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| 03:57.34 | rue_shop | so I applied the supplied buildroot config and had to ok a lot of new config defaults, i'm rather worried that this kernel isn't going to work on my hammer board and I'm not feeling the support love |
| 03:59.09 | prpplague | rue_shop: the hammer has only had basic support for over a year, it is a pretty old device |
| 03:59.31 | prpplague | rue_shop: what kernel version did you update to? |
| 03:59.44 | rue_shop | I'm concerned cause I'm walking in the dark, and walls tend to sneak up on me |
| 03:59.59 | rue_shop | I got buildroot, so it downloaded something |
| 04:00.15 | prpplague | rue_shop: are you building a root filesystem or a kernel? |
| 04:00.33 | rue_shop | I only want to have a kernel that supports the network module |
| 04:00.38 | rue_shop | thats all I want |
| 04:00.54 | rue_shop | I been told I need to upgrade the kernel |
| 04:00.56 | prpplague | rue_shop: buildroot won't build the hammer kernel |
| 04:01.06 | prpplague | rue_shop: why didn't you use the kernel on the wiki? |
| 04:01.07 | rue_shop | I been told to compile a new kernel I need to install and compile builtroot |
| 04:01.25 | rue_shop | the wiki gives vauge instructions about hwo to build a new kernel |
| 04:01.33 | prpplague | rue_shop: how are they vague? |
| 04:01.50 | rue_shop | I dont have the urls up anymore cause we been having power outages as they upgrade lines |
| 04:02.19 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_How_to_build_Kernel |
| 04:02.21 | rue_shop | your saying I dont need buildroot to compile a new kernel |
| 04:02.23 | rue_shop | yea |
| 04:02.42 | rue_shop | it just makes off remarks about how kernels newer than 2.6.22 are done |
| 04:02.59 | prpplague | rue_shop: well you need to have a cross-compiler installed on your system, whether that is buildroot's or something else |
| 04:03.12 | prpplague | rue_shop: do you have a cross compiler installed? |
| 04:03.18 | rue_shop | I was told buildroot WAS the cross compilation tools |
| 04:03.44 | prpplague | rue_shop: buildroot is a build tool, it only builds things |
| 04:04.00 | Mirell | Hmm. |
| 04:04.03 | rue_shop | uclibc |
| 04:04.11 | Mirell | rue_shop: #uclibc is more specialized for this |
| 04:04.18 | rue_shop | was a hangup, I understand you need uclibc to compile the kernel |
| 04:04.32 | Mirell | rue_shop: In terms of specifically Buildroot stuff. |
| 04:04.41 | prpplague | Mirell: actually #uclibc channel strictly forbids discussion of buildroot |
| 04:04.44 | rue_shop | ok lets push this all aside |
| 04:04.45 | Mirell | Does it. |
| 04:04.53 | prpplague | Mirell: indeed |
| 04:04.55 | rue_shop | a) I have a hammer that I need network support on |
| 04:05.03 | Mirell | prpplague: Topic for #uclibc: discussion of uClibc, Busybox and Buildroot |
| 04:05.04 | prpplague | Mirell: see #edev topic |
| 04:05.21 | Mirell | Huh. |
| 04:05.23 | prpplague | Mirell: well that would be new then, vapier and his crew have been adomant about that |
| 04:05.24 | rue_shop | it came with kernel 2.6.22 with the enc28j60 compiled as a module |
| 04:05.28 | Mirell | Well they need to change their topic then. |
| 04:05.35 | Mirell | prpplague: Screw vapier. :D |
| 04:05.41 | rue_shop | I have a blank PC |
| 04:05.46 | rue_shop | what do I do first |
| 04:05.52 | rue_shop | according to the wiki |
| 04:05.57 | rue_shop | export ARCH=arm |
| 04:06.05 | rue_shop | but I dont download anything first |
| 04:06.08 | prpplague | rue_shop: wait on second |
| 04:06.38 | prpplague | rue_shop: http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_Getting_Started |
