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| 04:09.28 | stiv2k | hi |
| 04:09.34 | stiv2k | anyone here expert at bga reballing? |
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| 15:17.55 | T0mW | quietly sneaks off towards the coffee pot |
| 15:18.32 | T0mW | dumps chad on sjhill-afk |
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| 15:54.51 | prpplague | Mirell: about to see a major drop in gold/silver sales in the states and the price go majorly high |
| 15:55.42 | T0mW | there goes the price of bread & vegetables |
| 15:55.59 | prpplague | T0mW: hey bud! |
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| 15:56.10 | T0mW | prpplague: hey dude |
| 15:56.19 | prpplague | T0mW: sure needed your brain yesterday |
| 15:56.27 | T0mW | ha! So did I |
| 15:56.32 | CosmicPenguin | We had a zombie outbreak |
| 15:56.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ? |
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| 15:56.45 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: I would have qualified! Drat |
| 15:57.01 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: what do zombies eat? |
| 15:57.08 | T0mW | kibbles? |
| 15:57.13 | prpplague | T0mW: starting Jan1, all precious metal sales over $600 will require a 1099 |
| 15:57.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: brains |
| 15:57.24 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah |
| 15:57.31 | CosmicPenguin | Exactly, so we needed T0mW's brain in lieu of giving them one of ours |
| 15:57.35 | CosmicPenguin | which presumably are still in us |
| 15:57.37 | CosmicPenguin | e |
| 15:57.37 | prpplague | ahh |
| 15:58.05 | T0mW | been messing with this PC/104+ board the past two days |
| 15:58.40 | T0mW | today, I'm trying to figure out where the ISA 16Meg address space is mapped into kernel |
| 15:59.05 | T0mW | For that matter, where it might appear in physical memory |
| 15:59.38 | T0mW | seems this is common knowledge, so nobody discusses it on the web. |
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| 16:02.03 | T0mW | I suspect the region above kernel bss is where it is located |
| 16:05.29 | T0mW | prpplague: I was also laying a hardwood floor in the spare bedroom yesterday. I did check my email though. |
| 16:07.42 | Mirell | prpplague: Heh. |
| 16:07.46 | Mirell | prpplague: Thanks for keeping me up to date. |
| 16:08.11 | prpplague | Mirell: yea, it was funny as the new regulations were part of the health care bill |
| 16:08.33 | prpplague | Mirell: basically it is going to drive alot more people overseas |
| 16:09.09 | CosmicPenguin | Where, ironically, they will have health care... :) |
| 16:10.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: not really |
| 16:11.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: most non-citizens don't get the benefits |
| 16:12.29 | CosmicPenguin | Well, more or less, it depends on the country and the situation. My point is, if you think the US is too socalized, you might like what you find elsewhere |
| 16:12.38 | CosmicPenguin | not like, even |
| 16:13.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh right, my point was there were new precious metal regulations in a health care bill |
| 16:14.18 | CosmicPenguin | well of course - standard operating procedure, no? |
| 16:14.25 | prpplague | indeed |
| 16:15.12 | CosmicPenguin | <insert standard rant about publicly funded campaigns here> |
| 16:16.15 | prpplague | i just hope to get the kids off to college before things get really bad |
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| 16:32.58 | wmat | prpplague: I assume you got your confirmation by now? |
| 16:33.18 | prpplague | wmat: indeed, i have to write up an updated bio and synapses |
| 16:33.34 | wmat | nice |
| 16:34.13 | prpplague | wmat: thanks for the info |
| 16:34.23 | wmat | np |
| 16:34.44 | prpplague | man six flags is getting some serious heat from the locals |
