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| 14:14.43 | sjhill | prpplague: you around? |
| 14:14.53 | prpplague | sjhill: yep |
| 14:14.58 | prpplague | sjhill: just got into the office |
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| 14:51.01 | wmat | prpplague: any idea where the APEX bootloader wiki went? |
| 14:51.14 | wmat | prpplague: did it all move to elinux.org/APEX |
| 14:51.54 | prpplague | wmat: yea, i have it mirrored on http://www.rad-tech-labs.com and the wiki page is at elinux.org |
| 14:52.00 | prpplague | wmat: why what's up? |
| 14:52.14 | wmat | someone was asking about documentation |
| 15:12.00 | kergoth | hey |
| 15:13.31 | T0mW | wmat: hey, no profanity1 |
| 15:18.49 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:19.23 | wmat | T0mW: heh |
| 15:19.25 | T0mW | chouimat: late morning |
| 15:19.30 | T0mW | chouimat: heh |
| 15:20.06 | T0mW | wmat: documentation == evil, especially if I have to generate it. :-/ |
| 15:20.40 | chouimat | T0mW: managed to have a full night of sleep in weeks, so I'm not to angry to get up late ... just hope my insmonia are over |
| 15:21.18 | T0mW | chouimat: I woke up this morning feeling like someone punched me all night long. |
| 15:21.40 | T0mW | chouimat: my ex-wife used to do that when I snored, but, it wasnt' that |
| 15:21.41 | chouimat | not good |
| 15:22.16 | chouimat | man this connection is slow :( |
| 15:22.52 | T0mW | chouimat: data has to pee through all those gov't agencies "monitoring" the net... |
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| 15:23.21 | chouimat | hehe |
| 15:24.50 | prpplague | wmat: ahh ok |
| 15:25.19 | prpplague | wmat: apex is currently at a stand still untill i can find more time |
| 15:25.55 | wmat | prpplague: there was a guy in #elinux asking for help, nick: cryptk or something similar |
| 15:26.02 | wmat | he disappeared though |
| 15:28.34 | wmat | T0mW: I was reading something recently about the sad state of documentation for most OSS. It specifically complained that a large problem is that most devs think generating docs using doxygen, or javadoc, or whatever is sufficient. |
| 15:28.51 | T0mW | snort |
| 15:29.14 | T0mW | yeah, code is so self-documenting, wouldn't you say so? |
| 15:30.25 | wmat | sometimes |
| 15:30.38 | T0mW | wmat: problem I have is clueless (skill-less) customers who want a keystroke-by-keystroke documentation of how to install / use something. Drives me nuts when you don't have "some" background in the technologies used. |
| 15:30.52 | wmat | no doubt |
| 15:31.16 | T0mW | "check to see the subnet your computer is on: ifconfig eth0, and look at ipaddr" |
| 15:31.47 | chouimat | ok 362 minutes to go before th CD is here :( |
| 15:32.22 | T0mW | I just double the cost of any work to those people, when they bitch, I tell them documentation costs. |
| 15:32.34 | T0mW | chouimat: what are you waiting for? |
| 15:33.09 | chouimat | i lost the cd that came with my devkit8000 so i'm downloading it from there ftp server ... in china |
| 15:33.17 | T0mW | gak |
| 15:33.31 | T0mW | chouimat: there you go, gov't slowdown |
| 15:33.46 | T0mW | chouimat: must be something subversive |
| 15:33.53 | chouimat | T0mW: hehe |
| 15:34.57 | T0mW | I've been thinking of embedding thermal detectors under my hardwood floor, then hooking them up to a little embedded system to monitor / control the home heating system. |
| 15:35.53 | chouimat | T0mW: I have friend who did this ... and he used CANBus to do it |
| 15:36.02 | T0mW | temperature of the floor ranges between 68..83 degrees, depending on the air temp of the room. I'm thinking of having the controller set a minimum temp for the floor. |
| 15:36.26 | T0mW | chouimat: interesting, can I get in touch with him? |
| 15:36.42 | T0mW | chouimat: or, send my email to him. |
| 15:36.52 | T0mW | purl: t0mw |
| 15:36.53 | purl | hmm... t0mw is at tom@openhardware.net, or has a website at http://www.openhardware.net |
| 15:37.10 | chouimat | T0mW: it will be hard he kind of dispear, I had no contact with him in 3 years and nobody know where he is |
| 15:37.19 | T0mW | ah |
| 15:37.27 | T0mW | it happens |
| 15:37.42 | chouimat | he probably joined a religious sect or something like that |
| 15:38.18 | T0mW | I'd also like the system to monitor the oil burner lockout and sump pump, then give alerts based on that. |
