| 00:02.09 | prpplague | NullMoogleCable: i have a nand flash board, and a uart board |
| 00:03.27 | T0mW | prpplague: still stealing your son's toys? |
| 00:04.24 | NullMoogleCable | im trying to figure out the pin spaceing to make my own board |
| 00:09.35 | prpplague | NullMoogleCable: i used 0.05" spacing from center pin to center pin |
| 00:09.37 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 00:11.07 | NullMoogleCable | http://www.elinux.org/Didj |
| 00:11.13 | NullMoogleCable | someone has been workign on it lol |
| 00:12.48 | prpplague | T0mW: i(and some of the edev folks) did some hacking on it about a year ago. a few weeks ago they started selling them for $25 - http://hackaday.com/2010/02/01/leapfrog-didj-handheld-linux-on-the-cheap/ |
| 00:14.08 | T0mW | backlight? |
| 00:15.14 | prpplague | NullMoogleCable: yea someone has been busy |
| 00:15.17 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 00:15.21 | T0mW | oh |
| 00:15.23 | T0mW | ooo |
| 00:15.27 | prpplague | T0mW: excelent lcd |
| 00:15.57 | T0mW | think I might pick one up and look at it. I need a head-end for my radiant heat control. |
| 00:23.11 | T0mW | prpplague: this the same chip as was in the zipit1 where you grounded a pin and downloaded a 2k boot file? |
| 00:28.02 | T0mW | ahhhh, interesting, the paddle controls are separate boards |
| 00:28.22 | T0mW | more I/O, heh |
| 00:29.07 | T0mW | prpplague: I need something to play with, this looks like it. |
| 00:29.30 | T0mW | eyes his stack of Z2s |
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| 00:41.01 | prpplague | poof |
| 00:41.06 | prpplague | and the plague returns |
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| 00:42.01 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 00:42.07 | prpplague | merry freakin friday! |
| 00:43.01 | prpplague | i wish i could get peek's in qty, i'd love to make a replacement cpu board for those plstics |
| 00:44.55 | prpplague | chouimat|afk darn it, i forgot to send you the specs on the PICCture board |
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| 00:52.17 | NullMoogleCable | prpplague you use eagle? |
| 01:00.08 | prpplague | NullMoogleCable only when i have to, and only when i'm drinking |
| 01:01.20 | prpplague | NullMoogleCable T0mW uses it all the time, but he rides the short school bus |
| 01:01.35 | prpplague | jokes with T0mW |
| 01:03.16 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 01:04.10 | prpplague | wow a nigerian prince just died, looks like i can help get his heirs money out of the US |
| 01:04.36 | prpplague | imagins a statue of himself in nigeria |
| 01:04.40 | NullMoogleCable | im trying to make a cart edge lib for eagle but i cant get the dimmentions right for the pins :( |
| 01:04.52 | prpplague | NullMoogleCable got calipers? |
| 01:04.57 | NullMoogleCable | yeah |
| 01:05.04 | prpplague | digital? |
| 01:05.08 | NullMoogleCable | yup |
| 01:05.16 | prpplague | then whats the problem eh? |
| 01:05.45 | prpplague | thinks it is time to put on some soca |
| 01:05.47 | NullMoogleCable | my eagle lib is off by .001 or some stupid small number |
| 01:06.07 | T0mW | NullMoogleCable: create a footprint in eagle, then print the layout to paper, sit the part on top of the image to see if it looks good. |
| 01:06.49 | T0mW | smd pads have to be about 15% larger (wider at least) than the lead that sits on it. |
| 01:07.22 | T0mW | so, it is like horseshoes and hand grenades, you just have to be "close" |
| 01:07.28 | NullMoogleCable | its not a part but a edge connector for a game cart |
| 01:07.56 | T0mW | same deal, print it out and compare. |
| 01:08.37 | NullMoogleCable | http://www.elinux.org/images/0/05/ClaudesGerberFiles.zip |
