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| 05:57.50 | rektide | god damn it freescale |
| 05:57.54 | rektide | release |
| 05:58.36 | rektide | stop fucking building alliances and shit with crappy software vendors ( i dont know or care about the actual quality of your software vendor partners ) and release hardware. and then mainline linux support for it. |
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| 14:43.34 | NullMooglCable | YES it works!! |
| 14:51.17 | florian | NullMooglCable: Sure? ;) |
| 14:51.29 | NullMooglCable | http://wtfmoogle.com/?p=991 |
| 14:54.38 | NullMooglCable | http://wtfmoogle.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/DSCN5359.jpg |
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| 15:00.00 | florian | looks nice... what's the purpose of this? |
| 15:01.20 | florian | NullMooglCable: Your camera is a good example for a lens that does not have a lens matching the resolution ;-) |
| 15:06.35 | prpplague | chouimat|away: ping |
| 15:19.52 | SpeedEvil | sighs at that. |
| 15:20.18 | SpeedEvil | The slightly less crap end of the market has gone from overstating the picture resultion, and applying software scaling. |
| 15:20.38 | SpeedEvil | Straight to lenses that are diffraction limited at well under the sensor resolution. |
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| 16:31.33 | alex4nder | hey |
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| 17:01.37 | T0mW | There is one thing in my computer room that is made by Microsoft and I love it. |
| 17:02.48 | T0mW | An old model E03786 ergonometric keyboard, I've had this thing for 10+ years now and have worn the legends off the home keys. |
| 17:03.40 | T0mW | I just cannot find another keyboard like this to replace it with! Literally, they don't make them like this anymore. |
| 17:09.29 | davidc__ | prpplague: pong |
| 17:10.22 | prpplague | davidc__: nm, i think i finally got someone at SFE |
| 17:10.32 | prpplague | davidc__: thought you might know of a good contact at SFE |
| 17:11.06 | davidc__ | ah, k |
| 17:15.11 | T0mW | found a used one on ebay |
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| 17:34.20 | SpeedEvil | T0mW: I'm also looking for an old keyboard. |
| 17:35.23 | SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/IBM-ENHANCED-KEYBOARD-TRACKPOINT-II-92G7461-/290292972127?cmd=ViewItem&pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item4396cf3a5f |
| 17:35.57 | T0mW | SpeedEvil: it is not the only keyboard that slopes back, but it is the only one that doesn't use some chintzy peice of plastic to do so. |
| 17:35.59 | SpeedEvil | Apparantly, they are only available being newly manufactured by naked virgins. |
| 17:36.14 | T0mW | SpeedEvil: this sucker is built really well with a hinged flap. |
| 17:36.42 | SpeedEvil | I have an old clone of the above - though apricot |
| 17:36.45 | SpeedEvil | not IBM |
| 17:36.49 | T0mW | heh, I've used this thing so much for so many years, the plungers are worn. |
| 17:36.50 | SpeedEvil | really nice |
| 17:37.00 | SpeedEvil | well - without the trackpoint |
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| 17:37.45 | T0mW | SpeedEvil: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350346127223&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT |
| 17:38.11 | SpeedEvil | I _Hate_ the natural keyboard. |
| 17:38.22 | SpeedEvil | Simply can't get on with it at all. |
| 17:38.48 | T0mW | SpeedEvil: I did too when I first encountered one, but, after learning to touch-type, it is the best keyboard I've ever used. |
| 17:39.01 | T0mW | I do a lot of editing with vi |
| 17:39.03 | SpeedEvil | Maybe it works for people that type properly. |
| 17:39.22 | T0mW | yeah, two fingers on this keyboard *will* slow you down. |
| 17:39.50 | SpeedEvil | I don't use two fingers, somewhere between 4-6 |
| 17:40.03 | SpeedEvil | but I don' use them properly. |
| 17:40.34 | T0mW | SpeedEvil: I learned to touch type by sitting in a dark room, staring at the video, and tried to type sentences. It took me a year to transition from two fingers to all of them (8, heh). |
| 17:41.31 | T0mW | Well, I have that one I got from ebay coming. I'll retire this on to the shelf, just in case, you know? |
| 17:42.38 | T0mW | SpeedEvil: you're one of these people that hover the hands over the keyboard and strike down on the keys as you see them? |
| 17:42.45 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 17:42.55 | SpeedEvil | I often use the keyboard under the blankets. |
| 17:43.13 | SpeedEvil | As recently I haven't had th eheating on. |
| 17:43.27 | SpeedEvil | I haven't looked at a keyboard recently - well - apart from the n900 keyboard. |
| 17:43.28 | T0mW | Oh, my friend John cannot touch type, two fingers of one hand are nerve damaged... |
