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| 01:40.48 | Mirell | Oh Lord. |
| 01:40.53 | Mirell | Part 1 of the End of Time watched. |
| 01:40.58 | Mirell | That's...wow. |
| 01:41.40 | Mirell | Time for Part 2! |
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| 02:04.48 | landley | Mirell: I need to catch up on doctor who... |
| 02:05.34 | Mirell | landley: Oh yes you very much need to |
| 02:20.56 | Mirell | landley: ...very much yes |
| 02:57.51 | Mirell | landley: Oh yes.. |
| 03:00.17 | Mirell | The End of Time special was severe awesomeness. |
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| 03:13.42 | prpplague | Mirell indeed it was |
| 03:16.24 | prpplague | Mirell nothing like going home for lunch and chasing your wife around the house with a mouth full of speghitti hanigng out and saying "who's your favorite OOD?" |
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| 03:19.09 | Mirell | Heh |
| 03:21.39 | Mirell | In other news, SIP is a very strange beast. |
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| 06:31.32 | jacques | landley: you about? |
| 06:32.04 | jacques | I'm trying to run the impact linux powerpc system image in qemu and it just says: *** Boot failure! No secondary bootloader specified *** |
| 06:34.18 | jacques | I assume these are 0.9.9, the tarball dates are 2009-12-08 |
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| 07:35.24 | landley | jacques: I'm about now. |
| 07:35.38 | landley | Which qemu version are you using? |
| 07:35.50 | landley | It should work with 0.11.0. Haven't tried other versions. |
| 07:36.13 | landley | And yeah, that's 0.9.9. |
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| 07:48.21 | landley | jacques1: which qemu version are you trying? |
| 07:48.51 | landley | It should work with 0.11.0. Dunno about earlier ones, and haven't tried later ones yet. |
| 07:49.14 | jacques | landley: Fedora 12 64-bit, qemu-system-ppc-0.11.0-12.fc12.x86_64 |
| 07:50.12 | jacques | maybe I should build qemu myself to be sure ... one never knows what fedora does to their packages without looking at the srpm |
| 07:51.26 | jacques | landley: I saw on the mailing list about powerpc-440fp having problems, but I don't need that, "regular" powerpc is fine |
| 07:51.46 | jacques | but both powerpc and powerpc-440fp give the same error |
| 07:53.11 | landley | huh. |
| 07:54.05 | landley | QEMU version 0.11.50 |
| 07:54.29 | jacques | that's what fedora packaged? |
| 07:54.37 | jacques | you looking at the srpm? |
| 07:54.38 | landley | No, that's what I'm using to run it here. |
| 07:54.50 | landley | I may have built mine from source, if not it's from Ubuntu 9.04. |
| 07:54.55 | jacques | ah heh. did you have to use a special open firmare or anything? |
| 07:55.03 | landley | Confirmed: mine's built from source. |
| 07:55.08 | landley | Nope, stock stuff. |
| 07:55.10 | jacques | I recall at one point that was needed for ppc to work |
| 07:55.18 | landley | ~3 releases back. |
| 07:55.23 | jacques | OK I will build from source and try. |
| 07:55.36 | landley | Firing up run-emulator.sh from the tarball in the downloads directory... |
| 07:55.39 | landley | and I have a shell prompt. |
| 07:55.47 | landley | It's working here. |
| 07:55.54 | landley | What qemu version are you using? |
| 07:56.12 | landley | Note that 0.10 and earlier won't work because they changed the g3beige emulation's serial chip. |
| 07:56.33 | landley | Apparetly it now matches the actual hardware in the system it claims to be emulating. |
| 07:56.35 | landley | shrugs. |
| 07:56.37 | jacques | only marginally related, I was trying to install F12 ppc in a VM using virt-manager / libvirt today and that also didn't work, but not exact same failure - it ran yaboot but them complained about not finding some config file |
| 07:57.21 | jacques | landley: you are running your qemu on 32-bit linux? 64-bit? |
