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| 00:28.04 | wmat | orly_owl: not to my knowledge |
| 00:34.37 | roxfan | you can write some |
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| 02:12.44 | landley | Morning. |
| 02:13.01 | landley | Working on the changelog for FWL 0.9.10 release. |
| 02:23.50 | roxfan | the hardes part |
| 02:23.55 | roxfan | hardest |
| 02:32.42 | landley | Certainly one of the most time consuming and fiddly... |
| 02:32.46 | landley | Updating the READMEs too... |
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| 02:44.28 | Mirell | Hmm... |
| 02:45.16 | landley | Mirell: hmmm? |
| 02:45.28 | Mirell | Oh, just bleh. Looking at job boards. |
| 02:46.02 | landley | Being able to use Ruby at your current one merely made it less uninteresting, I take it? |
| 02:46.18 | Mirell | Yah |
| 02:46.24 | landley | How goes Sergio's thing? |
| 02:46.37 | Mirell | I have accomplished nothing on it in the last 24 hours? |
| 02:46.44 | landley | I know the feeling. |
| 02:46.48 | landley | Still, glasses money... |
| 02:47.10 | Mirell | The feeling of meeting you, going to sleep, going to work, and then being at home, so having around 2 hours to potentially look at it? |
| 02:47.28 | landley | I wasn't pestering you, I was merely curious. :) |
| 02:47.37 | landley | It's out of my hands now. Got the drive mailed back today, even... |
| 02:48.10 | landley | Considering I had it for a month and change and got zip done, you're way ahead of me already. :) |
| 02:49.37 | Mirell | landley: And actually, it'd be taxes money. |
| 02:50.03 | landley | Yay money, either way... |
| 02:50.13 | Mirell | For the business. |
| 02:50.23 | landley | The business has to pay taxes? |
| 02:50.33 | landley | I thought it hadn't made a profit. |
| 02:50.38 | Mirell | For filing the taxes. |
| 02:51.00 | landley | Ah. That shouldn't cost all that much. |
| 02:51.10 | Mirell | $350 |
| 02:51.15 | landley | Ouch. |
| 02:51.30 | landley | Doesn't paychex have most of that info already...? |
| 02:51.36 | Mirell | Yes. |
| 02:51.41 | Mirell | $350. |
| 02:51.54 | landley | $350 to _paychex_? |
| 02:52.07 | Mirell | H&R. |
| 02:52.17 | landley | Sigh. Kind of evil either way. |
| 02:52.23 | Mirell | Evil? |
| 02:52.38 | landley | $350 to fill out a form that we already have all the info for. |
| 02:52.51 | landley | Just because said form is intentionally designed to be a minefield. |
| 02:53.08 | Mirell | Yes, that $350 also covers if they screw up, it's their fault. |
| 02:53.32 | Mirell | As opposed to if I screw up, it's a penalty fee, plus a fee for that fee, plus something else just because. |
| 02:53.47 | landley | See "intentionally designed to be a minefield". Sigh... |
| 02:53.59 | landley | Ok, protection money to H&R for "insurance". |
| 02:54.20 | Mirell | How dare they make money off that? |
| 02:55.54 | landley | It's somewhere between paychex being evil for not submitting the paperwork for us since they collected the money, the feds being evil for making it so that paychex can't do something like that in good faith without exposing themselves to huge liability, and H&R for lobbying to make sure the situation stays a profitable minefield for them instead of being _fixed_. |
| 02:56.15 | Mirell | PayChex did submit the Quartely Reports. |
| 02:56.28 | Mirell | They are a payroll processing company. |
| 02:56.39 | Mirell | There are other financial aspects of the business than *just* payroll. |
| 02:57.06 | landley | There was a recent proposal to allow the IRS to offer you pre-filled-out forms with the information they already had, via their website. Guess who spent lots of money lobbying against that? H&R... |
| 02:57.18 | Mirell | Anyway, there's no point. |
| 02:57.19 | landley | That was for personal rather than business taxes, but the principle's the same... |
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| 03:28.42 | Mirell | landley: Friend of mine may have a quick job for you |
| 03:34.26 | landley | Mirell: oh? |
| 03:34.29 | landley | I'm all ears. :) |
| 03:36.10 | landley | I just put in the bid proposal for that CELF "add bootchart to busybox" thing. (Told 'em it's a two week job, which it is because the android code they pointed me at is under the apache 2 license which isn't compatible with GPLv2, and the GPLv2 code they have is a bash script.) |