| 17:43.41 | SpeedEvil | I'm just at the transitioning from looking at the keys to not stage |
| 17:43.52 | SpeedEvil | ~30wpm - which surprised me |
| 17:44.10 | T0mW | yeah, that takes some training, BUT, it comes in handy when you are coping data from paper into the comptuer. |
| 17:45.01 | T0mW | LOL, plus, it reduced neck strain from bobbing your head up and down (look at keys, look at screen, look at keys...) |
| 17:45.53 | T0mW | I need a better chair though, I've been sitting at the computer steadily for the past 2 months and it is killing my legs. |
| 17:46.03 | SpeedEvil | I need to use a chair. |
| 17:46.07 | SpeedEvil | I suppose. |
| 17:46.21 | SpeedEvil | I've tended towards using it lying down recently. |
| 17:46.32 | T0mW | heh |
| 17:46.43 | T0mW | that might be tough to keep awake |
| 17:47.29 | T0mW | SpeedEvil: where do you live? |
| 17:48.10 | T0mW | I'm in Pennsylvania and haven't really turned the heat off yet. |
| 17:48.19 | SpeedEvil | Scotland. |
| 17:48.28 | T0mW | well, I'm at 1500ft elevation too. |
| 17:48.39 | SpeedEvil | It's been averaging 5C inside over ~dec-feb |
| 17:48.50 | SpeedEvil | electric blanket ++ |
| 17:48.54 | T0mW | reaches for calculator |
| 17:49.10 | T0mW | that is warm |
| 17:49.30 | T0mW | been closer to 0C nights here. |
| 17:49.42 | SpeedEvil | inside? |
| 17:49.47 | T0mW | NO! |
| 17:49.49 | T0mW | heh |
| 17:50.05 | SpeedEvil | averaging -6 on nights during Jan IIRC |
| 17:50.14 | T0mW | SpeedEvil: I ripped the electric heat out last summer and installed oil-fired radiant floor heating system. |
| 17:50.25 | T0mW | is warm |
| 17:50.47 | SpeedEvil | I need to finish off the insulation - whih is a fucking huge job. |
| 17:50.59 | SpeedEvil | When done - it reduced heating by ~10* |
| 17:51.09 | SpeedEvil | reduces |
| 17:52.19 | T0mW | SpeedEvil: the floors in my home are generally around 25C |
| 17:52.35 | SpeedEvil | I know how it works. |
| 17:52.40 | T0mW | :) |
| 17:52.43 | SpeedEvil | My house is ~1700s. |
| 17:52.50 | T0mW | ow ow ow |
| 17:52.59 | SpeedEvil | It has ~50cm thick walls, and then 5cm of air, and then plasterboard. |
| 17:53.06 | T0mW | lol |
| 17:53.11 | SpeedEvil | And suspended uninsulated floors. The attic is insulated. |
| 17:53.27 | SpeedEvil | But - the walls are the equivalent insulation of IIRC 5mm of polystyrene. |
| 17:53.36 | T0mW | yeah |
| 17:53.55 | SpeedEvil | But DIY ripping up the floors, and insulating is bloody tiring, and takes ages. |
| 17:54.07 | T0mW | Well, I imagine that you don't get much air infiltration? drafts |
| 17:55.08 | T0mW | I lived in a masonry home and it was cheap to heat. Concrete block walls, so they had an air space in the walls. |
| 17:55.26 | SpeedEvil | no airspace |
| 17:55.31 | T0mW | SpeedEvil: you've got solid stone? |
| 17:55.34 | SpeedEvil | no, no drafts really. |
| 17:55.35 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 17:56.17 | T0mW | yeah, that would be tough to heat. But, in the 1700s, they just built a huge fire in the fireplace and wore blankets instead of cloth. |
| 17:56.18 | T0mW | heh |
| 17:57.13 | T0mW | I guess that is why the Scotts are such fierce fighters? They are pissed off about being cold all the time? |
| 17:57.14 | T0mW | heh |
| 17:57.54 | T0mW | boot dev computer |
| 17:57.54 | SpeedEvil | When insulation is finished - it goes from needing ~14kw to maintain heat at coldest periods to ~1.5kw |
| 17:58.22 | T0mW | you insulating the walls with polystyrene? |
| 17:58.41 | T0mW | or, sprayed foam? |
| 18:00.27 | SpeedEvil | glass fibre |
| 18:00.43 | SpeedEvil | can't afford PIR/PUR foam boards. |
| 18:00.51 | SpeedEvil | sprayed foam is not possible DIY |
| 18:00.56 | T0mW | yeah |
| 18:01.17 | T0mW | just much higher R values per inch |
| 18:01.49 | T0mW | IIRC, spray foam can be as high as R10 per inch |
| 18:02.48 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 18:03.51 | SpeedEvil | The stuff I'm using is .032W/m^2/k |
| 18:03.51 | SpeedEvil | which is good for fibreglass - which is typically .04 |
| 18:03.51 | SpeedEvil | good foam board is .02 |
| 18:06.40 | T0mW | Yeah, you lost me on that. I know that there are different terms specifying insulation effectiveness, I only learned something about R-value, which is what we spec here in North America (US + Canada) |
| 18:07.16 | T0mW | what is the 'k' factor represent? |
| 18:08.29 | SpeedEvil | kelvin |
| 18:08.57 | SpeedEvil | a 1m cube with 1K across the faces has a flow of heat of .032W |
| 18:09.46 | T0mW | heh |
| 18:09.48 | SpeedEvil | (or .32W for 10cm thickness at 1K - or at 20K - 6.4W/m^2 - as I've got 100m^2 of wall - ~600W across the walls |
| 18:10.31 | SpeedEvil | (that would represent an average over a winter day) |
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