| 16:36.24 | wmat | why? They disallow sidearms? |
| 16:41.23 | Mirell | I went to Six Flags Fiesta Texas a few weeks ago. |
| 16:41.37 | Mirell | I apparently now dislike roller coasters. |
| 16:44.59 | prpplague | wmat: muslim family day on 9/12 |
| 16:45.28 | wmat | ah |
| 16:45.45 | wmat | unfortunate choice of dates |
| 16:45.48 | prpplague | indeed |
| 16:46.39 | prpplague | wmat: they are a privately owned business and can do whatever they want, but it is sure going to affect their bottom line |
| 16:48.08 | prpplague | wmat: texans have always been pretty proud of six flags, so it has come a pretty big slap in the face for alot of people |
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| 18:06.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey, i'm curious what your opinion is of NASA and manned space missions |
| 18:08.38 | CosmicPenguin | I like tang |
| 18:09.55 | CosmicPenguin | I'll answer you seriously in a few minutes - I'm trying to pay attention to a conference call |
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| 18:20.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: np |
| 18:21.28 | SpeedEvil | Spacex is doing fantastically interesting work in that area. |
| 18:22.25 | SpeedEvil | They have achieved an awesome development and first launch of a heavy launcher at what it'd cost NASAs usual suspects to generate 102 tons of paper on a feasibility study. |
| 18:42.12 | CosmicPenguin | I think that NASA is generally reasonable - they have the knowledge and means to do useful things |
| 18:42.38 | CosmicPenguin | Especially for unmanned missions |
| 18:43.10 | CosmicPenguin | Now, as for manned missions, I subscribe to Steven Hawking's position that you don't keep an important sample in a single petri dish in the lab |
| 18:44.11 | CosmicPenguin | Now, is NASA the right entity to continue pushing manned exploration of the solar system? Unclear - they have the knowledge, but they're restrained by bureaucracy and the whims of politics |
| 18:44.55 | CosmicPenguin | We've done generally well so far transitioning to commercial satellite launching, and it has been done (I think) with a minimum of the usual BS that happens when for-profit organizations get involved |
| 18:45.52 | CosmicPenguin | That trend seems to be mostly continuing now, but commercial manned exploration is mostly the domain of rather rich and generally "cool" folks who want to do it just for the lolz |
| 18:46.53 | CosmicPenguin | We will see how things progress, but the advantage of NASA is that they work in the interest of the nation and of mankind in general |
| 18:47.29 | CosmicPenguin | if we are to be exploring and launching useful satellites and doing interesting things in space, I want it to be for my benefit |
| 18:59.31 | prpplague | hmm interesting |
| 19:02.36 | stiv2k | i need a new SMD pick up tool that doesnt cost an arm and a leg |
| 19:02.41 | stiv2k | any suggestions? |
| 19:02.57 | stiv2k | i have a cheap $5 chinese one that doesnt have any suction anymore |
| 19:03.25 | stiv2k | i tried to lift a GPU and the solder was pulling down with greater force than my tool was pulling up |
| 19:03.41 | stiv2k | thus i couldnt lift it without sliding it off with a screwdriver |
| 19:03.52 | stiv2k | and i took off like 5 other components with it |
| 19:06.26 | Sphere | oh i thought you mean a pick and place machine |
| 19:06.50 | stiv2k | nah just a small vacuum suction tool |
| 19:07.07 | Sphere | buy a pile of those chinese ones ;) |
| 19:07.10 | SpeedEvil | Umm... |
| 19:07.26 | SpeedEvil | I would totally disagree with much of that unfortunately Cosmicpengin. |
| 19:07.29 | SpeedEvil | Oh - he lft. |
| 19:07.34 | SpeedEvil | lef |
| 19:07.51 | SpeedEvil | Fundamentally, NASA is a welfare organisation. |
| 19:08.05 | stiv2k | i have this |
| 19:08.07 | stiv2k | http://cgi.ebay.com/IC-SMD-Easy-Pick-Up-Pickup-Hand-Tool-Vacuum-Suck-Pen-/260589419492?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cac56fbe4 |
