| 00:04.52 | landley | And back. |
| 00:05.35 | landley | It occurs to me that I know at least three people in the DFW area, counting you. |
| 00:19.55 | Mirell | landley: Entire project getting canned? |
| 00:20.17 | landley | Don't think so. |
| 00:20.41 | landley | My contract's the only one to expire before january. |
| 00:20.56 | Mirell | Ouch. |
| 00:21.13 | landley | There was about a three month gap before the next hire. |
| 00:21.24 | landley | shrugs. |
| 00:22.00 | landley | They've got plenty of smart people here. Most of them aren't linux guys, but eh. |
| 00:23.04 | Mirell | Well, apparently I get to build out my own testing lab.. |
| 00:29.48 | prpplague | landley: TI has had a hell of a time getting people to come to the DFW area |
| 00:29.56 | prpplague | landley: no one wants to move right now |
| 00:30.18 | landley | Mirell: um, yay? |
| 00:30.49 | Mirell | landley: Um? |
| 00:31.19 | landley | Prpplague: I might be willing to move, but it wouldn't be my first choice. |
| 00:32.19 | landley | Mirell: is "get to" a good thing or bad thing here? |
| 00:32.26 | Mirell | landley: Oh, a good thing. |
| 00:32.42 | Mirell | I got a budget, rack space, and free reign. |
| 00:32.57 | landley | Prpplague: dallas is close enough to visit easily even without moving. |
| 00:33.07 | landley | Mirell: cool. |
| 00:33.13 | prpplague | landley: yea i don't think they are completely wanting on site |
| 00:33.17 | Mirell | prpplague: They need to realize the Cisco way. |
| 00:33.25 | Mirell | prpplague: My boss is actually on a farm in Missouri. |
| 00:33.33 | Mirell | prpplague: And half the team is scattered around the world |
| 00:37.02 | prpplague | indeed |
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| 00:38.52 | prpplague | later folks |
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| 02:10.31 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 02:10.35 | prpplague | merry freakin tuesday |
| 02:10.37 | landley | Green giant? |
| 02:10.48 | prpplague | santa dave |
| 02:11.00 | landley | How goes the world? |
| 02:11.25 | landley | The santa is due to...? |
| 02:11.55 | prpplague | explode |
| 02:12.11 | landley | Good to know. |
| 02:12.12 | prpplague | landley: pandaboard stuff went live yesterday |
| 02:12.44 | landley | Woot! |
| 02:12.57 | prpplague | landley: plus i have a couple of contracts that are like a bunch coma patients, they just won't die |
| 02:13.41 | prpplague | landley: http://www.pandaboard.org |
| 02:14.10 | prpplague | landley: most likely if you hook up with TI youd be working on some omap4 stuff |
| 02:14.17 | landley | All for it. |
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| 02:14.35 | prpplague | landley: no NDA's from qualcomm that would get in the way? |
| 02:14.54 | landley | Not that I know of. |
| 02:15.32 | landley | The chips I've been targeting have already shipped, they're in the Nexus One and such. |
| 02:15.49 | landley | I've been involved with stuff that's all intended to go upstream into open source projects. |
| 02:15.59 | prpplague | ahh should be ok then |
| 02:16.38 | landley | This is qualcomm. Everything remotely interesting they patented, at least twice. |
| 02:17.37 | prpplague | indeed |
| 02:17.43 | prpplague | same as TI |
| 02:17.54 | landley | I'm still hoping someone will do a <$100 USB arm thingy. |
| 02:18.27 | landley | But nobody who can ship the volume to make it that cheap is interested in targeting that niche. :P |
| 02:18.28 | prpplague | landley: well we are planning to dump the remaining stock of the hammer and nail board stuff |
| 02:18.51 | prpplague | landley: well TCT has been moving up in the world |
| 02:19.03 | prpplague | landley: alot more resources than we had 2 years ago |
| 02:19.09 | landley | Woot? |
| 02:19.12 | landley | Whatever happened with that? |