| 01:08.43 | NullMoogleCable | gerber reference |
| 01:08.45 | T0mW | I just eyeball the parts with a vernier caliper, cheap plastic model from Sears. |
| 01:09.10 | T0mW | NullMoogleCable: you have GCPrevue? |
| 01:09.35 | NullMoogleCable | i have gerber viewer |
| 01:09.56 | T0mW | ok, then measure what you need in the viewer. |
| 01:10.22 | T0mW | GCPrevue allows me to right click on a pad and get X/Y info plus aperature size data |
| 01:11.36 | T0mW | NullMoogleCable: if you have the guys gerbers then you have all the smd pad data / placement of edge pins that you need. |
| 01:12.03 | T0mW | just whip up a library part in eagle |
| 01:17.44 | NullMoogleCable | what is .06 inches in mm? |
| 01:21.09 | NullMoogleCable | GRR What the heck! |
| 01:24.29 | NullMoogleCable | http://wtfmoogle.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/mooglelib.zip |
| 01:26.04 | NullMoogleCable | bangs head on desk repeatedly |
| 01:30.19 | NullMoogleCable | anyone care to help? |
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| 03:10.36 | figspaz | hi |
| 03:14.02 | figspaz | i'm trying to detirmine what options need to be enabled in the kernel to support using an initial ramdisk? |
| 03:16.22 | T0mW | figspaz: what is it you're trying to accomplish with an ramdisk? |
| 03:16.52 | figspaz | creating a boot disk. |
| 03:17.17 | T0mW | for like a PC computer? |
| 03:17.22 | figspaz | yeah |
| 03:17.26 | T0mW | but not for an embedded system? |
| 03:18.09 | figspaz | well, eventually it will be a boot disk. right now it's a small partition on my thumb drive and i'm booting it with qemu |
| 03:18.27 | figspaz | you could still call it embedded at this stage |
| 03:21.17 | T0mW | I'm not sure that I can be of any help. I've booted romfs and sdcard filesystem. I don't know when, or if, I've every used a ramdisk. |
| 03:21.26 | T0mW | s/ever/every |
| 03:22.03 | figspaz | did you use an initrd or initramfs? |
| 03:22.13 | T0mW | neither |
| 03:22.21 | figspaz | oh |
| 03:23.03 | T0mW | romfs is just a set of parameters that you pass into the kernel and it looks for the rom disk filesystem. |
| 03:23.16 | T0mW | the SD card is basically a pivot root. |
| 03:24.05 | T0mW | the kernel has an option for a romfs. |
| 03:24.29 | figspaz | yeah. i saw that somewhere |
| 03:25.29 | T0mW | basically, booting from an sd card (or other memory device) is done from the kernel command line. Your device drive for the device, in my case it is SD memory card support, has to be compiled into the kernel and not a module. |
| 03:26.14 | T0mW | CONFIG_CMDLINE="mem=64M root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 console=ttySAC0,115200n8 panic=30 rootdelay=5" |
| 03:26.45 | figspaz | yeah. what is /dev/mmcblk0p1? is that your memory card? |
| 03:27.15 | T0mW | something like that. once the kernel gets going and has detected the device, in my case an sd card block device, it will look to see if I specified a 'root' device to use for the initial filesystem mount. |
| 03:27.57 | figspaz | and what did you use for an init script? |
| 03:27.57 | T0mW | correct, that is how the device appears: /dev/mmcblk0p1 (MMC block device #0 partition #1) |
| 03:28.03 | T0mW | no |
| 03:28.30 | T0mW | you compile that into the kernel. Look at the kernel config file for CONFIG_CMDLINE |
| 03:29.23 | T0mW | console in my case is a serial port on an S3C2410 SOC processor, hence the name 'ttySAC0', that is what it gets detected as. |
| 03:30.12 | T0mW | rootdelay tells the kernel to keep trying the root device every 5 seconds, then panic (die) if you cannot get the sdcard working after 30 seconds. |
| 03:30.57 | figspaz | just wondering what are you using this for? |