| 19:08.25 | stiv2k | i can only use the largest rubber attachment, which is too large for the chip i tried to lift last night |
| 19:08.30 | stiv2k | since the middle one is torn |
| 19:08.44 | stiv2k | and even the large one doesnt hold anything for longer than 2 seconds |
| 19:08.48 | SpeedEvil | It has through lobbying - no interest in picking a $10M solution over a $500M one. Especially when the $500M is to one of the 'usual suspects'. |
| 19:08.48 | stiv2k | there must be an air leak in it |
| 19:09.06 | SpeedEvil | Did it arrive torn? |
| 19:09.20 | stiv2k | im not sure, i dont remember, it was about a year ago when i purchased it |
| 19:09.25 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 19:09.40 | SpeedEvil | licking the cup may help |
| 19:09.55 | stiv2k | im not sure if i trust it though |
| 19:10.02 | stiv2k | it looks so cheap and the rubber looks so fragile... |
| 19:10.17 | SpeedEvil | Sealing needs to be good |
| 19:10.20 | stiv2k | i want one that is high quality |
| 19:10.21 | stiv2k | yeah |
| 19:10.29 | SpeedEvil | the rubber to some extent needs to be fragile - as it has to be thin |
| 19:11.22 | stiv2k | i totally screwed up a board |
| 19:11.27 | stiv2k | by sliding the gpu off |
| 19:11.31 | Sphere | rubber over a while hardens |
| 19:11.36 | stiv2k | since i couldnt lift it |
| 19:12.09 | stiv2k | i thought the solder wasnt melted so i upped the heat, but it was melted, my tool just had zero lifting force |
| 19:13.03 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 19:13.19 | stiv2k | so is there any tool that is better quality than this chinese garbage but not so expensive that it requires an electric pump and all that jazz? |
| 19:15.42 | stiv2k | this one is different and costs a little more http://cgi.ebay.com/902-115-Hand-Held-SMD-Vacuum-Pick-Up-Placement-Tool-/400136610234?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d2a0021ba |
| 19:16.02 | stiv2k | but something tells me its still made in china and probably low quality |
| 19:18.35 | Mirell | Well so far, I'm rather unimpressed with AT&T's microcell. |
| 19:22.27 | stiv2k | this one is like $35 but looks just as shitty http://cgi.ebay.com/900-238-Professional-SMD-Vacuum-Pick-Up-Tool-Case-/180060364010?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item29ec6f1cea |
| 19:22.51 | stiv2k | would you guys trust any of these products? |
| 19:26.36 | davidc__ | I have a "proskit" brand pair of tweezers and they're fine |
| 19:26.43 | davidc__ | but then again, its pretty hard to screw up tweezers |
| 19:27.06 | stiv2k | davidc__: can you pick up large chips with tweezers?? |
| 19:27.42 | davidc__ | stiv2k: no, i just mean about the brand - I can't pickup really large BGAs for example. |
| 19:28.02 | davidc__ | I just have a pair of needlenose pliers I use for that [really thin tips] |
| 19:28.17 | stiv2k | ehhh? |
| 19:28.23 | stiv2k | how do you pick up a bga with needlenose pliers |
| 19:28.40 | davidc__ | by putting one tip on either side of the IC and closing the jaws? |
| 19:28.56 | SpeedEvil | you also get special tweezers |
| 19:29.05 | SpeedEvil | they have tips with little |
| 19:29.10 | SpeedEvil | | | |
| 19:29.12 | SpeedEvil | [ ] |
| 19:29.13 | SpeedEvil | on |
| 19:29.19 | stiv2k | do you mean grabbing it by the top and the underside? or grabbing the left and the right (really WIDE) |
| 19:29.39 | stiv2k | SpeedEvil: where can i get those? |
| 19:29.55 | SpeedEvil | I got mine out of a skip in Glenrothes. |
| 19:29.59 | SpeedEvil | I could give you directions. |
| 19:30.06 | SpeedEvil | But I think they've shut. |
| 19:30.17 | stiv2k | im thinking online store |
| 19:30.18 | davidc__ | stiv2k: left and right - not top and bottom. |
| 19:30.19 | SpeedEvil | Well - I know they have. |
| 19:30.29 | davidc__ | stiv2k: its not like they're terribly heavy |