| 02:19.18 | landley | (My guess is "nothing" since I haven't heard about it...) |
| 02:19.27 | prpplague | the nail board? |
| 02:19.40 | landley | and hammer. |
| 02:19.45 | landley | TCT in general. |
| 02:19.48 | prpplague | we still sell a bunch of it |
| 02:19.50 | landley | How goes moving up in the world? |
| 02:20.05 | landley | You said you were dumping the stock...? |
| 02:20.10 | prpplague | TCT mainly does contract work for larger companies these days |
| 02:20.34 | prpplague | landley: yea we still a bunch, but it is only a fraction of our biz |
| 02:21.14 | landley | I'd like something that can run Linux, but is cheap enough that students could buy it as part of a course. |
| 02:21.25 | landley | Either one day course or as part of a college course, or... |
| 02:21.35 | prpplague | landley: we've been doing eval boards for big companies like Microchip, Mircrel and FTDI |
| 02:21.37 | landley | Don't want it to be much more than the textbook. |
| 02:21.44 | landley | All arm? |
| 02:21.54 | prpplague | landley: yea we found there just isn't that much money in that market |
| 02:22.11 | prpplague | landley: most are accessory boards |
| 02:22.36 | prpplague | landley: i.e. accessories for the beagle |
| 02:23.03 | landley | If you could partner with educational institutions who could make a curriculum around a board, you could sell dozens at a time. |
| 02:23.11 | landley | Still not thousands, though. |
| 02:23.16 | prpplague | landley: we tried for literally years for that |
| 02:23.35 | landley | I vaguely recall the board cost something like $200? |
| 02:24.01 | prpplague | landley: yea for retail, we tried to get deals with uni's on less that $100 |
| 02:24.26 | landley | First I've heard about it. |
| 02:24.32 | landley | I'd have tried to mock up a curriculum for you. |
| 02:24.45 | landley | But oh well, water under the game of poker... |
| 02:24.46 | prpplague | landley: yea we went to about 50 different uni's |
| 02:25.13 | prpplague | landley: we found it much more profitable to work directly with manufacturers |
| 02:25.25 | landley | You need the software side ready and a mocked up curriculum. |
| 02:25.37 | landley | I've taught classes, I know how much work goes into laying out a course. |
| 02:25.38 | landley | It's a bit. |
| 02:25.58 | prpplague | landley: i.e. Micrel came to use for an eval board to be used with the beagle, they give us a PO for xxxx number of boards we build it, they sell it, we get paid lump sum |
| 02:26.08 | landley | Woot. |
| 02:26.15 | landley | Oh sure, it's a better source of revenue for TCT. |
| 02:26.18 | prpplague | landley: so thats what we mainly do |
| 02:26.38 | prpplague | landley: we also do alot of quick turn-key designs for proof-of-concept stuff |
| 02:27.13 | landley | What's the cheapest system that could run Linux? |
| 02:27.25 | prpplague | with what features? |
| 02:27.28 | landley | Pretty much gotta be a repurposed router, but getting a serial console on that requires a soldering iron. |
| 02:28.17 | landley | Well, absolute minimum is processor, some ram, and a serial console, and some way to boot the thing. |
| 02:28.23 | landley | (jtag or flash). |
| 02:28.48 | prpplague | landley: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=BLU-OE-A730-R&cat=NBB |
| 02:28.58 | prpplague | landley: you can buy that in bulk for less than $50 |
| 02:29.49 | landley | Refurbished, availability almost gone. |
| 02:30.09 | landley | Is that x86 or arm? |
| 02:30.23 | landley | ah, there's the specs. |
| 02:30.34 | prpplague | landley: that's just for geeks.com |
| 02:30.46 | prpplague | landley: you can purchase them directly from china |
| 02:30.49 | landley | How do you reflash said storage (to replace wince)? |
| 02:31.10 | prpplague | landley: has a serial boot feature |
