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| 13:28.11 | grummund | hi, anyone here played with the STM3210C-EVAL board (Cortex-M3), or even just the STM32 ? |
| 13:29.29 | SpeedEvil | I've got the stm32, and done a lot of reading - but not started yet |
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| 13:31.09 | grummund | may i ask do you have an idea about the tool chain you will use? |
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| 14:27.15 | sjhill | hey kergoth_ |
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| 14:43.43 | sjhill | hey prpplague |
| 14:59.24 | SpeedEvil | grummund: gcc |
| 15:02.08 | grummund | SpeedEvil: how about C library, target programming, and in-circuit debug? |
| 15:02.53 | SpeedEvil | I hadn't paid mich attention to that. |
| 15:02.53 | grummund | afaict this is all available open-source but there's no single definitive reference tool-chain |
| 15:03.19 | SpeedEvil | I spent most of the time I've been looking at it on doing assembler timings |
| 15:11.26 | kergoth | this Go programming language is growing on me.. very cute |
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| 15:50.45 | mnemoc | kergoth: golang will be part of gcc 4.5 |
| 15:52.40 | kergoth_ | is it? nice |
| 15:52.51 | mnemoc | i wonder if they will multiplex goroutines in a dynamic number of threads as they did with the "hand-made" compiler or 1:1 as with the normal gcc frontend for it |
| 15:52.54 | dfarnsworth | cool! |
| 15:54.21 | mnemoc | http://lwn.net/Articles/371466/ |
| 15:54.49 | kergoth_ | hasn't played with it that much yet, but started going through some exercises / kata he found online to get a feel for it |
| 15:57.25 | mnemoc | some details feel strange to C monkeys initially |
| 15:57.34 | mnemoc | but it's not hard to get used to i |
| 15:57.54 | kergoth_ | parts of it remind me of lua, actually |
| 15:58.04 | kergoth_ | coroutines, multi-value return |
| 15:58.56 | kergoth_ | thinks the prime number sieve in the tutorial is elegant, firing off a goroutine for each prime filter |
| 15:58.56 | mnemoc | yeah |
| 15:58.57 | mnemoc | and the damn thing is _cheap_ |
| 15:59.39 | kergoth_ | I had looked at D as a possible c-like system language, but this looks like it could be a better bet, seems like D never got sufficient momentum |
| 16:00.34 | mnemoc | the main advantage is that golang was designed for modern hardware, not pdp8 :p |
| 16:00.50 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 16:02.27 | mnemoc | looking at it again, you are right about the similarities with Lua |
| 16:02.42 | mnemoc | without the excess of "sugar" |
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| 16:49.39 | prpplague | methril_work: greetings |
| 16:49.49 | methril_work | prpplague: greetings |
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| 17:44.03 | chouimat | hi |
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| 18:23.48 | sjhill | prpplague: howdy |
| 18:24.42 | prpplague | sjhill: hey bud, been totally swamped, haven't had time to look for that card edge stuff |
| 18:24.48 | sjhill | prpplague: np |
| 18:24.50 | prpplague | sjhill: i though i had found something for you before |
| 18:25.02 | sjhill | hmm |
| 18:25.18 | sjhill | i remember some breadboard type stuff you gave me, but not the edge connector stuff |
| 18:25.26 | sjhill | i'll look in my links tonight though |
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| 18:29.37 | sunrunner20 | so |
| 18:29.48 | sunrunner20 | anybody seen a hack for the kodak HD player? |
| 18:30.03 | dfarnsworth | been wooting, eh? |
| 18:30.09 | sunrunner20 | yea |
| 18:30.10 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 18:30.11 | dfarnsworth | was looking for the same this morning |
| 18:30.22 | dfarnsworth | didn't find anything though |
| 18:31.06 | sunrunner20 | Id guess that its a relativly high powered ARM SOC or with hardware decode support |
| 18:31.38 | sunrunner20 | and |
| 18:31.41 | sunrunner20 | thats a guess |
| 18:31.55 | sunrunner20 | could be an atom board but thats highly unlikely |
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| 18:34.10 | sunrunner20 | if i had more $$ avail i'd buy it for the hell of it |
| 18:35.03 | dfarnsworth | I'm sure it's not an atom. It could be fun, but I can't devote the time to it |
| 18:35.37 | sunrunner20 | i've learned never to make absolute statments :) |
| 18:35.41 | sunrunner20 | well |
| 18:35.44 | sunrunner20 | almost never :P |
| 18:36.19 | sunrunner20 | yea, nobody's gutted the thing so can't really tell |
| 18:37.39 | AlTheKiller | Probably one of those sigma design SoCs at that prices. |
| 18:37.48 | AlTheKiller | MIPS + HW decode. |
| 18:38.48 | dfarnsworth | yes, that's what I found via google, signam design MIPS SoC |
