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| 12:10.56 | Mirell | Man, I hate being up this earlyu. |
| 12:10.59 | Mirell | Er, early, even. |
| 12:27.10 | florian | hi Mirell |
| 12:37.37 | Mirell | 'lo florian |
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| 14:48.47 | kergoth | morning |
| 14:49.17 | prpplague | kergoth: greetings |
| 14:52.17 | sjhill | good morning |
| 14:58.39 | sjhill | prpplague: getting my taxes ready for the accountant, and then I can start hacking again |
| 14:59.05 | sjhill | prpplague: i want to get my tax refund before the government gives me an IOU |
| 14:59.20 | prpplague | is going to procrastinate on doing his taxes this year since he probably will owe some money |
| 14:59.27 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe |
| 15:00.01 | Mirell | Mmm, you crastinator. |
| 15:00.03 | prpplague | sjhill: gosh, you don't think the fed will be in the same boat as california do you ? |
| 15:00.09 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe |
| 15:00.41 | prpplague | hmm, i seem to be missing my coffee cup |
| 15:01.59 | prpplague | man i'm having a hard time getting started up this morning |
| 15:03.01 | kergoth | I'm actually going to file early this year, first time I won't be late. |
| 15:03.02 | kergoth | beams |
| 15:03.08 | kergoth | should think about getting an accountant to handle the taxes, rather than taxact or h&r block, someday, though |
| 15:04.35 | prpplague | kergoth: actually h&r block has some accounting offices for year round tax help |
| 15:05.22 | kergoth | actually, went there a couple months back to file my '06 taxes, was quite painless, though a tad pricier than I'd hoped :) |
| 15:05.49 | kergoth | grumbles, need a nap |
| 15:07.23 | prpplague | kergoth: yea, H&R is a little more expensive |
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| 15:15.18 | sjhill | i pay $238/year to do both personal and business |
| 15:15.31 | sjhill | well worth it to not have the hassle |
| 15:15.50 | prpplague | sjhill: from h&r or private accountant? |
| 15:15.59 | sjhill | private accountant |
| 15:16.04 | prpplague | ahh |
| 15:16.32 | T0mW | my bill is usually $375 |
| 15:16.48 | prpplague | sjhill: "and business" , you still doing consulting? i thought you were full time where you are at |
| 15:16.58 | prpplague | T0mW: that is what mine usually runs |
| 15:17.11 | T0mW | my guy is CPA |
| 15:17.41 | T0mW | he does my quickbooks data so it is probably why it costs more than sjhill, heh |
| 15:17.41 | prpplague | oh yea? my is a SOB |
| 15:17.46 | T0mW | LOL |
| 15:18.49 | sjhill | :) |
| 15:19.33 | sjhill | prpplague: yeah, i'm still picking a few software things up here and there |
| 15:19.55 | prpplague | ahh |
| 15:19.58 | sjhill | prpplague: nothing huge, but it pays my taxes, Internet, and gets me some hardware upgrades |
| 15:20.10 | prpplague | sjhill: ahh dandy |
| 15:20.54 | sjhill | i can only do at the most 15 hours a week extra |
| 15:21.06 | sjhill | i can push and do 20 hours a week, but only for a short stretch |
| 15:22.30 | T0mW | good to keep your hand into that "extra money", you never know when the 9..5 might disappear... |
| 15:22.52 | prpplague | T0mW: indeed |
| 15:23.17 | T0mW | prpplague: what are you doing? Still screwing off without a job? |
| 15:23.43 | prpplague | T0mW: thats why i want to open up a nudie bar, when times are good, people celebrate and go to the nudie bar, when times are bad, people go to the nudie bar |
| 15:23.58 | prpplague | T0mW: http://www.rad-tech-labs.com |
| 15:24.07 | prpplague | T0mW: contract work |
| 15:24.53 | T0mW | naw, open a rock quarry, they always need crushed rock. When times are good, home construction needs stone. When times are hard, the gov't does public works. |
| 15:25.05 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 15:25.17 | kergoth | somehow i think prpplague would prefer the nudie bar to the quarry |
| 15:25.23 | T0mW | real low tech stuff, just use dynamite and then scoop the stuff into the crusher. |
| 15:25.23 | prpplague | indeed |
| 15:25.37 | T0mW | yeah, but, Dave is handicapped |
| 15:25.46 | T0mW | he has Donna. |