| 07:57.23 | landley | That sounds like a Fedora issue. |
| 07:57.26 | landley | 64 bit host. |
| 07:57.36 | landley | Ubuntu 9.04. |
| 07:57.37 | jacques | OK me too |
| 07:57.47 | landley | I should probably upgrade to 9.10, but each new release breaks so much stuff... |
| 07:57.54 | jacques | I have a 32-bit ubuntu 9.10 ... but distro qemu there too |
| 07:58.04 | landley | What version of qemu are you using? |
| 07:58.09 | jacques | 32-bit ubuntu 9.10 *VM* |
| 07:58.27 | landley | Type "qemu-system-ppc --version" and hit enter. |
| 07:58.42 | jacques | the fedora rpm name implies 0.11.0 : qemu-system-ppc-0.11.0-12.fc12.x86_64 |
| 07:58.48 | landley | Huh. |
| 07:58.50 | jacques | QEMU PC emulator version 0.11.0 (qemu-kvm-0.11.0), Copyright (c) 2003-2008 Fabrice Bellard |
| 07:59.00 | landley | Dunno. |
| 07:59.04 | landley | Try building it from source? |
| 07:59.16 | landley | I think I currently have some random git snapshot, actually... |
| 07:59.22 | jacques | will do. |
| 07:59.58 | landley | Yeah, the distro version I've got installed is 0.10.0. I know that one doesn't work. |
| 08:00.07 | landley | I think 0.11.0 did, but it's been a while since I've tested it. |
| 08:00.20 | landley | (I keep expecting qemu to "just work", I also keep forgetting how much they break in it...) |
| 08:01.25 | landley | Building a stock 0.11.0 from source here to try out... |
| 08:01.27 | jacques | I have never seen ppc system emulation work |
| 08:01.39 | landley | I've got a screen shot. :) |
| 08:01.41 | jacques | been trying on and off since 2006 |
| 08:01.52 | jacques | I believe you :-) |
| 08:01.53 | landley | I've had to fix it something like 5 times since 2006. |
| 08:01.57 | landley | It's been a ROYAL PAIN. |
| 08:02.16 | jacques | thing that annoys me is nobody really seems to see it as a problem |
| 08:02.22 | landley | I do. |
| 08:02.42 | landley | What's the error message you're getting? |
| 08:02.59 | jacques | >> *** Boot failure! No secondary bootloader specified *** |
| 08:02.59 | landley | No secondary bootloader... |
| 08:03.08 | landley | I haz the power of scroll up! |
| 08:03.45 | jacques | you on a small window? |
| 08:04.08 | jacques | I'm ssh'd into my phone running weechat through 3g connection |
| 08:05.06 | landley | It's the ubuntu irc app, pidgin. It sucketh mightily. |
| 08:05.46 | jacques | I really like weechat. they just need to get the colors under control. |
| 08:06.07 | jacques | (weechat is text-based) |
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| 08:11.48 | landley | qemu takes a while to build... |
| 08:14.05 | jacques | are you building all the targets? |
| 08:14.34 | jacques | I'm just fighting with fedora to get the build-time deps installed |
| 08:22.48 | jacques | well whadaya know. 0.11.0 built from source gets me to a root prompt |
| 08:24.16 | jacques | in system-image-powerpc and system-image-powerpc-440fp |
| 08:24.30 | jacques | this is awesome |
| 08:24.40 | jacques | I really appreciate your help landley |
| 08:29.08 | jacques | now I am definitely going to download the fedora srpm and see what they did to break it |
| 08:43.13 | jacques | well fedora added 15 patches and the source tarball is called qemu-kvm-0.11.0.tar.gz which seems odd |
| 08:44.50 | landley | jacques: woot. |
| 08:44.53 | landley | You're welcome. |
| 08:45.11 | landley | kvm is a kernel-side replacement for qemu's mmu emulation. |
| 08:45.58 | landley | It's basically like the old kqemu module, except it uses newer chips' hardware emulation support. (The VT extensions.) |
| 08:46.45 | landley | The "enterprise" types are mostly interested in consolidating multiple machines onto less hardware, so they love fast x86-on-x86 emulation. |
| 08:46.47 | jacques | landley: I was just surprised because I thought the qemu-kvm and qemu projects had re-merged |
