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| 16:29.48 | RobotGuy | Greetings Programs. |
| 16:31.48 | chouimat | morning |
| 16:32.42 | SpeedEvil | morning |
| 16:32.48 | SpeedEvil | Well - afternoon |
| 16:32.51 | SpeedEvil | Almost evening. |
| 16:32.58 | SpeedEvil | But I just gotup 2 hours ago. |
| 16:33.00 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 16:33.18 | SpeedEvil | Live streaming events in different timezones are bad. |
| 16:33.30 | chouimat | SpeedEvil: hehe ;) |
| 16:33.51 | chouimat | SpeedEvil: I went to see Rush last night ... great show :) |
| 16:33.59 | RobotGuy | I watch live.twit.tv for new episodes of shows. |
| 16:34.15 | RobotGuy | This Week in Tech |
| 16:34.27 | SpeedEvil | I use BBC Iplayer a lot. |
| 16:34.34 | SpeedEvil | (with the get_iplayer script) |
| 16:34.38 | RobotGuy | I'm using gPodder |
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| 16:38.57 | SpeedEvil | Currently trying to work out how to play flash streams not through flash. |
| 16:39.06 | SpeedEvil | Fun with rtmpdump/proxy things. |
| 16:39.18 | RobotGuy | Isn't that a contradiction? Flash without flash? |
| 16:39.44 | SpeedEvil | Sorrof. |
| 16:40.18 | RobotGuy | I have a suggestion on how to make Trainer more useful. |
| 16:40.20 | SpeedEvil | The flash player is a 'binary' - that runs and loads a stream in various video formats typically over rtmp or rtmpe |
| 16:40.52 | SpeedEvil | However - there are so many levels of inefficiency going on in this stack that it's silly. |
| 16:41.14 | SpeedEvil | For example, I get full motion video fullscreen simply with about 20% of CPU using ffplay. |
| 16:41.21 | RobotGuy | Android likes Flash, but Apple doesn't like it. |
| 16:41.27 | SpeedEvil | And flash won't even load that site |
| 16:41.42 | RobotGuy | I want to get a ready made Android image for my BeagleBoard. |
| 16:41.42 | SpeedEvil | Well - to be more accurate - the site has broken javascript and requires flash 10. |
| 16:42.23 | RobotGuy | I have not been able to get Android to build yet. |
| 16:42.52 | SpeedEvil | Currently I'm concentrating on - for the nokia n900 - poking people to get stuff done by englightening them as to what the hardware can do that's not exploited. |
| 16:43.06 | SpeedEvil | Using trivial one-liners, and understanding the hardware. |
| 16:43.46 | SpeedEvil | For example - the FM radio player app goes through A/D D/A and a software EQ when playing over the speakers, imposing a large CPU workload. |
| 16:43.57 | SpeedEvil | This is the approved API |
| 16:44.01 | SpeedEvil | IT's doing things right. |
| 16:44.07 | SpeedEvil | (the FM radio app is third party) |
| 16:44.27 | SpeedEvil | However - the hardware can actually be configured to route teh audio direct, and it has a nice FIR filter too for EQ |
| 16:46.14 | RobotGuy | That seems like it might be better. |
| 16:47.02 | SpeedEvil | The SW stack shows regrettable signs of having being designed by software people. |
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| 16:53.47 | RobotGuy | Only by SW people? |
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| 16:59.53 | RobotGuy | I always thought software and hardware people should be communicating when a software stack needs to be created. |
| 17:00.43 | bsdfox | they should just let the hardware people do it |
| 17:01.18 | RobotGuy | I don't think that would work well either. SW and HW people need to talk to each other. |
| 17:01.43 | bsdfox | hardware people know software. software people don't know hardware |
| 17:03.52 | calculus | not the hardware people I have worked with |
| 17:04.10 | RobotGuy | I don't see how it can be assumed that hardware people know software. |
| 17:06.17 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I like the Trainer Board, except for the fact the Beagle's UART is hard wired to the Atmega's UART. I may not want them to communicate that way, and might prefer I2C and using the UARTs for other things. |
| 17:06.49 | bsdfox | why use i2c |
| 17:06.51 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea we've already made that change for future versions |