| 04:06.39 | rue_shop | the kernel howto does not contian a download list for dependencies to build the kernel |
| 04:06.50 | prpplague | rue_shop: wait wait wait |
| 04:07.02 | prpplague | rue_shop: you are trying to address too many things at once |
| 04:07.07 | rue_shop | yes |
| 04:07.22 | rue_shop | and the guy who wants his prototype is steaming |
| 04:07.53 | prpplague | rue_shop: follow the directions on the getting started page first |
| 04:07.54 | rue_shop | I'm gonna come out stuck with a bill for $400 in parts that aren't usefull to me |
| 04:07.58 | rue_shop | ok |
| 04:08.10 | prpplague | rue_shop: you have to have a build environment up and running first |
| 04:08.14 | rue_shop | yes |
| 04:08.59 | prpplague | rue_shop: once you have the buildroot complete, i can walk you through building a custom kernel |
| 04:09.08 | rue_shop | ok |
| 04:09.30 | rue_shop | how many hours before and after now are you available for support typically? |
| 04:10.31 | prpplague | rue_shop: i'm generally on irc from around 9:30am CST to atleast 6pm CST |
| 04:10.41 | rue_shop | what time cst is it now |
| 04:10.49 | prpplague | 11:10pm |
| 04:10.55 | rue_shop | mmhmm |
| 04:11.01 | rue_shop | you usually in on sat? |
| 04:11.09 | prpplague | sometimes |
| 04:11.29 | prpplague | if i know you are going to be on at a specific time, i'll try to make myself available |
| 04:12.00 | rue_shop | I'm usually attacking this starting about 3 hours earlier than now |
| 04:12.13 | rue_shop | :/ |
| 04:12.36 | rue_shop | my fileservers gonna hate me for this |
| 04:12.59 | prpplague | rue_shop: well you need to start by making sure that your buildroot environment is complete |
| 04:12.59 | rue_shop | deletes the buildroot he was making and gets the wiki version |
| 04:13.05 | rue_shop | yes |
| 04:13.11 | prpplague | rue_shop: just install the one off the cd |
| 04:13.25 | prpplague | rue_shop: it has all the source downloaded already |
| 04:13.30 | prpplague | rue_shop: will save alot of time |
| 04:13.31 | rue_shop | ok |
| 04:13.53 | rue_shop | its not download time I have concerns about, its config version mismatches |
| 04:14.27 | prpplague | rue_shop: the cd is fine |
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| 04:15.36 | prpplague | Mirell: for years #uclibc has made it clear they didn't want to discuss buildroot |
| 04:16.04 | prpplague | rue_shop: you got the tarball untared? |
| 04:16.12 | rue_shop | waiting for fileserver |
| 04:16.37 | prpplague | rue_shop: don't have the cd handy? |
| 04:16.54 | rue_shop | copied it from the copy on the other fileserver |
| 04:17.07 | rue_shop | merging two sites sucks |
| 04:17.18 | prpplague | i see |
| 04:17.29 | rue_shop | untarring now |
| 04:18.00 | rue_shop | shoudl I compile everything with the 2.6.22 it comes with, then stirr it up? |
| 04:18.20 | prpplague | rue_shop: buildroot doesn't compile the kernel |
| 04:18.32 | prpplague | rue_shop: buildroot compiles the root filesystem items |
| 04:18.32 | rue_shop | but it links with headers, yesno? |
| 04:18.48 | rue_shop | cd buildroot |
| 04:18.49 | prpplague | rue_shop: headers generally stay the same |
| 04:18.51 | rue_shop | kjsdf |
| 04:19.19 | prpplague | rue_shop: cd to your buildroot dir |
| 04:19.32 | prpplague | rue_shop: cp the hammer config to .config |
| 04:19.49 | rue_shop | done |
| 04:19.56 | prpplague | rue_shop: do: make oldconfig |
| 04:20.57 | rue_shop | making (on the slowest 2Ghz pentium cellery I'v ever seen) |
| 04:21.05 | rue_shop | ah done |
| 04:21.37 | prpplague | rue_shop: ok, now do: make |
| 04:22.00 | prpplague | rue_shop: depending on the speed of your host pc and net connection, it will take about an hour to build |