| 19:30.55 | stiv2k | davidc__: true but i didnt think a needlenose pliers can open wide enogh to do that... say on like a 40x40 bga |
| 19:31.25 | davidc__ | stiv2k: well, depends on your grid size I suppose - but given how much most 40x40 BGAs go for, I think you can afford a vaccuum pen :P |
| 19:31.53 | stiv2k | well i dont buy bgas :p |
| 19:32.09 | davidc__ | then why do you need to pick them up :P |
| 19:32.12 | SpeedEvil | http://www.zeph.com/probes_tweezers.htm stiv |
| 19:32.13 | stiv2k | i have a bunch of broken shit im toying with |
| 19:32.20 | stiv2k | learning how to rework/reball/repair |
| 19:32.35 | stiv2k | trying not to break my wallet in the process |
| 19:32.52 | stiv2k | SpeedEvil: epic! |
| 19:32.57 | stiv2k | ill have a look around |
| 19:33.44 | SpeedEvil | that's the basic idea anyway |
| 19:33.57 | SpeedEvil | a dremel lets you also mod tweezers |
| 19:34.08 | SpeedEvil | and you can do the same with pliers (to the tweezers) |
| 19:35.06 | stiv2k | hmm |
| 19:35.41 | stiv2k | well anything so i dont find myself sliding bgas off the board |
| 19:35.45 | stiv2k | is emberassed |
| 19:36.28 | SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/advsearch.dx/search.tweezers/searchType.s/adv/PriceMin.p/0/PriceMax.p/9999/InStockOnly.s/0/IsReviewedOnly.s/0/PrimaryCategoryID.c/0/ReleaseDateRange.t/0 |
| 19:36.31 | SpeedEvil | too |
| 19:37.40 | stiv2k | wtf... |
| 19:37.47 | stiv2k | Pet Care Grooming Tick Remover |
| 19:38.05 | stiv2k | is somehow bunched in with all these tweezers |
| 19:38.16 | SpeedEvil | it's just a search for tweezers |
| 19:38.24 | SpeedEvil | they sell basically any crap that tehy can |
| 19:38.32 | Sphere | hehe |
| 19:38.38 | Sphere | dx rox though |
| 19:38.54 | Sphere | just don't have too high expectations |
| 19:38.58 | SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/products.dx/random.gadgets |
| 19:39.24 | stiv2k | uhh |
| 19:39.29 | stiv2k | i think im going to have to stick to the vacuum suction |
| 19:39.50 | stiv2k | im wondering if its possible to modify one of those desoldering bulbs, to convert it into a smd pick up tool |
| 19:40.13 | Sphere | those with a spring? |
| 19:40.13 | stiv2k | it may be able to provide better suction than the tiny little vacuum pen |
| 19:40.28 | stiv2k | im talking about the red rubber bulb that you squeeze |
| 19:41.01 | stiv2k | http://midwestxbox.com/store/images/De-soldering%20Bulb.jpg |
| 19:42.07 | SpeedEvil | Some DX products are questionable. |
| 19:42.11 | SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.17900 |
| 19:42.32 | stiv2k | oh my |
| 19:42.42 | stiv2k | electronically tested? |
| 19:42.54 | stiv2k | - Product of China -- where locals rely on such products to avoid birth control penalties (the government legally enforces birth control and fines "overage") |
| 19:46.00 | stiv2k | maybe i can use really sticky tape |
| 19:46.03 | Sphere | Bottomline: They are ok if your not going to use them to prevent having a baby. and you know that your partner is clean. |
| 19:46.03 | stiv2k | to pick up chips |
| 19:46.06 | Sphere | haha |
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| 20:48.48 | Mirell | I have cell phone signal. |
| 20:48.49 | Mirell | It's so beautiful. |
| 20:49.33 | stiv2k | i never get signal in my house |
| 20:49.43 | Mirell | I got the AT&T MicroCell for work. |
| 20:49.47 | stiv2k | as soon as i walk outside, i get full signal |
| 20:49.54 | stiv2k | inside, zero signal |
| 20:50.04 | stiv2k | my house must have lead everywhere |
| 20:50.51 | alexand3r | hey |
| 21:16.41 | sjhill | who is pretty comfortable with the OMAP pin muxxing code? |
| 21:37.22 | Crofton | you have an issue with it? |
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| 21:53.19 | SpeedEvil | stiv2k: I am putting up foile-lined plasterboard soon. |
| 21:53.32 | SpeedEvil | stiv2k: this is for vapour barrier reasons - to stop condensation |
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