| 08:46.55 | landley | jacques: they did. |
| 08:47.10 | landley | qemu 0.11.0 supports kvm, the same way it supports kqemu. |
| 08:47.19 | landley | But the distros that get money from pointy-haired types don't see it that way. |
| 08:47.28 | landley | They see a competitor to xen and vmware. :) |
| 08:48.22 | jacques | 3925830 2009-11-20 17:25 /home/packages/qemu/qemu-0.11.0.tar.gz vs. 4382897 2009-09-28 02:22 qemu-kvm-0.11.0.tar.gz |
| 08:48.37 | landley | Largeish changes, looks like. |
| 08:48.54 | landley | But hey, you have a working reference setup now. :) |
| 08:49.17 | jacques | I didn't know there were still two source dists... fedora usually has their patches external to the tarball - they have 15 patches outside qemu-kvm-0.11.0.tar.gz |
| 08:49.52 | jacques | landley: yep. every time I start using distro packages for something important I regret it |
| 08:50.26 | jacques | I can't wait to play with ppc system emulation now |
| 08:51.16 | landley | Coolness. |
| 08:51.39 | landley | I have to get on a plane to idaho tomorrow, but I should be online intermittently over the weekend and should be back in Austin after Tuesday. |
| 08:52.02 | landley | In the meantime, it's bedtime for me... |
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| 08:53.08 | jacques | later landley and thanks again |
| 08:53.17 | landley | You're welcome. g'night. |
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| 13:10.56 | pingbat | Hope you all had a nice holiday |
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| 15:00.03 | sunrunner20 | lul |
| 15:00.07 | sunrunner20 | sparkfun is down |
| 15:00.42 | SpeedEvil | Somewhat unsurprising. |
| 15:00.51 | sunrunner20 | yea |
| 15:01.02 | sunrunner20 | i got up early to place an order, ususally I don't get up till like noon |
| 15:01.30 | SpeedEvil | htey need to get a competely static site up - with the minimum of dynamic - if they are wanting to host it on current ardware |
| 15:02.53 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:06.45 | SpeedEvil | morning |
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| 15:09.10 | sjhill | yeah, i'm not sure sparkfun will survive |
| 15:09.15 | sjhill | today |
| 15:09.25 | sjhill | their people are going to be exhausted |
| 15:10.07 | pingbat | what's the deal with their site? |
| 15:10.20 | pingbat | or their people? |
| 15:10.58 | pingbat | did they update the site? |
| 15:11.20 | sunrunner20 | some |
| 15:11.21 | sunrunner20 | but |
| 15:11.32 | sunrunner20 | they're giving away $100,000 at $100 per person |
| 15:11.36 | sunrunner20 | in about an hour |
| 15:14.30 | SpeedEvil | to about 11 seconds later. |
| 15:16.16 | pingbat | omg |
| 15:16.25 | pingbat | so order whatever, get it free? |
| 15:16.33 | SpeedEvil | y |
| 15:16.40 | chouimat | huh? |
| 15:16.46 | SpeedEvil | -shipping |
| 15:17.04 | pingbat | amazing, what's shipping to the uk? |
| 15:17.28 | SpeedEvil | depends on the weight |
| 15:18.25 | chouimat | interesting |
| 15:18.27 | pingbat | now i have to choose something |
| 15:18.30 | pingbat | damn |
| 15:18.31 | chouimat | hehe |
| 15:19.07 | pingbat | hmm |
| 15:19.20 | pingbat | ki do kind of want a logic analyzer |
| 15:19.54 | chouimat | hmmm slow |
| 15:20.32 | sjhill | hey, flyback is on #sparkfun-discuss |
| 15:20.36 | sjhill | *sigh* |
| 15:20.56 | chouimat | sjhill: that little s* is still alive? |
| 15:21.04 | sjhill | yeah |
| 15:21.31 | sjhill | he told me to bite his canuck |
| 15:22.12 | chouimat | sjhill: I still need to find a nice canuck lady to bite mine ;) (I'm alowed to say this because well ...) |
| 15:24.03 | chouimat | thinks he will forget about sparkfun ... |
| 15:28.16 | pingbat | anyone used the bus pirate? |
| 15:29.17 | sjhill | pingbat: come again? |
| 15:29.35 | pingbat | http://dangerousprototypes.com/category/bus-pirate/ |
| 15:29.45 | pingbat | it's something sold on sparkfun |
