| 00:00.01 | MonMotha | davidc__: weird. Most of their datasheets have a big "register summary" including block diagrams of all the bitfields at the end of each section |
| 00:00.13 | MonMotha | I think it's labeled "User Interface Summary" or something like that |
| 00:00.21 | davidc__ | MonMotha: it has that; its just missing that register |
| 00:00.27 | MonMotha | davidc__: fyi, I have a trick for you in Designer if you're interested |
| 00:00.32 | davidc__ | MonMotha: sure |
| 00:00.49 | MonMotha | they actually have a training video on it, which is good because the PDF is (quite unusually) not very informative |
| 00:01.47 | davidc__ | MonMotha: also; the "set these bits to enable debugging" statement is a lie in the pic32 datasheet. It actually means "Set these bits to change the reset vector to an unspecified value in the middle of our proprietary debug blob which our compiler adds, but don't go there on jtag-triggered-reset so you can never figure out why the @#$#@ thing won't startup" |
| 00:02.27 | davidc__ | MonMotha: I'm always interested in altium tricks. I' |
| 00:02.34 | MonMotha | davidc__: basically, they have added a nice interface to create/manage huge numbers of pins on schematic symbols |
| 00:02.36 | MonMotha | http://altium.com/VideoPlayer/simple_player/single_player_fs.html?source=http%3A//valhalla.altium.com/videos/design_tips/SmartGridInsertForPins.f4v&h=100%25&w=100%25 |
| 00:02.55 | MonMotha | you really do have to create a spreadsheet in the exact format shown in the video though, so you'll probably have to pause it to get the column names |
| 00:03.31 | MonMotha | heh, nice on the PIC thing. I've never liked Microchip's dev tools (compiler or debugger) |
| 00:03.36 | davidc__ | someone pointed me to that pane already - what I ended up doing is creating all the pins in the right numbered order, then just pasting column by column |
| 00:03.54 | davidc__ | but I think I'll write a python script to autocreate the spreadsheet |
| 00:06.02 | roxfan | davidc__: many chips use magic values to change PLL |
| 00:06.14 | MonMotha | yes, autocreating the spreadsheet would be handy |
| 00:06.22 | roxfan | i guess it's to prevent accidental change e.g. because of buggy code |
| 00:06.31 | roxfan | same with watchdogs |
| 00:06.34 | MonMotha | bonus points for having it attempt to paginate the symbol in some meaningful (and hopefully somewhat configurable, perhaps a regex?) manner |
| 00:07.08 | MonMotha | would be useful for things like micros with several I/O ports that you tend to chuck on a sub-symbol together, then just chuck the rest on the last one and let me graphically deal with it |
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| 00:09.14 | MonMotha | davidc__: I'd also thought of making an Excel/OOCalc template that would make things a little easier to edit |
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| 00:22.46 | alex4nder | god |
| 00:22.46 | alex4nder | I' |
| 00:22.50 | alex4nder | er I'm baffled. |
| 00:23.04 | alex4nder | I do a TX, and all of a sudden the endpoint gets disabled. |
| 00:47.58 | davidc__ | roxfan: oh, certainly thats the purpose; but having it documented is a good idea :P |
| 00:50.16 | roxfan | well, there are no separate bits in the magic value, not sure what to document there |
| 00:50.29 | davidc__ | roxfan: the register address :P |
| 00:50.34 | roxfan | ahh |
| 00:50.50 | roxfan | well yeah that would be nice |
| 00:51.11 | roxfan | but you can find it in the header files |
| 00:51.33 | davidc__ | roxfan: actually microchip does a clever thing where the header files are just extern defs |
| 00:51.46 | davidc__ | and the actual locations are stored in an object file, using absolute symbols |
| 00:51.52 | roxfan | o.o |
| 00:52.02 | roxfan | bizarre |
| 00:52.16 | davidc__ | its nice in a way - GDB knows about the IO regs then |
| 00:52.51 | davidc__ | roxfan: I've actually since extended that idea with a custom python script that generates dwarf2 debug info for the object file as well |
| 00:53.26 | davidc__ | so the regs are the right size + everything [now to emit dwarf-2 bitfields /enums so GDB displays everything even nicer] |
| 00:53.37 | roxfan | hmm |
| 00:56.17 | MonMotha | davidc__: have you seen what Freescale does? |
| 00:56.25 | davidc__ | MonMotha: nope |
| 00:56.31 | MonMotha | they define all their peripheral register maps as structs with bitfields |
| 00:56.44 | MonMotha | they even use unions to let you refer to some quantities as bytes or words as you may need |
| 00:57.01 | MonMotha | I guess their compiler supports anonymous unions (gcc does in gnu extension mode) |
| 00:57.07 | MonMotha | handy, but boy are those header files complicated |