| 03:31.25 | T0mW | figspaz: I suspect that you will be doing something similar only using the name of the USB storage device instead of mmcblk0p1, you will probably see the USB thumb drive as a scsi device (e.g. SDA, SDB,...) |
| 03:32.23 | figspaz | no. root for me will be /dev/ram0 |
| 03:33.02 | T0mW | something like this would need what I just showed you: http://elinux.org/File:Didj_Mainboard_Back.jpg |
| 03:33.32 | T0mW | the main page is here http://elinux.org/Didj |
| 03:33.40 | Mirell | landley: You actually here? |
| 03:34.47 | T0mW | figspaz: AFAIK, qemu is used to emulate a processor + hardware and is used to do embedded work where you need to prove code out before tackling the real target. |
| 03:35.26 | T0mW | not sure how the hardware emulation would work for an SOC though |
| 03:36.07 | T0mW | unless, the kernel itself is not emulated but qemu uses the host hardware for device i/o? |
| 03:36.17 | figspaz | yes |
| 03:36.26 | T0mW | figured that. |
| 03:37.05 | T0mW | if you can give qemu a command line for the kernel, then you should be set. |
| 03:37.24 | T0mW | figspaz: see, the problem with a ram disk is that you need to populate it with files. |
| 03:37.39 | figspaz | i can pass options to the kernel at the 'boot:' prompt |
| 03:37.59 | T0mW | figspaz: how would you get the data into the ramdisk without having it stored on a block device somewhere, or an image stored in Flash. |
| 03:38.04 | figspaz | yes. i have created the ramdisk and the FSH |
| 03:38.06 | T0mW | correct |
| 03:38.26 | figspaz | TomW: why would i need to? |
| 03:38.34 | T0mW | the boot prompt of a boot loader, generally, will allow you to give arguments to pass to the kernel. |
| 03:38.51 | T0mW | FSH? |
| 03:39.02 | figspaz | yes. however i just use the syslinux.cfg file |
| 03:39.48 | figspaz | the files... |
| 03:40.06 | figspaz | syslinux allows me pass whatever options to the kernel i like |
| 03:40.28 | figspaz | yeah. you just said that. sry |
| 03:40.33 | T0mW | again, I'm not familiar with qemu. I generally get my hardware booting off some device with a file system on it that I created. Then I'll do an nfs mount to a directory on my dev box and have the testing code (app) in that dir. |
| 03:42.27 | T0mW | I figure that eventually I will have to wrestle with the real target hardware and get my kernel + filesystem booting on it anyway. The least of my problems is building out the filesystem or app. They are relatively easy to do once you get the target booting, a crossdev setup, and some type of nfs / ftp working. |
| 03:42.50 | T0mW | so, for me, I've never seen any value in qemu. |
| 03:43.33 | T0mW | figspaz: however, I may be wrong about the value. Don't let me dissuade you, just MHO. |
| 03:44.43 | T0mW | figspaz: what is your eventual goal beyond this boot image question? Do you have a device you're going to be eventually using it on? |
| 03:45.55 | T0mW | like a chumbly, WizPro, Didj, Hammer, Zipit or something like that? |
| 03:46.15 | figspaz | well this is my first attempt at rolling my own "system". right now i'm just trying to create something that boots and will give me a prompt. there is no target hardware |
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| 03:47.31 | T0mW | I've used both Buildroot and OpenEmbedded for building the filesystem. Each have their pluses and minuses. I haven't used OE in a year, but I suspect they may have some issues worked out by now. |
| 03:47.51 | Mirell | What's this about QEMU> |
| 03:47.54 | Mirell | Er, QEMU? |
| 03:48.10 | T0mW | Mirell: got tired of ding, ding? |
| 03:48.15 | T0mW | heh |
| 03:48.30 | Mirell | Sorry, just something I'm vaguely familiar with. |
| 03:48.38 | Mirell | I think it was about appending a command line to the kernel? |