| 02:31.21 | landley | Ooh, very nice. |
| 02:31.21 | prpplague | landley: same processor that is used in the leapfrog didj |
| 02:31.33 | landley | Yeah, that would be pretty much it. |
| 02:31.43 | prpplague | http://elinux.org/Didj |
| 02:31.46 | landley | I could probably base a curriculum around that pretty easily. :) |
| 02:31.54 | prpplague | pretty full linux support |
| 02:32.45 | prpplague | landley: there is also the nano-note - http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Ben_NanoNote |
| 02:32.54 | prpplague | landley: nanonote is fully opensource |
| 02:34.23 | landley | I visited five pages, none of which had a guess at home much a nanonote costs. |
| 02:34.33 | landley | One page listed shipping charges for a bunch of countries, none had a price for the product. |
| 02:34.43 | prpplague | landley: $99 in single qty |
| 02:34.58 | prpplague | landley: after 100 it drops down to around $65 |
| 02:36.04 | landley | Cool. |
| 02:37.06 | prpplague | landley: alot of the asian markets are using ARM for netbooks |
| 02:37.11 | prpplague | landley: dirt cheap ones |
| 02:37.13 | landley | That one's mips. |
| 02:37.17 | prpplague | yea |
| 02:37.22 | landley | Serial console via gnd/rxd/txd pads under the battery. |
| 02:37.37 | landley | Generally the first thing you want to do is get a serial prompt. |
| 02:37.49 | landley | There's a dozen things that need to work before you get that. |
| 02:37.54 | prpplague | yea they have a dev version with those already populated |
| 02:38.36 | prpplague | landley: yea if you were going to do it as a school item, you;d probably want to re-work some of the items to make it easier to dev on |
| 02:38.41 | prpplague | landley: nothing major though |
| 02:39.05 | landley | You'd need a student kit. |
| 02:39.20 | prpplague | yea |
| 02:39.21 | landley | Hardware, software, and basic curriculum. |
| 02:39.46 | prpplague | and alot of time to work on it |
| 02:40.03 | prpplague | (and money to market it) |
| 02:40.20 | landley | To make a course? Not that long, a couple weeks. |
| 02:40.56 | landley | But then I'd say that intending to repurpose Aboriginal. :) |
| 02:41.25 | prpplague | well we spent months on it, with no success |
| 02:41.38 | prpplague | probably just not our cup of tea |
| 02:42.21 | prpplague | we had hoped that the nail board would take off, but it never too hold in the uni's |
| 02:42.45 | prpplague | thats why we started doing the accessories |
| 02:42.50 | landley | Hardware by itself isn't enough. |
| 02:43.02 | landley | You need bundled software and a teaching guide. |
| 02:43.14 | landley | Ideally you'd want it to be the hardware bundled with a textbook. :) |
| 02:43.17 | prpplague | yea we even hired a processor at a uni to do some stuff |
| 02:43.26 | landley | professor? |
| 02:44.11 | prpplague | yea sorry typo |
| 02:51.55 | landley | Well, it's a problem I would have loved a shot at, but I understand there being more lucrative market niches out there. :) |
| 02:52.51 | prpplague | yea, we can look at something in the future, but we have our hands full with half a dozen proof-of-concept contracts right now |
| 02:53.04 | landley | Yay having more work than you can handle. :) |
| 02:53.14 | landley | "Such problems we should have" |
| 02:55.16 | davidc__ | heh; thats a nice problem to have |
| 02:56.08 | prpplague | davidc__: hey bud |
| 02:56.20 | davidc__ | hey prpplague; sounds like life is good there! |
| 02:56.30 | prpplague | is stressing |
| 02:56.58 | prpplague | davidc__: were you wanting in on some contract work for TI? |
| 02:57.12 | prpplague | davidc__: you can send your resume info to jay |
| 02:57.15 | davidc__ | prpplague: I asked jay about it |
| 02:57.24 | prpplague | davidc__: did he respond? |
