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| 00:52.47 | prpplague | Mirell pisst |
| 00:52.51 | prpplague | Mirell you around? |
| 00:54.18 | prpplague | landley hey crackster |
| 00:57.25 | prpplague | cbrake ping |
| 00:58.18 | prpplague | hmm everytime i type something someone leaves the channel |
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| 01:22.34 | Mirell | prpplague: I'm back home now |
| 01:44.16 | prpplague | Mirell i'm trying to talk her into coming up to texas for college |
| 01:48.10 | Mirell | Hee |
| 01:50.15 | prpplague | Mirell i counted up the other day, and about 1/2 of Donna's cousins are marked to canadians, and then about 30% are married to texans, and the rest are married to other bajans |
| 01:50.25 | prpplague | s/marked/married |
| 01:52.24 | prpplague | davidc__ hows biz? |
| 01:52.53 | prpplague | checks landley.net to see what the latest going ons |
| 01:52.54 | davidc__ | prpplague: consulting isn't going too quickly, but I'm happy with it that way, gives me time to get my first product out the door |
| 01:52.57 | calculus | landley: you may want to try tmux (http://tmux.sourceforge.net/) as an alternative to screen |
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| 01:53.28 | prpplague | kergoth hey bud |
| 01:53.42 | kergoth | hey |
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| 02:05.05 | Mirell | prpplague: Google finally said now |
| 02:05.08 | Mirell | prpplague: Er, no. |
| 02:08.23 | NullMoogleCable | checking build system type... Invalid configuration `armv5tej-sl-unknown-linux-gnu': machine `armv5tej-sl-unknown' not recognized |
| 02:08.37 | NullMoogleCable | awww i cant just compile prboom on my diji |
| 02:16.50 | NullMoogleCable | on second thought... setting the shutdown sound to never give you up was a bad idea lol |
| 02:16.54 | NullMoogleCable | ls |
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| 02:34.20 | NullMoogleCable | http://wtfmoogle.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/DSCN5254.JPG |
| 02:34.20 | NullMoogleCable | he he |
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| 02:43.22 | prpplague | Mirell yea was just reading it |
| 02:43.32 | prpplague | Mirell that seems a little weird though |
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| 02:49.59 | madsy | NullMoogleCable: hahah :-) |
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| 04:04.56 | shoppe | hello |
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| 04:06.19 | shoppe | hello. i am trying to build an app for a system using uclibc. |
| 04:07.09 | shoppe | is it possible to have the file use libc.so.6 by specifying at runtime? |
| 04:07.15 | shoppe | or do i need to recompile? |
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| 05:43.26 | shoppe | hello. quick question. i just got uclib built and installed. i |
| 05:43.28 | shoppe | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.31 | shoppe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:26.52 | kergoth | morning |
| 15:29.13 | prpplague | kergoth: greetings |
| 15:29.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: greetings |
| 15:34.25 | CosmicPenguin | hiya |
| 15:37.22 | prpplague | lordy lordy |
| 15:37.39 | prpplague | i have _never_ seen soooo much snow in DFW |
| 15:37.56 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 15:38.01 | prpplague | goes outside to make some yellow snow |
| 15:38.06 | SpeedEvil | Most snowy year here for a while too |
| 15:38.47 | wmat | prpplague: and we've had hardly any snow where I am in waterloo, on |
| 15:39.56 | wmat | the US got hammered this winter it would seem |
| 15:40.01 | wmat | as did the UK |
| 15:40.12 | prpplague | indeed |
| 15:40.42 | prpplague | we are at about 3 inches now, and they are saying we might have 6 by the end of the storm tonight |
| 15:40.51 | SpeedEvil | http://amayfield.posterous.com/nasa-image-of-the-uk-under-snow |
| 15:41.53 | prpplague | http://i.imwx.com/web/radar/us_sc_9regradar_plus_usen.jpg |
| 15:44.07 | prpplague | doesn't feel very good today |
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| 16:37.32 | prpplague | never seen so much snow in dallas before |
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| 17:54.58 | davidc__ | prpplague: yeah, you and the brits are stealing all the snow that shoulda been coming here. |
| 17:57.02 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:01.47 | _ABC | davidc__: would you happen to know of a way to switch battery powered Vcc to USB powered when the cable is inserted? |
| 18:02.02 | davidc__ | _ABC: two schottky diodes? |
| 18:02.12 | prpplague | _ABC: tricky tricky item |
| 18:02.21 | _ABC | hm.. |
| 18:02.33 | prpplague | _ABC: most of the modern PM chipsets support clean switch over for those conditions |
| 18:02.34 | _ABC | i've never really used them before to be honest |
| 18:03.40 | prpplague | _ABC: the problem is the timming. you have to have enough power in the system that when someone unplugs the usb that it can switch over to the battery without loosing power |
| 18:04.18 | _ABC | prpplague: well loosing power for me is fine, i just can't figure out how to cut off the battery supply when there is 5V from USB |
| 18:05.11 | prpplague | _ABC: what kind of voltage range are you using on the battery? |
