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| 13:17.07 | bjx | anyone here worked with MOXA embedded linux network computers? |
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| 15:04.05 | prpplague | kergoth_: ping |
| 15:04.22 | kergoth_ | prpplague: pong |
| 15:04.36 | prpplague | kergoth_: have pitty on an OE idiot....... |
| 15:05.14 | prpplague | kergoth_: i've pulled a copy of OE-dev tree via git and every day when i do a bitbake console-image , it seems to rebuild everything |
| 15:05.15 | kergoth_ | heh |
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| 15:05.43 | kergoth_ | it only rebuilds things if stamps don't exist, and that's only the case when recipe name, version, or revision change |
| 15:05.44 | prpplague | kergoth_: is there a default item for the dev branch to rebuild based on the date/time stamp? |
| 15:05.48 | kergoth_ | nope |
| 15:05.51 | prpplague | hmm |
| 15:05.55 | kergoth_ | it doesn't go by date/time stamps at all |
| 15:06.10 | prpplague | kergoth_: i wonder why it does it then |
| 15:06.14 | kergoth_ | what you could be doing is.. if you aren't forcing TOPDIR to a specific path in your local.conf, it builds relative to the current directory |
| 15:06.26 | kergoth_ | so dependign on where you run it from, it'd build it there, resulting in a differen tmp/ dir each time |
| 15:06.27 | prpplague | ahh |
| 15:06.34 | kergoth_ | either run from the build dir, or force TOPDIR to that path |
| 15:06.42 | prpplague | that makes sense, i'll double check that |
| 15:07.01 | kergoth_ | i suspect that's it. things will rebuild after pulling, but only the things that changed :) |
| 15:07.22 | prpplague | kergoth_: one other item, i have an recipe that i am working on and i keep getting a QA error for the GNU_HASH on a lib |
| 15:07.33 | kergoth_ | it's a common source of confusion, and is why many of us believe bitbake/oe needs to be more "project" oriented, rather than BBPATH/BBFILES crap |
| 15:07.44 | kergoth_ | that means your build isn't obeying the bitbake/oe LDFLAGS |
| 15:07.45 | prpplague | kergoth_: i know it is related to the LDFLAGS, but i can't seem to find a good way to debug that |
| 15:07.50 | kergoth_ | how you pass that in depends on the buildsystem in question |
| 15:08.30 | prpplague | kergoth_: so if the makefile for the build is broken/buggy, it is ignoring or not accepting the correct ldflags |
| 15:08.32 | kergoth_ | if it's autoconf, you rarely n eed to do anything, the configure picks it up from the environemnt, but simple make-based buildsystems, whether or not they obey a var from the environment is up to them |
| 15:08.47 | prpplague | kergoth_: TI bastardization code |
| 15:09.07 | kergoth_ | might just need to make it do a += for ldflags that are local to the build tree (i.e. -Llib/) or ?= for those which aren't, so it only sets them if they aren't already set |
| 15:09.33 | kergoth_ | (in the makefiel) |
| 15:09.58 | prpplague | kergoth_: alrighty i'll have a look |
| 15:10.09 | prpplague | kergoth_: thanks for the info |
| 15:10.22 | prpplague | owes kergoth_ many cheese burgers and beers |
| 15:10.34 | kergoth_ | its something every distro / packaging person generally has to deal with - how to make it obey your optimization flags, etc.. |
| 15:11.01 | prpplague | kergoth_: yea the problem is that this package is poorly organized |
| 15:11.19 | prpplague | kergoth_: the main makefile actually is calling make on other makefiles |
| 15:11.35 | kergoth_ | the default EXTRA_OEMAKE tries to make this easier, it runs make with the '-e' argument, and resetting MAKEFLAGS, to try to get env vars to be obeyed (-e makes it obey env vars over locally defined), but its a hack, and can result in problems, (overwriting things that probably should've been kept, for example) |
| 15:11.45 | prpplague | kergoth_: ps -ef shows about 6 makefiles running during the build |