| 15:25.57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:25.58 | kergoth | good point |
| 15:26.23 | T0mW | if he ain't crippled yet, just wait until Donna finds out he has opened a nudie bar! |
| 15:26.24 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, as long as the bank account is flowing with $$ i doubt she'd complain, hehe |
| 15:27.31 | prpplague | it's either that or open up a rum shack down in barbados on the beach |
| 15:28.52 | T0mW | prpplague: stay away from barbados, you already tried that, remember ? |
| 15:29.03 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 15:29.27 | prpplague | T0mW: that was a forced item, being forced tends to put a spin on things |
| 15:29.37 | T0mW | Dave, friends don't let friends live in countries without hi-tech. |
| 15:30.02 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:32.59 | prpplague | T0mW: barbados actually has the potential to be a pretty darn good center for OSS dev and embedded dev, problem is getting it started there |
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| 15:33.24 | T0mW | yeah, customs guys are either too lazy or too greedy. |
| 15:33.51 | prpplague | yea |
| 15:33.58 | T0mW | if all you did was software, you could bypass them. God help you if you needed a server upgrade in a hurry though. |
| 15:34.18 | prpplague | T0mW: most server based stuff is easy to get on the island |
| 15:34.47 | prpplague | T0mW: its the embedded stuff that has always been the problem, i.e. it is pretty darn difficult to get an order from digikey |
| 15:34.53 | T0mW | prpplague: you could probably do it if you were in a "partnership" with the barbados gov't. Where they would fast-track certain material through custom. |
| 15:35.05 | prpplague | T0mW: exactly |
| 15:35.26 | prpplague | T0mW: while i was down there i did a whitepaper on what i thought would be needed |
| 15:35.47 | T0mW | problem as I see it is the culture, society. The lifestyle is very relaxed. |
| 15:35.51 | prpplague | T0mW: i figured that in 5 years barbados could have a thriving dev market |
| 15:36.15 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, "island time" can be an issue |
| 15:36.57 | T0mW | maybe, get to know one of the customs inspectors and have him as a partner? heh |
| 15:37.31 | T0mW | "Hey, Jesus, I've got an order coming in from Minnesota in the next few days..." |
| 15:37.59 | T0mW | You maintain his computer... |
| 15:38.22 | T0mW | after all, a little graft and corruption doesn't hurt anybody |
| 15:40.26 | prpplague | hehe yea |
| 15:41.28 | T0mW | that select() statement had me going yesterday. Took a while to discover that you had to init the fd_set each time you called the select so that it would monitor ALL file descriptors. |
| 15:41.31 | prpplague | T0mW: well what i had in my whitepaper was that they start off subsidizing the purchase of a small volume pcb production system and having a electronics parts inventory |
| 15:42.29 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, yea that is a tricky one, it never seemed intuitive to me |
| 15:42.49 | T0mW | the manpage doesn't tell you that the select fscks with the data set, clobbers it. |
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| 15:43.29 | T0mW | shame on me for thinking the fd_set was const |
| 15:44.11 | prpplague | wonders where choumat is |
| 15:45.03 | T0mW | I did a daemon for a customer for a linux embedded system he got from another company for a job of his. He bitched about the cost of the daemon, my attitude was "your people can't figure out the solution", and, it took me time to get the experience to write the darned thing! |
| 15:45.32 | prpplague | T0mW: yea i don;t understand people with that attitude |
| 15:46.08 | T0mW | yes, you can, they are called "cheapskates", heh |
| 15:46.14 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:46.46 | T0mW | to top it off, he needed it written and tested within a week. |
| 15:47.16 | prpplague | T0mW: if you have someone digging a ditch, you have a good idea about what is involved and you know what you are willing to pay, if you have something that you have no skill in doing, you shouldn't complain at the cost involved.... of course you should be diligent and make sure you don't get ripped off |