| 00:57.59 | roxfan | nxp uses structs too, but no bitfields |
| 00:58.06 | MonMotha | does make some compiler assumptions though. IIRC, you have to add attribute(packed) if you want to use gcc on it |
| 00:59.46 | davidc__ | MonMotha: my plan wasn't to actually use the structs in compilation; just emit debug info for them, so GDB can print them nicely |
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| 01:01.09 | MonMotha | davidc__: that does eliminate some of the compiler issues, at least |
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| 14:34.23 | prpplague | anyone experience in making JNI's for java? |
| 14:35.39 | sjhill | shivers |
| 14:35.50 | sjhill | about 8 years ago |
| 14:35.58 | sjhill | i doubt i can be any help |
| 14:37.10 | prpplague | is trying to figure out the best way to interface some character based drivers to java app |
| 14:38.18 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:38.50 | sjhill | hey chouimat |
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| 14:39.11 | sjhill | busybox shell scripts are confusing me |
| 14:39.24 | sjhill | i have a script that i want ran at boot time |
| 14:39.39 | sjhill | if i run the script normally from the command line, i get output from all my commands that execute |
| 14:52.34 | sjhill | if i have the same script ran during bootup, the messages disappear |
| 14:54.53 | prpplague | sjhill: yea depending on where you are running it from, the stdout is taken over and redirected to null |
| 14:55.57 | sjhill | how do you know when that will happen and how do you stop it? |
| 14:57.46 | prpplague | sjhill: usually that occurs when you are executing the applications from within the inittab and from the rc init script system |
| 14:57.57 | prpplague | sjhill: where are you inserting the script at? |
| 15:01.46 | sjhill | yep, that's exactly what i'm doing |
| 15:02.11 | sjhill | /etc/rc.d/rcS that then calls all the S??xxxx files |
| 15:02.20 | sjhill | rcS being called by inittab |
| 15:04.40 | sjhill | any ideas how to fix? |
| 15:08.45 | prpplague | sjhill: sounds like someone has done a custom configuration, as that isn't the normal config for most buildroot and OE builds |
| 15:08.54 | prpplague | sjhill: can you pastebin your inittab file? |
| 15:09.26 | sjhill | well yeah, i did :) |
| 15:10.03 | sjhill | null::sysinit:/etc/init.d/rcS start |
| 15:10.05 | sjhill | umm |
| 15:10.11 | sjhill | that null should be console, huh? |
| 15:10.46 | sjhill | console::respawn:-/bin/sh |
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| 15:13.46 | prpplague | sjhill: or "si" which will use the console as default |
| 15:14.16 | prpplague | sjhill: are you using sysv init or the busybox init? |
| 15:14.20 | sjhill | busybox |
| 15:16.06 | prpplague | sjhill: yea try it as - |
| 15:16.20 | prpplague | si::sysinit:/etc/init.d/rcS start |
| 15:17.53 | sjhill | ok |
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| 15:47.26 | sjhill | prpplague: "si" did not work, but "console" did |
| 15:47.27 | sjhill | thx! |
| 15:47.39 | prpplague | sjhill: interesting |
| 15:48.10 | prpplague | sjhill: you probably have another setting that is messing with the default for "si" |
| 15:48.16 | prpplague | sjhill: but as long as it works! |
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| 16:01.38 | prpplague | any of you guys used the rxtxcomm stuff for java? |
| 16:03.40 | CosmicPenguin | search folders work pretty well in thunderbird - I must use them more |
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| 16:09.01 | prpplague | hmm, this is really really really enforcing the idea that i hate java |
| 16:31.28 | chouimat | prpplague: the only place I really like java is in my mug every morning ;) |
| 16:31.45 | prpplague | chouimat: hehe |
| 16:32.01 | prpplague | every time i work with it, it just makes me want to vomit |
| 16:32.36 | chouimat | prpplague: I know the feeling ... I have some MFC and VB code that will do the same for me |
| 16:35.35 | chouimat | cool just received my books about iphone development I ordered Wednesday |
| 16:40.23 | SpeedEvil | is loving his new phone. |
| 16:40.32 | SpeedEvil | But it's not really got a comparable app-store. |
| 16:41.11 | chouimat | SpeedEvil: I still use qt-extended on my freerunner as a phone ... I just got myself an ipod touch |
| 16:41.30 | SpeedEvil | n900 |
| 16:41.46 | chouimat | SpeedEvil: still a little expensive |
| 16:41.48 | SpeedEvil | I never got FR - spent cash on neo1973 |
| 16:41.50 | SpeedEvil | indeed. |
| 16:41.58 | SpeedEvil | I managed to get it ~1/2 price |
| 16:42.07 | SpeedEvil | And subsidised that substantially through a diet. |
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| 16:42.28 | SpeedEvil | Down ~14Kg :) |