| 03:36.50 | landley | If it was just busyboxifying/testing/merging existing C code instead of writing a new one, it'd only be a 1 week job... |
| 03:37.39 | Mirell | landley: I gave him your e-mail |
| 03:37.52 | landley | Woot. Thanks. |
| 03:38.19 | landley | You know, I'd absolutely _adore_ the contracting lifestyle if it wasn't for the job hunting. |
| 03:38.21 | landley | I hate job hunting. |
| 03:38.25 | landley | This is CONSTANT job hunting. |
| 03:38.43 | Mirell | landley: All right if he calls you? |
| 03:38.48 | SpeedEvil | I periodically wonder if most of the functions of busybox couldn't be eaten by busybox awk - augmented a little. |
| 03:38.51 | Mirell | On IM right now. |
| 03:38.54 | SpeedEvil | With more flexibility. |
| 03:39.04 | landley | If I could just dial up some web page and order little contracts off of it like a menu... |
| 03:39.06 | landley | Mirell: sure. |
| 03:39.42 | SpeedEvil | rentacoder? |
| 03:39.45 | landley | SpeedEvil: or done as shell scripts in ash. |
| 03:39.58 | SpeedEvil | landley: that too |
| 03:40.18 | landley | However, 95% of what we implement is there because existing scripts and such expect those commands with that syntax. |
| 03:40.31 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 03:40.43 | landley | So does SUSv4, and even in the embedded world porting an app to a posix environment is easier than coming up with something new from scratch. |
| 03:40.45 | SpeedEvil | I was looking through the n900 init scripts |
| 03:40.52 | SpeedEvil | and found quite a lot of stuff like that |
| 03:40.59 | SpeedEvil | for example - stuff like: |
| 03:41.16 | SpeedEvil | ps|grep name|awk '{print $1}'|xargs kill |
| 03:41.22 | SpeedEvil | rather than using pidof |
| 03:41.40 | SpeedEvil | Probably slowing down boot by a total of 150ms or so. |
| 03:41.52 | SpeedEvil | And sure - it's 150ms - but it's free |
| 03:42.22 | Mirell | SpeedEvil: pkill -lf name |
| 03:42.23 | Mirell | Done. |
| 03:42.34 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 03:42.41 | SpeedEvil | that's probably even better |
| 03:42.44 | Mirell | That and pgrep |
| 03:42.45 | SpeedEvil | and it indeed is there |
| 03:42.48 | Mirell | Marvelous utilities. |
| 03:42.52 | SpeedEvil | as is pgrep |
| 03:44.28 | Mirell | I rewrote a horrendous, horrendous series of pstree + grep + awk + kill + wombat with just two lines of pkill |
| 03:44.49 | Mirell | Made it 100% rather than 95% accurate, and less than one second rather than 5. |
| 03:45.28 | SpeedEvil | Initially I started out with awk '/psname/' /proc/*/exe - which was lots faster |
| 03:45.35 | SpeedEvil | but then I noticed pidof |
| 03:52.24 | landley | lsof is another fun one. |
| 03:53.35 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 03:54.42 | landley | Especially with things like "lsof -i4" which shows your open ipv4 connections. |
| 03:55.15 | SpeedEvil | needs to finally understand dbus. |
| 03:55.22 | Mirell | It's UDS on steroids. |
| 03:55.35 | SpeedEvil | I've managed to put off learning it - but it's kinda important on the n900. |
| 03:55.52 | landley | It's yet another inter-process communication mechanism. |
| 03:55.56 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 03:56.11 | SpeedEvil | I know. I just need to work out how to snoop it and stuff |
| 03:56.32 | SpeedEvil | and finish off trying to get USB host working on n900 |
| 04:02.19 | landley | Yay, yet another way uClibc 0.9.30.2 broke stuff that worked in 0.9.30.1. |
| 04:02.28 | Mirell | landley: Check your e-mail |
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| 18:08.16 | madsy | Sure. Just like relocatable files and core files. |
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| 20:07.46 | wmat | prpplague: i'm not sure, did you pust to a list or just email me and Tim? |
| 20:18.02 | prpplague | wmat: i thought i put it on the list |
| 20:18.07 | prpplague | checks |
| 20:19.04 | prpplague | wmat: i sent it to wiki-dev@elinux.org |
| 20:21.00 | prpplague | wmat: doh, i sent it from the wrong account |
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