| 15:47.21 | kergoth | i don't see the point in complaining about it. it's unprofessional, and its likely it wasn't a surprise anyway, since you almost certainly worked out some idea as to the costs at the start of the contract |
| 15:47.36 | kergoth | prpplague: indeed, well put |
| 15:48.17 | T0mW | I enjoyed it, but I'm thinking of changing the approach and going with xinetd instead. My thinking is that a process could die in an embedded system and you would need to restart the system to get the process back again. |
| 15:48.28 | T0mW | with xinetd, it wouldn't matter. |
| 15:48.49 | T0mW | I wrote it that way at first (xinetd) but had issues with stdout. |
| 15:49.18 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, you just have to take care that if you respawn it that all the conditions are met for a clean restart |
| 15:49.39 | T0mW | prpplague: you watch that HGTV show "Holmes on homes"? |
| 15:49.43 | T0mW | scary |
| 15:50.31 | T0mW | the guy, Mike Holmes, is a master builder who comes in to fix what idiot contractors screwed up. |
| 15:50.43 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, no i have not seen that one |
| 15:50.56 | T0mW | good show. |
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| 16:00.56 | T0mW | OH WOW! |
| 16:01.13 | T0mW | I haven't done my morning exercise! |
| 16:01.28 | T0mW | opens browser to check on xkcd and friends |
| 16:02.44 | SpeedEvil | I love the n900 |
| 16:02.49 | MonMotha | T0mW: were you the guy who had the small table saw for chopping up PCBs |
| 16:02.56 | SpeedEvil | I've got it set so xkcd current page is a desktop |
| 16:02.57 | T0mW | yeah |
| 16:03.04 | MonMotha | T0mW: where'd you get it? |
| 16:03.17 | SpeedEvil | any tablesaw pretty much should do |
| 16:03.20 | SpeedEvil | however |
| 16:03.27 | SpeedEvil | there are small ones for model engineering work |
| 16:03.28 | MonMotha | he had an unusually small one |
| 16:03.30 | SpeedEvil | which would be better |
| 16:03.34 | SpeedEvil | dremel did one |
| 16:03.45 | MonMotha | works |
| 16:03.58 | MonMotha | I'd really like a "dremel drill press" for drilling on PCBs |
| 16:04.00 | SpeedEvil | http://www.theaerosmith.com/custom3.html |
| 16:04.06 | T0mW | MonMotha: it is a Proxxon model "KS 115", try google, don't recall where I got this one. |
| 16:04.13 | MonMotha | T0mW: ok |
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| 16:05.29 | T0mW | MonMotha: the dremel drill press I got has a lot of play in it, I tend to snap carbide drills if I'm not careful, AND, forget to put a piece of wood under the PCB that I'm drilling through. |
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| 16:05.57 | MonMotha | T0mW: well, then I guess make sure I get one without much play |
| 16:06.01 | T0mW | MonMotha: otherwise, without the wood, the bit tends to "punch through" and the bit will snap. |
| 16:06.23 | T0mW | MonMotha: good luck on that, they are not well made |
| 16:06.29 | MonMotha | T0mW: figures |
| 16:06.44 | MonMotha | I don't strictly need something that holds a dremel. I just need a high speed drill press, basically |
| 16:06.55 | T0mW | yeah |
| 16:07.17 | T0mW | MonMotha: ever think about buying your own CNC machine? |
| 16:07.18 | T0mW | heh |
| 16:07.43 | MonMotha | T0mW: I've considered it. I've done a PCB on one before. Pain in the butt if you want double sided and don't set up a jig, but nice otherwise |
| 16:08.03 | T0mW | good for front panels too |
| 16:08.14 | T0mW | I had access to one at one time... |
| 16:08.17 | prpplague | i'd love to invest in a good SLA machine |
| 16:08.24 | T0mW | SLA? |
| 16:08.32 | MonMotha | you can get older used SLA machines for like $8k. not bad |
| 16:08.43 | prpplague | T0mW: type of 3d printing |
| 16:08.48 | T0mW | ah |
| 16:08.51 | T0mW | yeah |
| 16:08.56 | T0mW | <sigh> |
| 16:09.07 | T0mW | so many toys and so little time |
| 16:09.10 | prpplague | MonMotha: i'd want to invest in a new one, much easier to get the financing for it that way |
| 16:09.15 | MonMotha | prpplague: true |
| 16:09.34 | T0mW | XY carbon dioxide laser is on my wishlist. |