| 03:48.45 | T0mW | Mirell: maybe you can help him, I've not used it. |
| 03:48.46 | Mirell | -append is your friend. |
| 03:49.00 | Mirell | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:49.01 | Mirell | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:49.25 | T0mW | goes back to perl |
| 03:49.31 | Mirell | You sick man. |
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| 03:49.40 | T0mW | love regex |
| 03:49.44 | Mirell | So do I! |
| 03:49.48 | Mirell | Hence why I went to Ruby. |
| 03:49.51 | SpeedEvil | is writing a path-loss estimator in awk. |
| 03:50.06 | T0mW | got a buddy that raves about ruby + rails |
| 03:50.07 | SpeedEvil | That deals with 6000*6000 height-map files in ascii. |
| 03:50.13 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 03:50.16 | T0mW | whoohoo! |
| 03:50.29 | SpeedEvil | awk is great for quick hacks. |
| 03:50.40 | T0mW | awk always confused me |
| 03:50.42 | Mirell | T0mW: http://mirell.org/2009/10/17/ruby-and-regexes/ |
| 03:50.58 | Mirell | T0mW: I've never messed with Rails, but I <3 Ruby. |
| 03:51.46 | T0mW | <shudder> |
| 03:52.15 | Mirell | Shudder? |
| 03:52.18 | T0mW | I'll stick to embedded stuff and stay away from the web stuff |
| 03:52.32 | T0mW | I'm not ready to learn another language, heh |
| 03:52.42 | Mirell | I don't do web stuff. |
| 03:52.47 | T0mW | no? |
| 03:52.49 | Mirell | Nope. |
| 03:52.53 | Mirell | Metasploit uses Ruby. |
| 03:53.00 | T0mW | I thought that was the whole idea of ruby |
| 03:53.04 | Mirell | <-- Works at a security company |
| 03:53.05 | Mirell | Negative. |
| 03:53.21 | T0mW | Mirell: AES? |
| 03:53.26 | Mirell | Rails is web stuff, Ruby is a full-featured language just like Python/Perl/et cetera |
| 03:53.43 | Mirell | T0mW: BreakingPoint. |
| 03:53.57 | ohsix | just the noisiest proponents are on the web side |
| 03:54.10 | T0mW | Mirell: I've been working / consulting for a burg security outfit for years. |
| 03:54.38 | Mirell | T0mW: Ahhh |
| 03:54.49 | Mirell | T0mW: Yah, Ruby is a perfectly fine interpreted language in its own right |
| 03:55.08 | Mirell | T0mW: Just people went nutso on the Rails so people think Ruby is the new PHP |
| 03:55.18 | T0mW | yeah |
| 03:55.24 | T0mW | that is what I thought too |
| 03:55.37 | Mirell | 'swhat I thought as well until I started messing with it |
| 03:55.55 | T0mW | is it compiled or bytecode/ |
| 03:55.58 | T0mW | is it compiled or bytecode? |
| 03:56.19 | Mirell | Yes? |
| 03:56.32 | Mirell | I mean, it's interpreted. |
| 03:56.36 | T0mW | ok |
| 03:56.42 | Mirell | So like Python/Perl. |
| 03:57.00 | T0mW | nothing wrong with that, it just means you have to be sure that you get enough MIPS behind it. |
| 03:57.13 | Mirell | Yah. |
| 03:57.20 | Mirell | I keep meaning to try to do something cool in Lua. |
| 03:57.29 | Mirell | But in order to make it awesome, |
| 03:57.29 | T0mW | Mirell: mostly, I've been doing my stuff in C as the power requirements are so tight. |
| 03:57.42 | Mirell | I'd basically have to create a Perl CPAN/Ruby Gems/Whatever Python Has for it |
| 03:58.19 | Mirell | T0mW: Of course. I tried to get a team at a previous contract to switch from C++ to Lua |
| 03:58.24 | T0mW | heh |
| 03:58.35 | T0mW | has no use for C++ |
| 03:58.36 | Mirell | T0mW: Because they already decided C++ was okay, but they were experiencing standard C++ hell |
| 03:58.44 | Mirell | T0mW: With memory leaks, et cetera |
| 03:58.47 | T0mW | I do like object pascal though |
| 03:59.00 | Mirell | T0mW: So, use freakin' Lua, handles that for you, and the libraries are all 250K |
| 03:59.15 | Mirell | And the application wasn't really that complex. |
| 03:59.22 | T0mW | something else for me to look at, Lua |
| 03:59.35 | Mirell | Yah. |
