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| 02:48.56 | alexand3r | hey |
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| 03:52.27 | landley | There are times git bisect needs to be pummeled with an iron bar. |
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| 04:06.06 | solar | is now one of those times? |
| 04:07.58 | SpeedEvil | I wish there were some nice simple algorithm for when you have an unreliable testcase |
| 04:08.16 | SpeedEvil | (that did not involve a hundred times more bisects) |
| 04:08.57 | khem | SpeedEvil: predictable testcase is a requirement IMO |
| 04:09.07 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 04:09.08 | SpeedEvil | I know |
| 04:10.37 | khem | fixing the problem is easier than getting a good testcase |
| 04:12.39 | SpeedEvil | yeah - sometimes. |
| 04:14.23 | SpeedEvil | Though I need to do more kernel hacking. |
| 04:15.13 | SpeedEvil | I have at least a reproducible bug - I'm just trying to trace back through a chain of datastructures and functions. |
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| 06:58.53 | geo_gcju_ | hi there. has anybody tried building oe in a chroot environment? |
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| 14:23.09 | Mirell | I never realized gdb had reverse debugging. |
| 14:23.37 | SpeedEvil | REverse debugging? |
| 14:23.57 | Mirell | http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/news/reversible.html |
| 14:24.15 | SpeedEvil | Wacky |
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| 14:33.07 | Mirell | Why are the Apple dtrace patches to Ruby not in the mainline Ruby...sigh. |
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| 15:14.56 | rektide | its only recently that reverse debugging is at all usable |
| 15:15.23 | rektide | still doesnt seem quite up to par with omniscient debugging: http://www.lambdacs.com/debugger/ |
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| 15:20.15 | Mirell | And of course, a day of debugging later, it's a three line fix, and one line being a comment. |
| 15:20.24 | Mirell | But it doesn't segfault anymore! |
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| 15:35.59 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:36.07 | prpplague | chouimat: greetings |
| 15:36.33 | chouimat | prpplague: went to see Dream Theater and Iron Maiden at ottawa bluesfest last night |
| 15:37.52 | prpplague | dandy |
| 15:39.22 | chouimat | prpplague: the best thing is I paid for the 2 weeks of the festival so each day cost me 20$ instead of 75$ if I only want 1 day ... |
| 15:39.40 | prpplague | nice |
| 15:40.12 | chouimat | so I just need 3 more show and I'm cool |
| 15:44.48 | CosmicPenguin | Grumble - company is shifting to live meeting |
| 15:44.55 | CosmicPenguin | apparently I was being too productive - we can't have that |
| 15:48.02 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: I have a 2h30 conference call this afternoon ... I'm not sure I will be able to do it ... the AC died in my office and it's 38C in here |
| 15:50.09 | CosmicPenguin | You have terrible luck |
| 15:55.30 | chouimat | yup |
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| 15:59.22 | BlindMan | CosmicPenguin: depends on waht kind of productivity :) |
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| 16:36.57 | calculus | prpplague: in your quest for usb logic analyzers, did you look at this one: http://dangerousprototypes.com/open-logic-sniffer/? |
| 16:37.50 | prpplague | calculus: it wasn't available when i needed it a last year |
| 16:37.55 | prpplague | calculus: it was pre-order |
| 16:40.06 | calculus | ahh |
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| 16:52.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: have i mentioned lately that i really hate git |
| 16:52.40 | evilmoo | what don't you like about git? |
| 16:55.06 | prpplague | evilmoo: i find the operations totally un-intuitive |
| 16:55.54 | evilmoo | can you give a specific example? |
| 16:59.55 | prpplague | evilmoo: an example is when i want to checkout a specific branch, create a local branch, make some changes and generate patches |
| 17:00.12 | prpplague | evilmoo: that whole procedure is very akwards |
| 17:04.27 | evilmoo | I've only ever used it as a single user, but yeah I can see how that could get hairy |
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| 17:06.43 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: thats okay, because I still love it |
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| 17:12.36 | sunrunner20 | wtf, i keep losing connection to freenode, but all my other IRC servers are rock solid |
| 17:17.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you still getting hammered over that RFC? |