| 18:05.44 | _ABC | prpplague: 3V (two button cells) |
| 18:05.58 | prpplague | _ABC: ahh |
| 18:06.47 | prpplague | _ABC: a couple of mosfets with a couple large caps would probably be enough |
| 18:07.42 | _ABC | prpplague: i see. are there any premade schematics for this? |
| 18:08.00 | prpplague | _ABC: maxim has some IC's |
| 18:08.13 | _ABC | prpplague: ok i'll check them |
| 18:16.43 | prpplague | _ABC: http://www.maxim-ic.com/quick_view2.cfm/qv_pk/2375 |
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| 18:33.01 | Mirell | HoHum |
| 18:52.24 | _ABC | prpplague: thanks! |
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| 19:11.33 | prpplague | ok so time to go home, the roads are really bad |
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| 22:31.13 | Mirell | And once prpplague left, everyone shuts up |
| 22:32.06 | prpplague | indeed |
| 22:32.08 | prpplague | :) |
| 22:41.55 | prpplague | Mirell ho ho hum |
| 22:47.33 | Mirell | http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/02/11/2129212/European-Credit-and-Debit-Card-Security-Broken |
| 22:48.02 | SpeedEvil | http://news.zdnet.co.uk/security/0,1000000189,40022674,00.htm is interesting |
| 22:48.03 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 22:48.11 | SpeedEvil | beat me :) |
| 22:48.18 | Mirell | Hee |
| 22:50.23 | prpplague | dandy |
| 22:52.08 | SpeedEvil | And yes - this attack clearly isn't in the wild - yet |
| 22:52.13 | SpeedEvil | but... |
| 22:52.15 | prpplague | yet |
| 22:52.34 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 22:52.48 | SpeedEvil | And it's the nastiest sort - as if you can't prove you were not there - you will be liable |
| 22:53.28 | davidc__ | if its just suppression of a single response; it'd be trivial to fab a plastic card that does that |
| 22:53.54 | davidc__ | [embed original die in new card, add MITM die, chip+pin is dead in the water] |
| 22:55.21 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it - that's not quite it |
| 22:55.31 | SpeedEvil | it relies on the account having funding |
| 22:55.38 | SpeedEvil | the money actually does come out of the account |
| 22:55.44 | SpeedEvil | it's just that it doesn't require a pin |
| 22:56.12 | SpeedEvil | requires also the card isn't barred |
| 22:56.34 | prpplague | yea that is my understanding as well |
| 22:56.54 | SpeedEvil | So it's not _quite_ totally broken |
| 22:57.09 | prpplague | basically it is an advanced form card phising |
| 22:57.25 | SpeedEvil | Which would be forex you could with an account number and ... simply present a fraudulent card which is accepted |
| 22:57.34 | prpplague | i.e. you'd need to have access to the card at some point to duplicate some of the data |
| 22:57.45 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure it's 'at some point' |
| 22:57.57 | SpeedEvil | AIUI you need it at the time of the transaction. |
| 22:58.13 | SpeedEvil | So it's good for stolen cards |
| 22:58.39 | SpeedEvil | Or if you can fuck with the reader |
| 22:58.45 | prpplague | SpeedEvil hmm, if you are talking about the chip cards, you just need a reader that can sniff a standard transaction |
| 22:58.53 | CosmicPenguin | Can we all just agree its pretty damn bad? |
| 22:58.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin hehe |
| 22:58.59 | davidc__ | SpeedEvil: from what I read - yeah, you need a valid card, but you just need to MITM one of the responses to make it think "pin accepted" |
| 22:59.20 | SpeedEvil | (fake reader on countertop - user puts in card - real transaction goes through - you tehn put through a fake without needing the PIN |
| 22:59.32 | prpplague | right but duplicating a valid card is an already know hack |
| 22:59.35 | SpeedEvil | actually on reflection ion that scenario you'd have a pin |
| 22:59.41 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: only the magstrip |
| 22:59.46 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: not the chip bit |
| 22:59.48 | SpeedEvil | AIUI |
| 23:00.22 | SpeedEvil | In many cases chip+pin cards with the magstrip working but the chip nonfunctional will swipe as normal |
| 23:00.46 | prpplague | hmm, i make be mistaken, but could have sworn i read about method for duplicating the chip |
| 23:01.02 | roxfan | i thought stripes not supported in eu anymore? |
| 23:01.06 | roxfan | *are not |
| 23:01.31 | SpeedEvil | A 'chip and pin' card - from the UK - say - will often swipe in countries that do not support chip and pin |
| 23:01.49 | SpeedEvil | the alternative is to forbid withdrawals. Which I think some banks will let you do. |
| 23:03.53 | prpplague | well as long as there is tech, there will be people trying to find a way to steal |
| 23:08.04 | SpeedEvil | Sure. |
| 23:08.25 | SpeedEvil | And personally this sort worries me slightly less than the 'guy with knife' |
| 23:08.49 | prpplague | and as long as we have morally challenged greedy people we will have polititians |
| 23:08.58 | Mirell | You people have obviously never had to deal with Ukranian and Romanian criminal gangs |
| 23:09.18 | Mirell | They got around $200K at one place I worked before we just banned those countries |
| 23:09.46 | prpplague | are they politicians? |
| 23:15.39 | chouimat | grrr |
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