| 16:09.55 | prpplague | MonMotha: i have a project in the works now that looks like it will pay off big, if it does, i'm going to invest in a bigger office and alot of new equipment |
| 16:10.36 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, don't get greedy, always put money back into your business. that is why most new businesses fail, they don't re-invest. |
| 16:11.11 | sjhill | right |
| 16:11.15 | sjhill | i never emtpy my account |
| 16:11.40 | sjhill | i always leave money in there to buy equipment and new stuff |
| 16:12.14 | prpplague | yea, i'm actually going to have to get a line of credit for this project since it will be a very large production run |
| 16:12.56 | T0mW | I was talking with someone about how many new businesses fail, half in 5 years, the remainder 25% fail in the next two years and so on. Generally, if you survive 7 years, you are ok. |
| 16:13.28 | T0mW | they then asked me why I was able to still be in business. You know, I really had to think about that one. |
| 16:14.42 | T0mW | I do good work, I enjoy it, but it is not enough to survive. There are so many aspects to doing business that you have to do well: bookkeeping, the work, managing time, customer relations, public relations (finding work), etc.. |
| 16:15.19 | prpplague | T0mW: exactly |
| 16:15.42 | T0mW | I used to think that if I was in business for myself that I wouldn't have to kiss the boss's A$$, well, I found out that I still have to kiss the customers butt from time to time. |
| 16:15.46 | prpplague | T0mW: which is why if you are a devr, you most likely will need to find someone you can trust to do alot of those things |
| 16:16.00 | sjhill | like my wife |
| 16:16.05 | T0mW | yeah, "a man has to know his limitations" |
| 16:16.16 | T0mW | (c) Clint Eastwood |
| 16:16.18 | T0mW | heh |
| 16:16.46 | T0mW | I need to marry a girl who is an accountant and loves to do books. |
| 16:17.39 | T0mW | then, I need to partner with a salesman. |
| 16:18.25 | T0mW | sjhill: what does your wife do? |
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| 16:21.52 | sjhill | T0mW: hardest job in the world |
| 16:22.12 | sjhill | stay at home mother |
| 16:22.23 | sjhill | i have 3 boys |
| 16:22.38 | sjhill | she runs the finances |
| 16:22.59 | sjhill | which i prefer and have absolute confidence in |
| 16:23.25 | sjhill | she doesn't do my business stuff yet |
| 16:23.34 | sjhill | but if it comes to that, i would have her manage it |
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| 16:25.48 | T0mW | sjhill: nod, I'm not good at finances. I grudgingly do it because it needs to be done, but it is like documentation, I'd rather be doing than documenting. |
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| 17:48.01 | Mirell | XML is making my eyes bleed. |
| 17:56.02 | calculus | first it was tcl and now it is xml |
| 17:56.37 | Zoiah_ | Parsing XML with Tcl. ;) |
| 18:00.03 | T0mW | yuk |
| 18:00.39 | SpeedEvil | xslt ! |
| 18:00.58 | T0mW | perl |
| 18:01.33 | T0mW | casts vote for favorite langauge |
| 18:01.50 | SpeedEvil | awk! |
| 18:02.00 | SpeedEvil | does the most inappropriate things in awk. |
| 18:02.05 | SpeedEvil | Including realtime DSP |
| 18:02.11 | kergoth | twitches |
| 18:02.40 | SpeedEvil | (displaying real-time mileage in my car - from a GPS and a soundcard connected to an injector |
| 18:03.17 | kergoth | uses python for just about anything he can get away with using it for.. other than the occasional sed & shell, of course |
| 18:05.08 | SpeedEvil | anyone up on working out where memory is going? I've been looking at my n900 - and working out RAM usage by adding up PSS lines in /proc/*/smaps - I find however that large slices of memory are allocated as mmaped files - which don't appear in this list. |
| 18:05.28 | SpeedEvil | Where are mmaped file details available? |
| 18:45.41 | T0mW | does anyone know if STDOUT can be configured to print a single char immediately? via termios c_cc[VMIN / VTIME] perhaps? |
| 18:46.07 | T0mW | printf with "\n" flushes, but there doesn't appear to be a way to flush stdout |
| 18:47.33 | chouimat | fflush(STDOUT); ? |
