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| 00:04.10 | kesselhaus | hehe, and when we started, they wanted us to read in the speed by analog I/O pin... |
| 00:10.55 | SpeedEvil | Not ideal. :) |
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| 14:24.44 | transplant | anyone knows how to make a bootable qemu image from aboriginal system-image-??? |
| 14:25.25 | prpplague | transplant: landley does |
| 14:25.37 | transplant | i bet :) |
| 14:25.45 | landley | hmmm? |
| 14:26.16 | landley | transplant the system images are bootable under qemu as is. |
| 14:26.41 | CosmicPenguin | without the colon that sentence is hard to parse |
| 14:26.54 | landley | that's the difference between system-image and root-filesystem tarballs. |
| 14:26.59 | transplant | I'd like the kernel to be in the image so, for example, one could double click it in windows and open it with VirtualBox or whatver virtualizer |
| 14:27.32 | landley | CosmicPenguin: the nexus on-screen keyboard sucketh mightily. |
| 14:27.43 | CosmicPenguin | yes it does |
| 14:27.59 | CosmicPenguin | You haven't gotten Swype yet? |
| 14:28.07 | landley | ah, you wanr a partitioned bootable disk image with bootloader. |
| 14:28.41 | landley | you'll need fdisk. |
| 14:28.58 | transplant | yes exactly. One option is to wget mkext2fs, lilo, etc and do it |
| 14:29.23 | landley | Run ./dev-environment.sh to create an hdb.img |
| 14:29.50 | landley | then run fdisk on that hdb to add a primary partition |
| 14:30.16 | landley | then install grub or lilo, yes. |
| 14:30.41 | landley | I could make a script to do this. |
| 14:30.46 | transplant | OK thanks. |
| 14:31.15 | landley | Send a request to the mailing list to remind me. |
| 14:31.19 | transplant | script very welcome |
| 14:31.27 | transplant | will do |
| 14:31.40 | landley | I'll reply to it with a link when I get it implemented. |
| 14:31.59 | landley | Possibly this evening. |
| 14:32.02 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:32.13 | landley | morninng. |
| 14:32.58 | transplant | one more question. Is g++ really needed in the process or it's just there for being able to build C++ stuff? |
| 14:33.24 | transplant | because it takes about 40% of the image |
| 14:38.27 | mnemoc | https://lwn.net/Articles/390016/ :'( |
| 14:38.46 | mnemoc | soon it will be really needed :-\ |
| 14:39.17 | landley | transplant: what architectures are you interested in? |
| 14:39.26 | transplant | x86 |
| 14:39.47 | landley | Looking into it, bootloaders are annoyingly target-specific |
| 14:40.13 | landley | G++ isn't needed. |
| 14:40.27 | landley | the whole thing is C only. |
| 14:40.50 | transplant | mnemoc, very stupid idea IMO. will unecesarily bloat gcc-core. But aboriginal uses 4.2 which is last GPLv2 version |
| 14:40.57 | landley | The whole native toolchain is optional, actually. |
| 14:41.22 | landley | mnemoc: I await egcs2. |
| 14:41.29 | transplant | basically, i'm interested in a minimal linux build system. |
| 14:41.31 | transplant | :) |
| 14:41.36 | chouimat | transplant: depend which c++ features you use ... |
| 14:42.03 | landley | Looking like it will happen via users coalescing around llvm. |
| 14:42.15 | transplant | chouimat, gcc-core must be able to compile itself and future version of itself. thus it needs g++ in gcc-core |
| 14:42.33 | transplant | no more plain C compiler |
| 14:42.52 | landley | I thought pcc had more of a chance but it's really a question who self-bootstraps first. |
| 14:43.04 | mnemoc | landley: is your tcc still alive? |
| 14:43.13 | landley | transplant: gcc is dying. |
| 14:43.38 | landley | mnemoc I could be persuaded to revive it. |
| 14:44.06 | mnemoc | :) |
| 14:44.18 | landley | That's one reason I waant to getAboriginal 1.0 out. |
| 14:44.39 | landley | I re#lly hate this keyboard. |
| 14:44.45 | chouimat | removes cat from desk |
| 14:45.00 | transplant | getting to gcc 4.5 optimizing capabilities is man-years of work. OTOH, the TCG backend may be a better choice for a compiler |
| 14:45.48 | landley | Transplant: I'm using uclibc++ to make c++ suck less obviously. |
| 14:46.23 | landley | transplant: qcc=my tcc plus tcg. |
| 14:46.38 | transplant | neat |
| 14:46.51 | landley | that's the revival I mentioned. |