| 17:28.10 | CosmicPenguin | Hammered by who - the community? |
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| 17:44.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
| 17:46.02 | CosmicPenguin | no - the community knows it is right |
| 17:46.10 | CosmicPenguin | and really, they don't care *that* much |
| 17:52.56 | BlindMan | what rfc? |
| 17:57.51 | Mirell | Oh, abrupt context switches, how many hours of productivity you have cost me... |
| 17:58.40 | CosmicPenguin | sounds like your scheduler needs to be optmized |
| 17:59.16 | Mirell | Would be nice, although not entirely sure how to approach boss-type person with that note. |
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| 18:14.51 | rektide | prpplague: are you on the OMAP team? is SiByte's stuff still alive at all? |
| 18:15.16 | prpplague | rektide: i am on a OMAP team |
| 18:15.47 | prpplague | rektide: no clue about SiByte |
| 18:16.46 | rektide | i dont expect any commentary and wont ask any questions, but let me just offer up that i'm eagerly anticipating SGX-MP on OMAP |
| 18:16.55 | rektide | a simple act of hope |
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| 18:19.51 | rektide | also, ya'll Acorn people are way behind the other ARM. Marvell having pci-e and SATA and a nice coherent switch to route that data through is something thats the rest of the arm world is also way behind the times on |
| 18:20.16 | prpplague | rektide: uh what? |
| 18:20.22 | prpplague | rektide: didn't understand your statement |
| 18:21.14 | prpplague | rektide: pci-e and sata aren't traditionally things you need in a mobile device |
| 18:22.39 | rektide | first off, people are using ARM in non-traditional mobile applcations. chumby, beagleboard, sheevaplug, &c |
| 18:23.49 | rektide | maybe OMAP4 doesnt have any ambitions to target that space |
| 18:24.29 | rektide | or OMAP5 doesnt |
| 18:24.57 | rektide | but there will certainly be plenty of people targetting A9 at the space formerly reserved for expensive MIPS and Freescale PPC. |
| 18:25.20 | rektide | Marvell's really been the only player from ARM land |
| 18:26.10 | prpplague | rektide: only player for what? |
| 18:26.24 | rektide | computer appliances |
| 18:26.30 | prpplague | rektide: ahh |
| 18:26.34 | rektide | everything between desktops and cellphones |
| 18:26.36 | rektide | everything |
| 18:26.49 | prpplague | rektide: i would dispute "everything" |
| 18:29.33 | rektide | well, i'm tempted to just apologise for bothering you here |
| 18:29.37 | rektide | let me switch tracks |
| 18:29.46 | rektide | and say i value pci-e because silicon doesnt iterate fast enough |
| 18:30.06 | rektide | customers will derive huge competitive value if they can push out USB 3.0 ahead of their competition |
| 18:30.11 | rektide | the flavor de'jure changes |
| 18:30.38 | rektide | and a peripherial bus gives customers the freedom to pursue whatever they think will win them the next quarter |
| 18:31.29 | rektide | believe me, you'll find no bigger fan of SoC, but there's enough lag in getting new chips out, and enough corner cases, that a SoC has to have some adaptability |
| 18:31.49 | rektide | is that at least a little constructive? i'm trying to be constructive; i dont feel like i had been at all helpful before. |
| 18:32.02 | rektide | i dont want to just spout off my own biases here |
| 18:32.16 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 18:32.28 | SpeedEvil | I wish USB3 hadn't gone with a silly-for-mobile connector |
| 18:34.16 | rektide | i would be curious to know wtf is up with that weird ass usb3 connector. is it for usb2.0 intercompat or something? |
| 18:34.24 | prpplague | rektide: i follow your arguments well, problem is that OMAP3/4 and beyond haven't really been targeted to those use cases |
| 18:34.43 | prpplague | rektide: sata support has come up a bunch lately |
| 18:34.51 | prpplague | rektide: as well as PCI-e |
| 18:35.15 | prpplague | rektide: but as you stated they mainly relate to use cases where the device is stationary |
| 18:35.33 | rektide | prpplague: and netbooks |
| 18:36.33 | prpplague | rektide: netbooks haven't been discussed much |
| 18:37.32 | rektide | so what exactly does TI see as the use case for a dual core 1.5ghz+ omap? |
| 18:38.06 | rektide | phones really need that for web rendering? with the same SGX530 they've had for... 18, 24 months now? |
| 18:38.15 | rektide | the platform is scaling unevenly |
| 18:38.53 | prpplague | rektide: i can;t answer that for several reasons |
| 18:39.32 | prpplague | rektide: lets just call it "emerging" markets |
| 18:40.51 | roxfan | in-car entertainment? |
| 18:41.03 | rektide | mid's |
| 18:41.09 | rektide | and in-car |
| 18:41.25 | rektide | dont expect a clear answer, he cant say |
