36.52ercanibattery can run 2 hours
22:38.24ds2Redhatter: compared to the PIII, sure... but it is still pretty horrible
22:38.51RedhatterAnything else will be highly difficult to obtain/expensive I'd imagine.
22:39.08ercaniI have also mini itx mainboard, pentium M
22:39.17ds2it is enough to pay for itself but compared to a proper arm system it is icky
22:39.30ds2power is still the disgusting atx crap
22:39.40RedhatterYeah, not sure where I'd get an ARM system that'd be suitable though.
22:39.53RedhatterIt's not like I can walk into a computer parts shop and buy one over the counter.
22:41.03ds2that's not a good metric
22:41.08ercaniyesterday I have asked about running server on arm linux
22:41.30ds2depending on what you want done a nice s3c2410 board can be easily had
22:41.44RedhatterWhere would I buy one of those?
22:41.58ds2off hand there is the TCT hammer
22:42.17ds2mail order
22:42.27RedhatterMy big problem is that ordering stuff online is a real pain... particularly in the payment department.
22:42.39ds2eh?where are you?
22:42.53RedhatterI can do international money order, but it costs me about $30 or so... I'm in Australia (Brisbane)
22:43.03ds2ah
22:43.25ds2what about ordering stuff through dontronics? they are local
22:43.37ds2local to you, that is
22:43.38RedhatterNot familiar with that mob.
22:43.51RedhatterI
22:44.11RedhatterI'm not against buying an ARM system, just they're not very common on the ground, so getting parts will be a pain.
22:44.19ds2they resell a lot of embedded stuff
22:44.30ercanids2: I have s3c2450, 128mb ddr2.. can run server and let 200-300 user connect?
22:45.00SpeedEvilyes, you can, but it totally depends on what you want to do with the server.
22:45.15SpeedEvilThink of the above like a pentium I 100MHz class machine
22:46.00ercaniusers will connect to server and leave gps data.. and some users will connect to server to see those data on map
22:46.27SpeedEvilercani: you want to see position of other users?
22:46.35ds2is the map rendering done locally?
22:46.54ds2or are you using something like GM and having them do the map?
22:47.02ercaniwhile some users leave their data to server, some will see others on the map
22:47.07ercanigoogle map
22:47.47ds2probally
22:48.14ds2collecting GPS data and uploading is not that intense
22:48.22ds2a wrt54 could probally do it
22:48.26SpeedEvilhow often do you want them to update?
22:48.32ercanievery 2 min
22:48.38SpeedEvileasily then
22:48.43ercanibut mutliple users
22:48.47ercanisay 200 - 300
22:49.12SpeedEvilyou just want the most recent position?
22:49.19ercaniyes
22:49.32SpeedEvilthe trivial way to do it is to have a little database in RAM
22:49.39SpeedEvilthis has lat/lon for every client.
22:49.53ercaniwith their ID
22:49.57SpeedEvilAnd serves it out as basic xml to all clients.
22:50.05SpeedEvil<client id=foo>
22:50.18SpeedEvil<pos lat=foo, lon=bar>
22:50.22SpeedEvilor something
22:50.40SpeedEvilthe client reads that and does something with openlayers to paint selected clients on the map.
22:50.50SpeedEvilWhy are you wanting to use the above board though.
22:51.14ercanithose are mobile users
22:51.57ercaniif user knows id
22:52.06ercaniid of another device
22:52.30ercanithen will able to see locat. of that device
22:53.04RedhatterIs there an ARM system around that's comparable to the Atom systems, in so far as similar CPU capability, able to take a decent amount of RAM (1GB+) and has Ethernet ports and IDE/SATA/SCSI
22:53.36SpeedEvilercani: yes
22:53.39RedhatterI'm not looking for an "embedded" system, just a replacement for this server.
22:54.35ercaniSpeedEvil: I should use linux or wince ?
22:54.59ercaniRedhatter: I havent heard an ARM with 1 gb of ram
22:55.28RedhatterThat settles it for me... Atom it is.
22:55.34RedhatterAs much as I hate to say it.
22:56.17ercaniatom can handle 2gb of ram
22:57.36ercaniI have a few arm devices using wince
22:58.17ercanisetting a server on wince is hard ?
22:58.47Redhatter's familiarity with WinCE ends with v2.11 that ran on his MIPS-based PDA (now dead)
23:00.01ercani:))
23:00.28SpeedEvilercani: you're not being clear why you're wanting to use this server. All else being equal - just stick it on a PC.
23:00.33SpeedEvilthis as a server.
23:00.47SpeedEvilYes, you can easily do this with the above hardware.
23:00.55SpeedEvilAs outlined above.
23:01.04ercaniI want to use it for power efficiency
23:01.06SpeedEvilI don't know if wince can handle it - I haven't used it.
23:01.15SpeedEvilercani: then use a VM somewhere
23:01.48ercanivm?
23:01.55RedhatterVirtual Machine
23:02.04ercaniah
23:02.34Redhattere.g. xen, VMware, qemu, bochs, Microsoft VirtualPC...etc.
23:03.37ercaniI see
23:03.43ercaninow reading about it
23:07.59ds2wince should be avoided
23:10.24ercaniok
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23:11.22prpplagueho ho ho, merry freakin friday
23:13.21SpeedEvilhi.
23:13.36SpeedEvil(02:03:38 PM) SpeedEvil: prpplague: Quick! Limit 5 per customer! https://www.50dollarbuffalo.com/?mid=663752
23:13.38SpeedEvil:)
23:14.17prpplagueSpeedEvil yea yea those are "fool's gold" coins
23:14.25prpplagueSpeedEvil i like real gold
23:14.36SpeedEvilI wonder how many people get fooled.
23:14.56prpplagueprobably alot
23:15.06SpeedEvilI mean - yes - fair enough - they should be able to read 39.5 milligrams of gold.
23:15.12SpeedEvilBut - ...
23:59.43likewisewho issues this coin? us gov?

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