| 03:59.48 | Mirell | But it lacks a good library packager thingie. |
| 03:59.59 | T0mW | right now, I've got a contract to run 187K lines of assembly code on another arch. |
| 04:00.03 | Mirell | Oh god. |
| 04:00.12 | figspaz | lost my pda but that would have been a target |
| 04:00.19 | SpeedEvil | wonders what would have happened if the i432 had worked. |
| 04:00.28 | SpeedEvil | 187k... |
| 04:00.32 | SpeedEvil | qemu! |
| 04:00.36 | T0mW | fortunately, I've done this job 15 years ago for them when I moved them from one processor to another. |
| 04:00.49 | Mirell | SpeedEvil: Hah. TCC. |
| 04:01.04 | T0mW | the original processor was basically a risc type, 129 permutations of the opcodes. |
| 04:01.04 | Mirell | SpeedEvil: Or whatever QEMU calls their thingie. |
| 04:01.34 | SpeedEvil | ponders 15 years ago. |
| 04:01.39 | T0mW | SpeedEvil: naw, I'm going to run this on the PC first and control the hardware via the IDE port. |
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| 04:02.06 | T0mW | eventual target system will be either ARM or ATOM |
| 04:02.41 | Mirell | Lordie. |
| 04:02.42 | figspaz | sorry. MIrrel: yes i am using this as my syslinux.cfg file. http://pastebin.com/m8bf96ea |
| 04:02.44 | SpeedEvil | Insane. |
| 04:02.51 | figspaz | *Mirell |
| 04:03.00 | T0mW | SpeedEvil: pays the mortgage, heh |
| 04:03.05 | Mirell | T0mW: I'm sure. |
| 04:03.13 | Mirell | T0mW: That sort of expertise costs a bit |
| 04:03.16 | SpeedEvil | My 'old' SD that's got relegated to backup inside my phone has more storage than my PC then. |
| 04:03.42 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 04:04.06 | SpeedEvil | needs to find the debug ports on it though. I want I2C. |
| 04:04.09 | Mirell | figspaz: So you can boot qemu with -initrd yourinitrd -append kerneloptionshere -kernel yourkernel |
| 04:08.24 | T0mW | Mirell: http://pastebin.com/d6b587cf4 |
| 04:08.39 | T0mW | Mirell: generated from perl scripts |
| 04:11.27 | T0mW | that processor has been obsolete for about 25+ years now |
| 04:17.48 | figspaz | Mirell: yes thx |
| 04:18.14 | figspaz | but i dont think qemu is recognizing my initrd. i get the same console output with initrd specified as without |
| 04:18.21 | Mirell | T0mW: Lord |
| 04:19.27 | T0mW | Mirell: each "opcode" is a C macro servicing a data struct which represents a virtual CPU. |
| 04:19.46 | T0mW | a "JMP" is a goto |
| 04:20.15 | T0mW | "JSR" a function call |
| 04:21.10 | T0mW | Mirell: the resulting code will run in an embedded target under Linux |
| 04:21.24 | T0mW | Mirell: my goal is to get them into using Linux |
| 04:22.41 | T0mW | the current code runs on an 80c188 at 14MHz |
| 04:28.26 | SpeedEvil | what does this code do? |
| 04:28.34 | SpeedEvil | I can't imagine it's very maintainable. |
| 04:34.14 | T0mW | SpeedEvil: runs a head end security panel |
| 04:35.29 | T0mW | SpeedEvil: same guy working this code for 30 years. |
| 04:36.53 | SpeedEvil | That's a sustainable maintainance plan :) |
| 04:37.12 | T0mW | heh |
| 04:37.38 | T0mW | SpeedEvil: inertia, blame it all on inertia |
| 04:39.08 | T0mW | Mirell: ah, ok, you do network security. I keep the bad guys from breaking down doors and smashing windows |
| 04:40.54 | T0mW | probably you would more accurately call that "property and life safety" rather than "security" |
| 04:43.29 | Mirell | T0mW: Heh, yah. |
| 04:44.05 | T0mW | yeah, not that new-age security thing |
| 04:44.34 | T0mW | battery, bells and wire (and a guy with a club hiding inside the doorway) |
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| 04:47.20 | Mirell | But that won't stop someone hacking past your front door! OH NOS. |
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