| 18:38.59 | dfarnsworth | sigma |
| 18:39.16 | dfarnsworth | SMP8635 |
| 18:41.11 | sunrunner20 | hrm |
| 18:41.24 | sunrunner20 | looks like the hardest part would be finding a way to slap in the new firmware |
| 18:41.43 | sunrunner20 | sigma has a patched linux kernel |
| 18:42.59 | chouimat | prpplague: sjhill hi guys |
| 18:43.02 | dfarnsworth | right, 2.6.15 based. there is a "check for new firmware" button, but I don't know that they have released new firmware so we could figure out the protocal. Also, it could be tivoized |
| 18:43.32 | sunrunner20 | tivoized? |
| 18:44.08 | dfarnsworth | will only run digitally signed firmware |
| 18:44.43 | chouimat | hates motorola kreatv platform |
| 18:44.43 | sunrunner20 | ah |
| 18:44.51 | prpplague | chouimat: hey bud |
| 18:44.55 | dfarnsworth | for current tivos, the only generally known way to put your own software on is by replacing the roms |
| 18:45.23 | sunrunner20 | i'm sure the signing info could be found with enough PS3's lol |
| 18:45.24 | chouimat | prpplague: not allow to irc or ssh from their office ... |
| 18:46.00 | prpplague | doh |
| 18:46.07 | dfarnsworth | sunrunner20: yes, or find the right person to bribe. |
| 18:46.28 | sunrunner20 | bribing would have legal issues, if you outright cracked it theres not much they can do |
| 18:46.55 | chouimat | prpplague: and it's application development, not system development so I hate it |
| 18:47.02 | sunrunner20 | execpt make a new rev |
| 18:47.52 | AlTheKiller | Those SoCs tend to not be too interesting CPU wise |
| 18:48.08 | AlTheKiller | can't seem to load their product guide ATM. |
| 18:48.25 | AlTheKiller | We always get people wanting to run XBMC on one. |
| 18:48.40 | sunrunner20 | though |
| 18:48.46 | sunrunner20 | its pretty pointless for me |
| 18:49.04 | sunrunner20 | my dad has wavers of some sort for two Atom dev boards |
| 18:50.03 | AlTheKiller | I've got a d510mo + crystalHD. |
| 18:50.03 | sunrunner20 | prpplague: you deal with Xilinx much? |
| 18:50.12 | AlTheKiller | Does 1080p just fine. |
| 18:50.17 | prpplague | sunrunner20: not much but davidc__ does |
| 18:50.36 | sunrunner20 | talked to the texas area FAE? |
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| 19:24.33 | sjhill | prpplague: do you think you could spare just a minute to measure the pin centers? |
| 19:24.41 | sjhill | prpplague: .100 or .156 ? |
| 19:29.41 | prpplague | sjhill: i don;t have one with me |
| 19:29.51 | prpplague | sjhill: iirc we decided it was 0.1" |
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| 19:31.49 | prpplague | sjhill: yea they appear to be 0.1" pitch |
| 19:33.08 | sjhill | ok |
| 19:33.19 | sjhill | i may have found some surplus ones |
| 19:33.52 | prpplague | sjhill: digikey part number S3302-ND |
| 19:33.58 | prpplague | sjhill: that should do the trick |
| 19:35.21 | sjhill | prpplague: that's it |
| 19:35.26 | sjhill | prpplague: thx bunch |
| 19:35.45 | sjhill | now i need to find the card edge to plug in |
| 19:35.47 | prpplague | sjhill: np, is digikey ok? or do you need to find something at mouser? |
| 19:35.55 | sjhill | digikey is great |
| 19:36.01 | prpplague | sjhill: dandy |
| 19:36.08 | sjhill | they're 5 hours north and anything order arrives the next day |
| 19:36.21 | prpplague | ahh see that's mouser for me |
| 19:38.24 | prpplague | sjhill: the cardedge pcb is going to be harder to find |
| 19:38.32 | prpplague | sjhill: you may need to do your own for that |
| 19:43.11 | prpplague | sjhill: jameco, part number 22-500 |
| 19:43.24 | prpplague | sjhill: you can use a dremel to remove the extra 2 pads |
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| 21:26.56 | grummund | hi, any views on which of the Olimex ARM-JTAG programmers to go for? |
| 21:26.59 | grummund | http://www.olimex.com/dev/pricelist.html |
| 21:31.28 | prpplague | grummund: bad bad bad person |
| 21:31.42 | prpplague | grummund: i'm biased, purchase a flyswatter instead :) |
| 21:31.57 | chouimat | hehe |
| 21:32.05 | grummund | well i'm open to suggestions |
| 21:32.12 | prpplague | http://www.tincantools.com/ |
| 21:32.15 | pytey | grummund: I like the http://www.amontec.com/jtagkey-tiny.shtml or the flyswatter, I have both |
| 21:32.16 | prpplague | grummund: flyswatter |
| 21:32.30 | prpplague | grummund: again, i'm biased |
| 21:32.59 | chouimat | prpplague: yup ;) |
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| 21:39.11 | mnemoc | it would be nice if the flyswatter would come with a cable with free wires like the jtagkey |
| 21:43.54 | prpplague | mnemoc: i'll make a note of that |
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| 21:44.26 | mnemoc | prpplague: :D |
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