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| 18:50.29 | T0mW | hmm, maybe, I've been using STDOUT_FILENO, doh! |
| 18:50.30 | roxfan | SpeedEvil: http://ompf.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1556 |
| 18:50.51 | _new_Dev_ | Hello to every body! |
| 18:51.23 | T0mW | chouimat: WINNER! thank you! |
| 18:52.55 | _new_Dev_ | has any body heare about an implementation of Earliest Deadline First scheduling algorithm in ANSI C |
| 18:53.05 | SpeedEvil | roxfan: that is completely insane. |
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| 18:59.14 | _new_Dev_ | it's very tricky to re implement this algorithm :s |
| 19:04.41 | _new_Dev_ | i apologies for my english it's not my mother tongue :) |
| 19:05.30 | _new_Dev_ | from this morning i was googling it but i am enable to find an open source implementation of EDF algorithm if any body has a suggestion!! i will be so thinkfull |
| 19:08.22 | roxfan | why this channel? |
| 19:09.27 | _new_Dev_ | good question! ;) |
| 19:10.05 | _new_Dev_ | cos a few monthes ago i found some answer here :) about uclibc porting |
| 19:10.06 | _new_Dev_ | :) |
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| 19:12.17 | _new_Dev_ | do you remember me roxfan? |
| 19:12.25 | roxfan | no |
| 19:12.36 | chouimat | T0mW: you're welcome |
| 19:12.49 | _new_Dev_ | it was about application XIP on an arm CPU |
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| 19:22.11 | prpplague | sjhill: does it ever really eat you up that you can't talk about the cool stuff you are working on? |
| 19:23.13 | T0mW | I ordered a few things from China over the past year. Now I am getting Kanji junkmail. |
| 19:23.31 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 19:23.39 | _new_Dev_ | lol |
| 19:23.51 | prpplague | T0mW: i ordered some sony chips on the grey market and now i have people emailing me like crazy |
| 19:24.14 | prpplague | T0mW: next time i'm gonna use a throw away email address |
| 19:24.28 | Mirell | XML is making my head hurt |
| 19:24.49 | mnemoc | uses me-peer-hash@domain |
| 19:24.54 | SpeedEvil | I have a 90G xml file somewhere :) |
| 19:25.06 | _new_Dev_ | waw!! |
| 19:25.22 | mnemoc | gosh bless expat :) |
| 19:25.26 | Mirell | mnemoc: Doesn't help if you can't control what you're receiving |
| 19:25.28 | _new_Dev_ | how much time it take to parse it ;)? |
| 19:25.34 | SpeedEvil | some time :) |
| 19:25.39 | SpeedEvil | Openstreetmap planet file |
| 19:25.41 | Mirell | mnemoc: Especially if you're receiving and sending it asynchronously. |
| 19:27.26 | mnemoc | qmail let you receive all me-* and good MUAs let you choose different From: and they have smart [Reply] |
| 19:31.37 | sjhill | prpplague: yeah, sometimes |
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| 20:40.49 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 20:41.58 | prpplague | Mirell: well........ i did quotes for about 20 projects in the last 3 weeks, the @#$@# hit the fan today..... |
| 20:42.24 | prpplague | Mirell: 7 of them want to do their projects all in the same time frame |
| 20:42.52 | chouimat | ouch |
| 20:43.25 | prpplague | guess i'll have to see if i can work them out into a schedule |
| 20:45.05 | T0mW | prpplague: I have several throw-aways that I use. |
| 20:45.31 | chouimat | wonders what kind of moron works for ups |
| 20:49.36 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 20:49.42 | chouimat | prpplague: hi |
| 20:49.48 | prpplague | chouimat: hey bud |
| 20:49.56 | prpplague | chouimat: was wondering where you were this morning |
| 20:50.25 | chouimat | prpplague: somewhere |
| 20:50.30 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:50.38 | prpplague | chouimat: there was something i was going to ask you |
| 20:50.40 | prpplague | chouimat: oh yea |
| 20:50.47 | prpplague | chouimat: you have a pxa310 board? |
| 20:51.25 | chouimat | no |
| 20:51.47 | prpplague | hmm |
| 20:54.11 | chouimat | prpplague: I only have a PXA270 board |
| 20:54.26 | prpplague | chouimat: ahh ok |
| 20:55.02 | chouimat | prpplague: a nice yoggie open firewall soho |