| 04:23.37 | prpplague | rue_shop: it building? |
| 04:24.32 | rue_shop | yes |
| 04:24.36 | rue_shop | sorry, making notes |
| 04:26.38 | rue_shop | so I'm gonna say goodnight and hopefully see someone tommorow regarding continueing the process |
| 04:26.52 | prpplague | dandy |
| 04:26.53 | rue_shop | any instructions you want to cache me with? |
| 04:27.13 | prpplague | no, lets just get the buildroot complete first |
| 04:27.19 | rue_shop | ok |
| 04:27.23 | rue_shop | thankyou. |
| 04:28.17 | prpplague | np |
| 04:28.36 | rue_shop | I'v done compiling and custom kernels for pc's this uclibc thing is throwing me |
| 04:31.49 | prpplague | rue_shop: getting cross compiling up and running and be a difficult item for someone coming from the PC side of linux |
| 04:34.50 | rue_mohr | I'd hate to be someone who hasn't dealt with linux at all |
| 04:35.08 | prpplague | indeed |
| 04:35.38 | rue_mohr | what got you into this? |
| 04:35.52 | rue_mohr | work? hobby? threats? |
| 04:39.10 | prpplague | work |
| 04:39.48 | prpplague | rue_mohr: i actually designed the Hammer as a prototype for a customer |
| 04:40.02 | prpplague | rue_mohr: when we finished with the customer's design, we were left with the hammer |
| 04:40.11 | prpplague | rue_mohr: then decided to try and sell it |
| 04:40.23 | prpplague | rue_mohr: as a hobby board |
| 04:53.52 | prpplague | man, six flags sure has got their butt in a sling |
| 04:55.18 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: micah sure knows how to really hack - http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/07/2_bluetooth_serial_with_propeller_u.html |
| 04:58.11 | prpplague | dijenerate: ping |
| 05:10.42 | rue_mohr | cool |
| 05:10.54 | rue_mohr | my avr carrer flopped :) but I designed them for me anyhow |
| 05:14.18 | prpplague | the hammer wasn't a big hit either |
| 05:14.38 | prpplague | the flyswatter was designed to help with jtag , an it was the big seller |
| 05:14.43 | prpplague | we still sell tons of them |
| 05:14.52 | rue_mohr | hmm, well, welcome to the club! :) |
| 05:15.03 | rue_mohr | hmm |
| 05:15.17 | prpplague | the zippy and zippy2 have been big sellers as well |
| 05:15.25 | rue_mohr | jtag? |
| 05:16.51 | prpplague | rue_mohr: jtag is the interface that most arm devices have that allows for low level interfacing to the cpu to do things like debugging and flash programming |
| 05:17.01 | prpplague | rue_mohr: some avr's have it as well |
| 05:17.04 | rue_mohr | I know jtag, I work with avrs |
| 05:17.27 | prpplague | rue_mohr: ahh sorry i thought you were asking what jtag was |
| 05:17.33 | rue_mohr | I support a gap in processing power tho avr ->micropc |
| 05:17.56 | rue_mohr | as I build robots |
| 05:18.09 | rue_mohr | ones large enough for a fullsize motherboard if desired |
| 05:20.04 | prpplague | dandy |
| 05:20.58 | rue_mohr | but using embedded linux config on std pc hardware interests me |
| 05:21.29 | rue_mohr | even with a lot of shaving, debian isn't small |
| 05:22.44 | rue_shop | that not good |
| 05:23.00 | rue_shop | lxdialog/checklist.c:297: error: 'KEY_LEFT' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 05:23.00 | rue_shop | lxdialog/checklist.c:298: error: 'KEY_RIGHT' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 05:23.00 | rue_shop | lxdialog/checklist.c:312: error: 'KEY_RESIZE' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 05:23.00 | rue_shop | make[2]: *** [lxdialog/checklist.o] Error 1 |
| 05:23.00 | rue_shop | make[1]: *** [extra/config/conf] Error 2 |
| 05:23.20 | rue_shop | aha |
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