| 17:06.57 | bsdfox | use spi or uart |
| 17:07.37 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Excellent! I will be looking forward to the next revision and will get one then. |
| 17:08.07 | prpplague | RobotGuy: don't hold your breath, might be a long time |
| 17:09.09 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK. Unfortunately, I really can't use a Trainer in its current revision. I need the UARTs to be separated. |
| 17:09.38 | RobotGuy | And the Beagle UART pins to be available to the proto area. |
| 17:09.48 | RobotGuy | (and Atmega UART pins). |
| 17:10.16 | prpplague | RobotGuy: takes a whole 5 minutes to mode |
| 17:10.18 | prpplague | mod |
| 17:10.41 | RobotGuy | sighs |
| 17:11.03 | RobotGuy | Modding is not a good thing for me to attempt. |
| 17:11.45 | RobotGuy | Even trying to solder the expansion connector to my Beagle scares me. |
| 17:12.59 | SpeedEvil | RobotGuy: Reportedly, the n900 was designed, and then handed over to the SW people |
| 17:13.11 | SpeedEvil | RobotGuy: which leads to ... moments |
| 17:13.47 | SpeedEvil | Like finding that the lovely CIR module that can do flexible hardware timing and stuff, and handle most remote control protocols sanely like just another serial protocol. |
| 17:13.58 | RobotGuy | SpeedEvil: Well, I still say SW people need to learn the hardware they are developing for in order to create good stuff. |
| 17:14.00 | SpeedEvil | Isn't actually used, and the control LED is hooked to a PWM pin |
| 17:14.39 | RobotGuy | I run into good hardware being ignored in favor of bit banging, which really makes no sense to me, sometimes. |
| 17:15.18 | SpeedEvil | And the battery charge meter/software stack is misconfigured. |
| 17:15.20 | RobotGuy | I don't mind learning the hardware in order to be able to create better software. |
| 17:15.29 | prpplague | RobotGuy: if it were me and i needed an additional uart i'd just get a spi->uart chip |
| 17:15.34 | Mirell | 'lo RobotGuy |
| 17:15.51 | SpeedEvil | So that the nice battery charge monitor chip isn't actually used properly, as it can never learn the capacity, because the software turns it off just before it would learn. |
| 17:15.52 | prpplague | RobotGuy: but if you want a trainer board with it connected via i2c, i'll hand mod one for you for an extra charge |
| 17:16.03 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I'm looking at that possibility now, since SparkFun came out with their SPI<->UART breakout boards. |
| 17:16.24 | SpeedEvil | Maxim has NRND'd their USB->SPI host bridge - which saddens me |
| 17:17.55 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: why? it was a terrible part, why not use a ft2232 ? |
| 17:18.02 | SpeedEvil | Host |
| 17:18.07 | SpeedEvil | not device |
| 17:18.07 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Thanks for the offer, but I don't want it to be a permanent mod. I want to be able to make the connections I need for a given project, so I can reuse the Trainer. |
| 17:18.32 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: ahh |
| 17:19.12 | SpeedEvil | I haven't seen another USB host device usable by small micros that can use any device and doesn't just have - say - mass storage drivers |
| 17:19.22 | bsdfox | RobotGuy: put a couple jumpers in the proto area to select which connections you have |
| 17:19.59 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: the ftdi one does |
| 17:20.35 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: here is one of the dev kits - http://www.dlpdesign.com/usb/vlog.shtml |
| 17:20.56 | RobotGuy | bsdfox: It doesn't look like the UART pins of the Beagle and Atmega are available to the proto area, because they are tied together. |
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| 17:21.11 | bsdfox | RobotGuy: yeah so you cut the trace and wire it how you want |
| 17:21.25 | bsdfox | or pay prpplague to do it |
| 17:21.59 | prpplague | like i said, a whole 5 minutes |
| 17:22.52 | RobotGuy | That is something I might be willing to pay to have done, but I doubt I could afford prpplague's rates. |