| 15:44.12 | pingbat | what are you getting? |
| 15:44.23 | pingbat | or trying to get |
| 15:53.08 | SpeedEvil | 3 axis i2c magnetometer, gas soldering iron. and step-down psu |
| 15:59.59 | sunrunner20 | DOS at t-10 |
| 16:00.15 | chouimat | no sparkfun doesn't work for me |
| 16:00.23 | pingbat | can't load my basket |
| 16:00.43 | pingbat | bah, i hope it won't all be gone before it's started |
| 16:03.57 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 16:03.59 | sunrunner20 | server crash |
| 16:04.03 | pingbat | go go go |
| 16:04.06 | pingbat | :-P |
| 16:04.28 | pingbat | it's like Jita used to be |
| 16:05.19 | pingbat | bah |
| 16:09.00 | chouimat | it's probably over by now :) |
| 16:09.07 | pingbat | weeps |
| 16:10.08 | chouimat | goes give his landlord the cheque for January ... completely forgot it ;) |
| 16:13.33 | Mirell | Late feeeees |
| 16:13.53 | chouimat | Mirell: will see |
| 16:19.08 | sunrunner20 | lol the sparkfun server is slammed |
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| 17:12.55 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
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| 17:27.10 | prpplague | Tim's phone made to wired magazine - http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/saygus-android-phone-video-calls/ |
| 17:44.39 | pingbat | i'm looking for a RTOS for a project of mine, any suggestions? |
| 17:44.53 | pingbat | to be honest I don't really know where to start |
| 17:45.25 | prpplague | pingbat: the question probably start with, do i really need a RTOS or can something like linux work? |
| 17:46.47 | pingbat | that's a good question, i am considering supporting both Linux and some RTOS |
| 17:47.46 | pingbat | bear in mind that the base is a 100MHz chip with 96Kb of SRAM |
| 17:48.42 | pingbat | http://www.luminarymicro.com/products/lm3s9b95.html |
| 17:49.34 | pingbat | The idea is to provide a development platform for various projects around the University |
| 17:50.47 | pingbat | and some of those will need RT |
| 17:52.51 | prpplague | thinks pingbat should use the hammer board instead, hehe |
| 17:55.50 | calculus | darn, after all those page timeouts to sparkfun, I finally get to the confirm order page and free day is over :( |
| 17:57.18 | pingbat | there are other aspects to the project that prohibit the use of the hammer board |
| 18:02.43 | SpeedEvil | stupid paypal decided to require more info from me - breaking order process |
| 18:10.16 | calculus | ooo, earthquake |
| 18:10.25 | pingbat | cool |
| 18:12.12 | calculus | I think this one: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsus/Quakes/nc71336726.php |
| 18:14.21 | solar | calculus: I felt it too |
| 18:15.25 | SpeedEvil | I diddn't. |
| 18:16.21 | calculus | 4.2 |
| 18:17.14 | prpplague | me either |
| 18:18.35 | pingbat | they put that up fast |
| 18:18.59 | pingbat | that's pretty cool |
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| 19:00.35 | prpplague | ~seen TimRiker |
| 19:00.39 | purl | timriker <n=timr@bzflag/projectlead/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 5d 20h 43m 22s ago, saying: 'anyone have contact info for Ambassador Huntsman in Utah? Would like to meet with him briefly, show him our phone and fill him in on our Utah / China business. :)'. |
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| 19:47.26 | alex4nder | hey |
| 19:49.15 | prpplague | greeting earthling |
| 19:50.33 | roxfan2 | http://www.nxp.com/campaigns/Cortex-M-workshops/ |
| 19:53.41 | prpplague | roxfan2: what no stops in the south? i guess they think that there arent any techies below the mason dixon line |
| 19:54.13 | roxfan2 | well they're all useless to me anyway |
| 19:54.26 | roxfan2 | just thought someone might be interested |
| 19:54.42 | roxfan2 | the mbed + lpcxpresso alone are more than $70 |
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