| 15:38.43 | T0mW | chouimat: yeah, probably doing WinCE and is ashamed to talk with his old friends. |
| 15:39.29 | chouimat | T0mW: at the end he was really religious, he was talking to the Virgin Mary and she was answering to him |
| 15:39.34 | T0mW | I have some old dev boards, s3c2410 stuff, that I could use and make a nice touch panel setup with a backlit touchpanel. |
| 15:39.37 | chouimat | ok not religious weird |
| 15:39.40 | kergoth | chouimat: yikes |
| 15:39.49 | T0mW | chouimat: LOL, good drugs! |
| 15:40.12 | chouimat | and add paranoia to the mix and you have a really good combo |
| 15:40.20 | kergoth | my uncle's gone off the deep end like that on occasion, we're pretty sure he's schizophrenic |
| 15:40.22 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:40.31 | T0mW | kergoth: ex-military? |
| 15:40.55 | kergoth | nah |
| 15:41.02 | T0mW | kergoth: my uncle would get that "thousand yard stare", he did three tours in vietnam |
| 15:41.10 | kergoth | ah, damn |
| 15:41.15 | T0mW | ex-air force |
| 15:41.21 | T0mW | ground crew |
| 15:41.36 | kergoth | my uncle is highly intelligent, completely socially isolated, lives on the street voluntarily, family history of depression, alcoholism, etc. not sure why he's farther out in left field than the rest of us.. |
| 15:42.30 | T0mW | all he ever said was that they had to hole up in the barracks in the morning so the minesweepers could go out and find where the VC moved the perimeter landmines overnight. |
| 15:42.51 | T0mW | kergoth: that is so sad |
| 15:43.14 | T0mW | kergoth: in another time, he would have found his place. |
| 15:43.28 | kergoth | i think being on his own has exacerbated the problem. with no one to bounce ideas off of, yours can get pretty out there |
| 15:43.34 | kergoth | yeah, perhaps |
| 15:44.02 | T0mW | yeah, being in my own head is not a good place for me either. |
| 15:44.10 | kergoth | hehe. i think thats probably true for most of us |
| 15:44.16 | T0mW | lol |
| 15:44.27 | wmat | lucky we have this channel ;) |
| 15:44.37 | T0mW | yeah, group therapy |
| 15:45.00 | sjhill | gives everyone a hug |
| 15:45.12 | T0mW | ok, I've got to go see Carmen and get her computer back to her... |
| 15:45.25 | T0mW | THAT's therapy! |
| 15:45.43 | kergoth | who's carmen, again? |
| 15:45.52 | T0mW | cute cuban gal |
| 15:46.04 | kergoth | ah, excellent. |
| 15:46.07 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:46.28 | chouimat | :) |
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| 16:06.36 | DJTachyon | hello all |
| 16:07.02 | prpplague | DJTachyon: greetings earthling |
| 16:07.59 | DJTachyon | :) |
| 16:08.33 | DJTachyon | im trying to design a system here and I keep running into roadblocks |
| 16:08.45 | DJTachyon | it's fairly conceptual right now, but im looking for some feedback |
| 16:09.18 | prpplague | DJTachyon: ask away, if someone is available and has some feedback they will post as soon as they are available to do so |
| 16:11.23 | DJTachyon | I am designing an embedded system around the TI Delfino TMS320F28335 MCU, the Xilinx Spartan-3E, and a SPI Flash ... The real trick is I need to be able to reprogram the DSP over the communication bus. |
| 16:12.04 | DJTachyon | I'm pouring over application notes and data sheets trying to find a way to do it without really adding more hardware |
| 16:12.44 | DJTachyon | any suggestions would be great |
| 16:15.28 | SpeedEvil | do you mean without adding much cost to the design? |
| 16:16.50 | DJTachyon | well ... i have a fairly severe layout restriction and can't afford to add components. Development time isn't really an issue |
| 16:18.27 | DJTachyon | the comm interface is into the DSP .. the DSP has bootloading options, but the internal memory is limited and I can't afford to execute it out of RAM... |
| 16:23.15 | DJTachyon | how difficult would implementing a jtag programming interface from an FPGA be? |
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| 16:25.58 | sjhill | DJTachyon: is the SPI for the Xilinx? |
| 16:34.04 | DJTachyon | yes |
| 16:34.19 | DJTachyon | and for NV storage for the DSP |
| 16:34.38 | DJTachyon | and, if possible/needed, program storage for the DSP |
| 16:34.46 | DJTachyon | ill be back after lunch ... |