| 16:42.43 | chouimat | nice |
| 16:43.30 | SpeedEvil | app-store launched as alpha - then was pulled shortly afterwards, when it was realised apt-get install paidapp worked |
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| 16:44.32 | SpeedEvil | chouimat: Got a few ideas for apps? |
| 16:45.29 | chouimat | SpeedEvil: I'm still working on it ... |
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| 16:47.16 | prpplague | chouimat: the "Quagmire" iphone, using the GPS and maps applications show all the locations of the women you have slept with in a 5 block radius |
| 16:47.30 | chouimat | prpplague: ROFL |
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| 16:51.22 | prpplague | darn, this crazy texas weather |
| 16:51.33 | prpplague | is going to have to go to the house to get some sinus medicine |
| 16:51.35 | prpplague | brb |
| 17:05.51 | CosmicPenguin | sends his first email from @codeaurora.org |
| 17:05.57 | madsy_ | Hm, why isn't there a version of the ARM Architecture Reference Manual available for ARMv7? |
| 17:06.26 | madsy_ | Either as deadwood for sale, or as pdf on infocenter.arm.com. |
| 17:06.40 | kergoth | wonders what codeaurora is, looks at the site |
| 17:06.49 | madsy_ | Sucks for Cortex-people :-) |
| 17:07.12 | kergoth | the code aurora forum sounds similar to meld |
| 17:07.57 | CosmicPenguin | Gee, I wonder why.... |
| 17:08.57 | kergoth | ? |
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| 17:10.12 | madsy_ | «This document is available only to registered ARM customers. Click here ARM Architecture Reference Manual ARMv7-A and ARMv7R request to register and download this document.» |
| 17:10.16 | madsy_ | Suuucks.. :-( |
| 17:12.28 | chouimat | madsy_: registration is free btw |
| 17:12.55 | madsy_ | Yes, but I want to put the document available on my blog. |
| 17:13.19 | madsy_ | I'm scraping the net for most specifications relevant for the Nokia N900 |
| 17:13.34 | madsy_ | To save others from doing the same work. |
| 17:13.41 | chouimat | is build an iphone toolchain for linux |
| 17:13.44 | kergoth | eh |
| 17:13.54 | kergoth | is turned off by the codeaurora contribution agreement |
| 17:14.02 | SpeedEvil | madsy_: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:N900_Hardware |
| 17:14.06 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: heh |
| 17:14.08 | madsy_ | But I guess the ARMv6 ARMARM have to suffice. |
| 17:14.10 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: yeah, I figured as much |
| 17:15.03 | madsy_ | SpeedEvil: Great :-) |
| 17:15.40 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: you wouldn't be a very in touch developer if you were okay with it |
| 17:15.49 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:16.26 | kergoth | i could see requiring that the code be a license thats sufficiently open, but granting an unresitricted license to the forum sets off all sorts of alarms in my head :) |
| 17:16.37 | madsy_ | SpeedEvil: It seems to lack the specs for the OMAP and TMS320C64x+ DSP though. Which I have. |
| 17:16.50 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: I hold out not much hope for independent contributions |
| 17:18.10 | SpeedEvil | madsy_: yes - there are a number of missing things. |
| 17:18.29 | SpeedEvil | USB PHY chip'd be good too |
| 17:18.46 | madsy_ | Finding the TMS320C64x+ DSP spec took me like 20 minutes. It was hidden beyond 10 links of layers, and a broken search engine. |
| 17:24.45 | CosmicPenguin | my kingdom for a thunderbird calendar plugin that can grok an exchange server |
| 17:56.25 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: evolution |
| 17:56.30 | sjhill | which i hate |
| 18:02.42 | prpplague | returns |
| 18:04.05 | prpplague | did i mention that i _hate_ java? |
| 18:07.51 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 18:08.15 | SpeedEvil | It's better than activex |
| 18:08.43 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: evo- what? |
| 18:10.21 | sjhill | heh |
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| 18:17.48 | prpplague | hmm |
| 18:17.59 | prpplague | rxtxcomm problems :( |
| 18:19.57 | chouimat | just had his weekend planning throw out the windows |
| 18:23.52 | prpplague | @#$! |
| 18:24.18 | prpplague | keeping getting an error that javac can't find the class i need to import |
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| 18:39.00 | prpplague | bangs head on desk |
| 18:44.35 | prpplague | any with experience using the rxtxcomm stuff in java? |
| 18:44.51 | Crofton | prpplague, stop swearing ! |
| 18:45.01 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 18:54.00 | Madsy | http://www.madsy.net/2010/01/nokia-n900-specifications.html |