| 18:41.57 | roxfan | well that was my suggestion for a use case, not really a question |
| 18:43.15 | prpplague | funny, california has all these people boycotting arizona, and it will be a supreme court ruling precedent from california law that will uphold the arizona law |
| 18:43.45 | prpplague | guess that qualifies as irony |
| 18:44.00 | rektide | what precedent? |
| 18:44.23 | rektide | arizona's always been a fascist state, that it took such buffonery to make it obvious is sad |
| 18:44.36 | rektide | arizona, pa, virginia |
| 18:44.58 | prpplague | i see |
| 18:45.12 | prpplague | disagrees |
| 18:45.25 | prpplague | rektide: DE CANAS V. BICA, 424 U. S. 351 (1976) |
| 18:46.42 | rektide | my main concern with the three states listed is their level of police enforcement, what the enforcement targets, and the fines levied. |
| 18:47.13 | prpplague | wonders where rektide lives |
| 18:48.06 | rektide | was living in CO, just moved to a silly city elsewhere. |
| 18:53.01 | rektide | would you opine any states you find to be overly authoritarian? |
| 18:54.01 | prpplague | rektide: california and new york, but both on accounts of just the items i have read, i haven't visited either state in decades and have never lived in either |
| 19:00.58 | dfarnsworth_ | thinks the feds are overly authoritarian. especially with selective enforcement of laws. |
| 19:01.13 | prpplague | dfarnsworth: indeed |
| 19:01.34 | prpplague | is for a lot less federal authority |
| 19:01.58 | dfarnsworth | ignoring laws in order to reward friends and punish enemies has become the norm |
| 19:02.47 | dfarnsworth | but then, I was born in a facist state and still live there. :) |
| 19:03.20 | prpplague | dfarnsworth: indeed and the whole immigration process has become a way to punish people who come to the states legally and rewards those who come illegally |
| 19:03.21 | dfarnsworth | s/facist/fascist |
| 19:06.09 | CosmicPenguin | I would agree with prpplague if I didn't feel like the states were even more authoritarian, corrupt and inept at enforcing their laws |
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| 19:06.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: many are, but here is the thing, don't like the state, don't live there |
| 19:07.07 | CosmicPenguin | or visit, or do business with.... |
| 19:07.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: exactly |
| 19:07.52 | CosmicPenguin | Hard to do these days... |
| 19:07.56 | dfarnsworth | thinks the immigration process needs to be more open (letting more people come in sooner) |
| 19:08.26 | prpplague | dfarnsworth: yes, it needs to be more open and easier to complete the process |
| 19:08.33 | dfarnsworth | but as long as the feds wink at people coming in outside of the process, the process won't be fixed |
| 19:08.34 | penguinece | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.12 | prpplague | dfarnsworth: exactly |
| 19:10.39 | CosmicPenguin | In parallel, enforcement on companies that hire illegal workers needs to get much stronger much faster |
| 19:10.50 | CosmicPenguin | and we all need to be willing to pay 6 bucks for a pound of tomatoes |
| 19:11.01 | prpplague | indeed |
| 19:11.04 | prpplague | agrees |
| 19:11.30 | dfarnsworth | CosmicPenguin: I agree too, but too many people like the status quo and fight employer sanctions |
| 19:12.03 | CosmicPenguin | Thats right - because they either benefit directly from it, or have been taught that anything restricting business is evil, evil, evil |
| 19:13.16 | dfarnsworth | yes. or they like the control they have over those who are here illegally |
| 19:14.18 | dfarnsworth | many in government benefit politically from having illegal workers here |
| 19:16.43 | dfarnsworth | oh. sorry. I thought this was #politics :) |
| 19:17.22 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:18.35 | dfarnsworth | so, Germany or Spain? :) |
| 19:20.22 | CosmicPenguin | which has more cats? |
| 19:24.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: or the toxi parisite |
| 19:25.40 | dfarnsworth | that is an interesting correlation |
| 19:29.22 | prpplague | dfarnsworth: you read the article? |
| 19:30.18 | dfarnsworth | prpplague: I did. :) |
| 19:30.27 | dfarnsworth | at least: an article |
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| 20:22.16 | CosmicPenguin | Thunderstorm - imagine that..... |
| 20:23.04 | Sphere | spain it is |
| 20:23.28 | CosmicPenguin | Spain vs Holland - they are still angry about the 30 years war |
| 20:23.51 | CosmicPenguin | Or is it the war of Spanish Succession? |
| 20:24.11 | Sphere | spain vs holland is less emotional then spain vs germnay |
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