| 14:47.17 | mnemoc | nice idea |
| 14:47.20 | landley | Plus busyboxify the front end so it provides ld as cc strip... |
| 14:47.26 | chouimat | :) |
| 14:48.06 | landley | The trick is finding the time. Still gotta eat... |
| 14:48.59 | chouimat | landley: I thought you switched to a 240hours day a while back |
| 14:49.22 | landley | Caffeine. |
| 14:50.04 | chouimat | ok bbl today (way later) I have to go see a doctor my back hurts way too much ... can't even type without screaming |
| 14:51.08 | transplant | Anyway. What's i'm looking for it a minimal build system. IOW the smallest possible qemu image with gcc where one can wget and build anything they want from sources. |
| 14:51.33 | transplant | well said |
| 14:55.31 | transplant | that'd be the ideal linux distribution :) |
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| 15:02.39 | Mirell | Mmm. |
| 15:02.42 | Mirell | Time to watch the game. |
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| 15:29.38 | landley | transpkant: That's exactly what I'm trying to make. |
| 15:33.57 | Mirell | Come on, USA |
| 15:40.31 | CosmicPenguin | Still not good enough |
| 15:41.14 | Mirell | 2-2! |
| 15:41.46 | CosmicPenguin | I don't want to count on England to lose |
| 15:43.08 | Sphere_ | when will UK play? |
| 15:43.34 | Mirell | 1:30 CST |
| 15:43.38 | Mirell | PM, that is. |
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| 15:53.13 | CosmicPenguin | It goes without saying that i'm a huge Algeria fan right now |
| 15:55.14 | mnemoc | any german? :p |
| 15:55.29 | penguinece | okay |
| 15:55.32 | penguinece | there is absolutely no way |
| 15:55.37 | penguinece | that third goal should have been called back |
| 15:55.42 | penguinece | slovenia was holding half of our team |
| 15:55.45 | penguinece | and we still scored |
| 15:57.48 | mnemoc | since when americans care about football^Wsoccer? |
| 15:58.46 | Mirell | Yah. |
| 15:58.52 | Mirell | That was freakin' stupid. |
| 15:59.03 | mnemoc | my comment? |
| 15:59.08 | Mirell | Oh, no. |
| 15:59.17 | Mirell | The referee. |
| 15:59.22 | mnemoc | :) |
| 15:59.53 | penguinece | both :) |
| 16:02.11 | mnemoc | ^^ |
| 16:07.53 | mbuf | any website suggestions for watching football live? |
| 16:08.07 | Mirell | Our CFO is sitting in the lobby watching the game on the big TV. |
| 16:08.11 | Mirell | Er. |
| 16:08.18 | Mirell | Heh, that's amusing, but not what I meant to paste. |
| 16:08.19 | CosmicPenguin | espn3.com if you are in the US and you have a compatible ISP |
| 16:08.22 | Mirell | http://espn.go.com/espn3/player? |
| 16:08.23 | Mirell | Yah. |
| 16:08.34 | CosmicPenguin | espnradio.com has the radio feeds |
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| 16:25.38 | wmat | mbuf: cbc.ca is streaming all the games live |
| 16:27.36 | mbuf | wmat, thanks; I am not in the US, so espn3 doesn't work for me |
| 16:28.58 | mbuf | wmat, looks like this doesn't work outside Canada |
| 16:30.08 | wmat | oh, bummer |
| 16:40.18 | penguinece | espn3 is great, unfortunately I have to be at school to watch it since Time Warner is too cheap to purchase espn3 rights |
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| 17:25.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ping |
| 17:25.55 | CosmicPenguin | pong |
| 17:28.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey, qualcomm have board/chipset that supports multiple displays available? |
| 17:28.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i.e. hdmi + lcd |
| 17:28.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: or some such combo? |
| 17:31.53 | CosmicPenguin | To be honest, I'm not sure |
| 17:33.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh |
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| 21:26.37 | landley | hiya prpplague |
| 21:26.41 | prpplague | hey bud |
| 21:26.48 | prpplague | landley: whats cookin? |
| 21:27.09 | landley | still fighting with the linker book. |
| 21:27.34 | landley | dry |
| 21:27.34 | landley | arid |
| 21:27.59 | landley | This guy could summarize the karma sutra and bore teenagers. |
| 21:29.40 | kergoth_ | what book? |
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| 21:34.10 | mnemoc | a book about `ld`? |
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