| 18:54.56 | Madsy | That list and the Maemo.org wiki should complement each other. |
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| 18:58.40 | prpplague | hmm, i need to add jar to my classpath |
| 19:00.11 | CosmicPenguin | I did that once - it took three firemen and a container of vasoline jelly to get it out |
| 19:05.17 | calculus | prpplague: javac -cp myjar.jar MyClass.java |
| 19:05.52 | prpplague | calculus: yep, thanks, just found it |
| 19:06.21 | calculus | is programming in java right now |
| 19:06.33 | calculus | and practically since I was hired |
| 19:08.05 | calculus | it gets fun when the path separators are different on windows and *nix, java -cp jar1.jar:jar2.jar (on Linux) and java -cp jar1.jar;jar2.jar (on Windows) |
| 19:20.28 | florian | re |
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| 19:22.28 | prpplague | calculus: you have experience with the rxtxcomm stuff? |
| 19:29.22 | prpplague | calculus: now is it me, or are the howto's and docs for many of these classes just non-existant? |
| 19:34.40 | prpplague | calculus: hmm, i know how to set a system property from command line, what is the procedure for doing that inside your class? |
| 19:36.48 | prpplague | calculus: nm found it |
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| 19:37.29 | prpplague | throws jar files at Crofton |
| 19:38.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i think i'm doomed to be a jack of many trades and a master of none :( |
| 19:38.53 | CosmicPenguin | Welcome to my world |
| 19:39.02 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:39.06 | CosmicPenguin | My biggest curse is that I have a strong background in builds |
| 19:39.36 | kergoth | heh, its easy to get sucked into the build/scm side of things if you aren't careful and admit what you know. same with admin |
| 19:39.51 | ohsix | jarate? |
| 19:39.57 | CosmicPenguin | Even with apps |
| 19:40.24 | CosmicPenguin | I'm a full time developer, demo writer, test writer, tester, builder, release monkey |
| 19:40.27 | kergoth | is happy thus far in his current position at mv he's managed to avoid the kernel work |
| 19:40.33 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: yikes |
| 19:40.35 | CosmicPenguin | trainer |
| 19:40.47 | CosmicPenguin | And this is a biggg company - we have groups that do all those things |
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| 19:41.29 | CosmicPenguin | I guess what I do is just new enough, scary enough and Linuxy enough to set off alarm bells |
| 19:41.50 | kergoth | i like dabbling in different areas, until i suddenly have responsibility in them all :) |
| 19:42.04 | CosmicPenguin | I don't mind writing the demo, I enjoy that |
| 19:42.11 | CosmicPenguin | but then I need to package it and send it to the customer |
| 19:42.14 | CosmicPenguin | and then it needs supporting |
| 19:42.18 | CosmicPenguin | and then it needs new features |
| 19:42.45 | CosmicPenguin | And somewhere along the line it becomes expected of me |
| 19:46.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i feel really weird talking to some customers, i mean , i'm not a great programmer, or a great EE, but i get the work done and i get it done on time |
| 19:47.14 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, but you run your own house |
| 19:47.21 | CosmicPenguin | I'm a cog in an otherwise indifferent system |
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| 19:56.21 | sjhill | alright, i'm getting really ticked off |
| 19:56.36 | sjhill | i cannot get a ramdisk on the Beagleboard to work |
| 19:56.53 | sjhill | it finds it, decompresses it and then panics the kernel because (1,0) block device isn't found |
| 19:56.56 | sjhill | which is crap |
| 19:57.01 | sjhill | the device node is in there |
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| 20:17.02 | calculus | prpplague: no experience with rxtxcomm |
| 20:17.37 | calculus | prpplague: mostly, what is referred to as standard java (there is mobile java, and enterprise java) |
| 20:18.08 | prpplague | calculus: yea, found the problem i was having |
| 20:18.28 | calculus | prpplague: http://www.darpa.mil/ipto/programs/bl/bl.asp <-- the project I am working on |
| 20:18.57 | prpplague | calculus: the rxtxcomm stuff is pretty robust uart communications, but their standard config values limit it to looking for and working with uarts instead of other char devices such as pseudo ttys |
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| 20:50.58 | prpplague | calculus: interesting |
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| 22:33.01 | CosmicPenguin | prepares the banhammer |
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| 23:57.32 | Mirell | ? |