| 15:11.54 | kergoth_ | yeah, that's pretty common. recursive make sucks, but 90% of all buildsystems do it |
| 15:12.01 | kergoth_ | you can read more if you google for recursive make considered harmful |
| 15:12.22 | prpplague | kergoth_: oh dandy, thanks i'll have a look |
| 15:12.33 | prpplague | kergoth_: i was wondering about the extra_oemake flags |
| 15:12.58 | kergoth_ | EXTRA_OEMAKE is just a declarative way to pass args on the make commandline, without having to override do_compile and crap |
| 15:13.04 | kergoth_ | same as EXTRA_OECONF is for ./configure |
| 15:13.10 | prpplague | ahh |
| 15:13.31 | prpplague | kergoth_: i think the best bet on this is to fix the build issue with the package |
| 15:13.34 | kergoth_ | vars passed on the commandline are given more weight than those from the environment, you can override the var in the makefiles by passing it with that |
| 15:13.52 | kergoth_ | i.e. EXTRA_OEMAKE = "'LDFLAGS=${LDFLAGS}'" - assuming it actually uses a variable of that name, of course |
| 15:14.39 | kergoth_ | you should be able to find a number of examples of people working around these issues in the OE repository, or even git log --grep="GNU_HASH" |
| 15:14.39 | prpplague | kergoth_: i'm working through the build now, something just doesn't seem right with the included makefiles |
| 15:14.59 | prpplague | kergoth_: yea, i tried a number of the posted solutions |
| 15:15.14 | prpplague | kergoth_: i suspect that it is a problem in the makefiles |
| 15:15.29 | kergoth_ | technically, a binary built without the gnu hash bits will still function, but I think we left the check fatal to catch cases where builds aren't obeying our variables |
| 15:16.12 | prpplague | kergoth_: yea, thats what i figured, but they are going to want to push these upstream, so i want to make sure they are compliant |
| 15:16.33 | kergoth_ | nods |
| 15:18.32 | prpplague | kergoth_: thanks for the help |
| 15:20.13 | kergoth_ | np |
| 15:20.36 | kergoth_ | many folks in #oe could have answered this for you, btw, didn't have to wait on me :) |
| 15:20.48 | kergoth_ | doesn't mind answering questions, but isn't always around |
| 15:23.12 | prpplague | kergoth_: i fear the #oe channel, hehe |
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| 15:24.38 | kergoth_ | hah, 1 minute ago someone asked about GNU_HASH on #oe |
| 15:25.06 | prpplague | hehe, gt3 ? |
| 15:25.54 | prpplague | kergoth_: gt3 is working on the same issue |
| 15:27.33 | sjhill | Grand Theft Auto 3 is build using OE? way cool |
| 15:27.50 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe |
| 15:34.44 | sjhill | prpplague: you got my email? |
| 15:35.33 | prpplague | sjhill: uh, hmm |
| 15:35.38 | prpplague | sjhill: let me check |
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| 16:44.42 | prpplague | sjhill: thanks |
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| 17:01.22 | sjhill | prpplague: yep |
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| 20:31.46 | Socrates | ah, found |
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| 23:13.22 | r3ply` | Hi all, anyone want to try and help me get my usb-serial adapter working in centos?? |
| 23:13.55 | prpplague | r3ply` not really an embedded linux question |
| 23:14.21 | prpplague | r3ply` generally speaking just aboutt any usb->rs232 adapter works under most distros |
| 23:15.46 | r3ply` | its in the hardware list, i run dmesg -a | grep tty, it comes back as /dev/ttyUSB0, i use that string to initiate a session to my embedded appliance but there is no console activity, no errors are given |
| 23:16.15 | prpplague | sounds like your embedded appliance |
| 23:16.19 | r3ply` | when i plug the device into my windows PC it works fine, |
| 23:17.09 | r3ply` | thanks for the chat.. i'll keep digging!! |
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