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| 21:12.49 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 21:21.12 | prpplague | kergoth: has there been any more p00p about the cavium take over of MV? |
| 21:28.04 | chouimat | wonders if he should go have several beers tonight |
| 21:31.04 | _new_Dev_ | chouimat take me with you :p |
| 21:31.36 | chouimat | I just feel like celebrated the 10th anniversary of "ditching the bitch" :) |
| 21:31.45 | chouimat | s/celebrated/celebrating |
| 21:34.22 | _new_Dev_ | hehe |
| 21:34.48 | prpplague | chouimat: hehe |
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| 21:37.42 | prpplague | i wonder how hard it would be to turn this in to an EV - http://abhisays.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/tata-nano-standard.jpg |
| 21:38.06 | SpeedEvil | the powerplant is probably quite light |
| 21:38.34 | SpeedEvil | if you don't want to add to the weights, you're going to not have much mass for batteries |
| 21:38.51 | prpplague | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tata_Nano |
| 21:39.48 | prpplague | unpowered steering |
| 21:39.52 | prpplague | that would help |
| 21:40.37 | SpeedEvil | I suppose. |
| 21:40.39 | prpplague | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tata_Nano#Electric_drivetrain_or_electric-version |
| 21:40.40 | SpeedEvil | the wheels are tiny |
| 21:40.52 | SpeedEvil | which will make it somewhat lighter to steer I suppose |
| 21:41.14 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: if you have hydraulic steering like most vehicles you have to convert it over to an electric pump instead of one driven from the enginer |
| 21:43.00 | SpeedEvil | My cars specs are actually moderately similar in many respects |
| 21:43.14 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: what car is that? |
| 21:44.03 | SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Micra |
| 21:44.03 | SpeedEvil | K11 variant |
| 21:44.47 | _new_Dev_ | nice car |
| 21:45.36 | _new_Dev_ | a 3 dors? |
| 21:45.40 | SpeedEvil | kurb weight 775 vs 600 - but slightly smaller area |
| 21:45.45 | SpeedEvil | frontal area |
| 21:46.08 | SpeedEvil | the existing one is - and is probably a few kilos lighter than the 5 door variant. |
| 21:46.16 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 21:46.21 | SpeedEvil | the nano is, yes |
| 21:46.28 | SpeedEvil | err - 2 door |
| 21:47.05 | SpeedEvil | Note that the 'electric' variants are mentioned in the same sentance as compressed-air variants. Which are basically a joke. |
| 21:47.42 | _new_Dev_ | ah! |
| 21:49.58 | SpeedEvil | It will be interesting to see what's going to happen when they get launched |
| 21:51.05 | _new_Dev_ | yeah! |
| 21:53.33 | _new_Dev_ | good bye all! |
| 22:03.58 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: ahh interesting vehicle |
| 22:06.55 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: i've been dying to do a ev conversion of something |
| 22:07.05 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: but i just don't have the bandwidth right now |
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| 22:18.17 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 22:23.27 | Mirell | Indeed. |
| 22:23.33 | Mirell | Doing 6-3 is interesting. |
| 22:24.49 | prpplague | Mirell: ?? |
| 22:26.34 | Mirell | prpplague: 6AM to 3PM |
| 22:26.52 | prpplague | Mirell: ahh |
| 22:27.07 | prpplague | Mirell: that isn't my best time schedule, hehe |
| 22:28.11 | prpplague | might go home early today since it will be the last time he can for awhile |
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| 23:15.13 | roxfan | any idea if i can run a usb flash stick off 3.3v as vbus? |
| 23:17.43 | prpplague | roxfan most usb sticks are 3.3v based, they simply have a 3.3v LDO on the +5v vbus |
| 23:18.08 | prpplague | you'd need to remove the ldo and short the pins |
| 23:18.20 | prpplague | roxfan after you do that it won't work on a +5v anymore |
| 23:18.44 | roxfan | mm so it won't run on 3.3 without modding? |
| 23:19.23 | prpplague | correct |
| 23:20.16 | prpplague | a low power version of USB was on the table early on during the standards committe but was axed |
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