| 17:24.26 | RobotGuy | Right now, I am paying Rent-A-Center for a laptop that replaces my dead main PC. |
| 17:29.14 | RobotGuy | At least this laptop is faster than my old PC was. :) |
| 17:29.59 | RobotGuy | Now I can take my robot development stuff with me when I take my robot out, and I have Clear wireless to go with it. |
| 17:30.25 | RobotGuy | If only Clear would work inside my apartment. |
| 17:30.50 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: That is only to a very limited class of devices - the vinculum does not support arbitrary devices. |
| 17:32.26 | RobotGuy | I think I need to order some stuff from SparkFun soon. |
| 17:34.59 | RobotGuy | prpplague: See PM. :) |
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| 17:36.42 | chouimat | this afternoon will be painful :( |
| 17:40.22 | RobotGuy | bsdfox: I'm going to purchase a modded Trainer next month. It will get me exactly what I need for the projects I want to do with my Beagle. |
| 17:42.45 | RobotGuy | I've already written code for an Arduino that allows it to accept commands and return results via a UART. Next is to add the option of doing that via I2C. |
| 17:44.07 | bsdfox | RobotGuy: I'd use spi instead |
| 17:44.18 | RobotGuy | I also have to write the Beagle side code to make use of the results and send commands to the Arduino. |
| 17:44.22 | bsdfox | it's faster and easier |
| 17:44.37 | RobotGuy | bsdfox: I've never used SPI, but it might be an option also. |
| 17:45.46 | RobotGuy | I still want the option to use serial or I2C also though. |
| 17:46.27 | RobotGuy | I plan to connect an XBee to the Atmega or Beagle UART. |
| 17:47.47 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Is it possible to have a Trainer and a Zippy/Zippy2 connected to Beagle at the same time? |
| 17:47.55 | prpplague | no |
| 17:48.45 | RobotGuy | I probably really don't need to do that, now that I think of it. |
| 17:49.26 | RobotGuy | I would have liked to have the ethernet for Beagle. |
| 17:55.32 | RobotGuy | I already have ethernet on the little hub I have for Beagle, so that's good enough. :) |
| 17:56.30 | chouimat | wonders what the status of the beagleboard-xm is |
| 17:56.57 | RobotGuy | chouimat: I am waiting for that also. The -XM is exactly what I need for my robot projects. |
| 17:57.42 | RobotGuy | Last I read on the beagle list, they are still working to resolve some issues for the -XM. |
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| 20:33.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: HA! have you seen some of the examples SCO said were cut-n-paste from unix? |
| 20:33.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.mcbride-law.com/2010/07/09/lanham-act-claims-extend-to-false-statements-by-implication-and-innuendo/#printpreview |
| 20:35.51 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: I meant to link you that last night |
| 20:35.54 | SpeedEvil | Some... |
| 20:36.03 | SpeedEvil | I mean - yes - they look identical. |
| 20:36.20 | SpeedEvil | That's because once you strip away the indenting, and the required calling conventions, and ... |
| 20:36.35 | SpeedEvil | There is almost no way to write some of the functions other ways. |
| 20:40.44 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: yea it is totally silly stuff |
| 20:46.16 | CosmicPenguin | We already knew it was silly - now we know how silly it is |
| 20:49.05 | SpeedEvil | Is SCO finally dead yet? |
| 20:49.18 | SpeedEvil | I'm kinda expecting them to wheel a wookie into court. |
| 20:49.18 | RobotGuy | Greetings, Mr. Penguin. :) |
| 20:50.35 | bsdfox | the sad thing is that SCO was a good company |
| 21:04.10 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: nope, they just filed an appeal |
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| 21:05.18 | alexand3r | their evidence is so shakey it's ridiclous. |
| 21:05.26 | alexand3r | now they're claiming that ELF is the big intellectual property. |
| 21:05.33 | alexand3r | not the code.. the actual methodology. |
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