| 16:37.49 | DJTachyon | btw, http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/litabsmultiplefilelist.tsp?literatureNumber=spraal3 seems to be the most useful so far |
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| 16:40.21 | bgamari | Does the Beagle board driver not have any spi_board_info in 2.6.32? |
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| 21:18.16 | ercani | hi |
| 21:18.54 | prpplague | ercani: greetings earthling |
| 21:25.19 | ercani | prpplague: I have a question about a software running on wince |
| 21:25.37 | ercani | you have told me about input layer |
| 21:25.37 | prpplague | ercani: most people do |
| 21:26.08 | ercani | I have asked you about keypad, remember ? |
| 21:26.22 | prpplague | yea |
| 21:26.55 | ercani | say there are some text on the gui |
| 21:27.02 | ercani | can I access them ? |
| 21:27.21 | prpplague | ercani: you will need to explain with more detail |
| 21:28.11 | ercani | I want to use that text |
| 21:28.20 | ercani | want to write it into a text file |
| 21:28.49 | ercani | I have a gps device and there is a map software |
| 21:30.09 | prpplague | i supose you could do some sort of cut and paste, but without know the details of the system, there is really no way for me to answer |
| 21:30.46 | ercani | ok I will explain in more details |
| 21:33.57 | ercani | prpplague: u have gps or win mobile ? |
| 21:34.41 | prpplague | ercani: i have both, however there are so many variations as to the way the software could have been implemented that i could not even give a guess as to what features are available to you |
| 21:35.48 | ercani | I wll upload a map software, could u have a look ? |
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| 21:37.09 | prpplague | ercani: sorry no, i can't spend my time working on someone else's project |
| 21:37.23 | ercani | ok |
| 21:42.25 | ercani | prpplague: just want to ask, there are city names on the screen |
| 21:42.54 | ercani | it starts from 1 to 80 |
| 21:43.04 | ercani | need to touch to screen to choose one |
| 21:43.30 | ercani | is there any way to choose ? i dont want to touch to screen |
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| 21:46.41 | prpplague | ercani: like i said, if you want to do some other method of entry you need to write an input layer driver |
| 21:47.15 | prpplague | ercani: sounds like you are trying to automate a gps navigation application |
| 21:47.45 | ercani | yes |
| 21:48.02 | ercani | tyring to integrate speech system |
| 21:48.32 | prpplague | ercani: most GPS applications have a network socket or driver interface that allows you to pass information to the application |
| 21:48.41 | prpplague | best to look at the source of the application |
| 21:48.51 | prpplague | (or documentation) |
| 21:49.00 | ercani | u mean source code ? |
| 21:49.18 | prpplague | yea |
| 21:49.20 | ercani | i dont have source code so trying to find aanother way |
| 21:49.34 | prpplague | that is probably going to be very very very hard |
| 21:49.51 | ercani | how about touch screen controller ? |
| 21:50.46 | ercani | i checked out the file and it uses franson gps dll to communicate with gps receiver |
| 21:52.42 | prpplague | ercani: that doesnt sound correct |
| 21:52.59 | prpplague | ercani: the touchscreen controller driver should communicate with the input layer |
| 21:53.29 | ercani | then I need to use input layer ? |
| 21:53.50 | ercani | I thought I can click on screen by using controller |
| 21:54.33 | prpplague | bangs head on desk |
| 21:54.51 | ercani | :( |
| 21:55.01 | ercani | ok |
| 21:55.13 | prpplague | ercani: all input devices, mouse, keyboard, touchscreen, all input devices talk to the input layer |
| 21:55.30 | prpplague | ercani: the input layer then "announces" the information to programs that are listening |
| 21:56.04 | ercani | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.40 | prpplague | ercani: if you are writing a speech recognition program, and your say the word "enter" you need to report to the input layer that the "enter" button has been pressed |
| 22:00.31 | ercani | yes |
| 22:01.56 | ercani | you think it takes time ? |
| 22:02.15 | ercani | or just like touching |
| 22:06.22 | ercani | ok I got you |
| 22:06.34 | ercani | thnks |
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| 22:34.57 | _new_Dev_`tv | Hi all! |
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