| 02:58.04 | davidc__ | prpplague: yeah - nothing in his group is in Canada though; he said there might be some stuff from another group |
| 02:58.14 | davidc__ | prpplague: anyhow - I'd want to take a look at the job before applying |
| 02:58.28 | prpplague | davidc__: yea there are a bunch of openning |
| 02:58.28 | prpplague | s |
| 02:59.27 | solar | might like to work for teslamotors |
| 03:00.07 | prpplague | solar: or bug labs? |
| 03:00.27 | prpplague | wonders about some of these VC companies that don't actually ship a product |
| 03:00.53 | solar | I know tesla is using some opensource hardware. Is buglabs who helped work on that? |
| 03:01.23 | prpplague | solar: no, just another VC company that is doing opensource hardware |
| 03:01.44 | prpplague | http://www.buglabs.net/ |
| 03:04.58 | prpplague | solar: they keep pulling in tons of VC sources, but i can't find anyone that has actually bought a buglabs product |
| 03:05.23 | prpplague | solar: they just got another $10M recently |
| 03:06.11 | prpplague | http://www.businessinsider.com/bug-labs-office-tour-2010-5 |
| 03:06.13 | Mirell | Hmm... |
| 03:06.37 | Mirell | is brainstorming on how to deal with hundreds of gigabytes of PCAPs and indexing/searching them.. |
| 03:08.32 | prpplague | wonders how they have gotten over $30M in the last 3 years |
| 03:08.55 | prpplague | ~seen mallum |
| 03:09.00 | purl | prpplague: i haven't seen 'mallum' |
| 03:09.08 | Mirell | wonders how in the world Grooveshark is still alive |
| 03:09.35 | davidc__ | christ; buglabs got $30m? |
| 03:09.38 | davidc__ | wow. |
| 03:10.18 | davidc__ | well; if they have a $400/unit profit; they only need to sell 75k units |
| 03:10.26 | davidc__ | like that's gonna happen for a devkit |
| 03:10.32 | davidc__ | What exactly is their business model? |
| 03:11.45 | prpplague | 75k is alot of units |
| 03:11.55 | prpplague | beagleboard has only sold 30k |
| 03:12.01 | davidc__ | sorry; I was trying to lay on the sarcasm thick :P |
| 03:12.07 | prpplague | and that is emensely popular |
| 03:12.10 | prpplague | ahh |
| 03:12.12 | prpplague | :) |
| 03:12.31 | prpplague | davidc__: i haven't been able to figure out their biz model either |
| 03:13.00 | davidc__ | maybe they expect to have their stuff in finished devices? I don't know |
| 03:14.18 | prpplague | yea no clue on that kind of stuff |
| 03:14.22 | prpplague | that's why i' |
| 03:14.35 | prpplague | that's why i'm poor |
| 03:15.13 | davidc__ | yeah; $30mil is rediculous - a startup I was at with an actual business model; and a working prototype on the desk couldn't get $1mil in financing to finish it + make the first production run |
| 03:15.45 | prpplague | davidc__: yea that is what amazes me |
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| 16:05.03 | prpplague | i need to do a little sequence of sysfs echo's |
| 16:05.12 | prpplague | and would rather have a dedicated C app |
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| 22:00.16 | wmat | prpplague: is this what you're looking for http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/13/android-native-apps |
| 22:00.25 | prpplague | yea |
| 22:00.51 | prpplague | wmat: uh wait no |
| 22:01.11 | prpplague | wmat: http://gimite.net/en/index.php?Run%20native%20executable%20in%20Android%20App |
| 22:01.17 | prpplague | wmat: thats what i was looking for |
| 22:03.41 | prpplague | wmat: now i need to know how to set and get a system property |
| 22:07.15 | wmat | ask one of those highly paid consultants in the next cube ;) |
| 22:10.29 | wmat | prpplague: in C or Java? |
| 22:10.34 | prpplague | can't find any android devrs |
| 22:10.37 | prpplague | java |
| 22:10.48 | wmat | http://developer.android.com/reference/java/lang/System.html |
| 22:14.31 | wmat | System.setProperty() and System.getProperty() |
| 22:14.46 | wmat | also, this may be useful http://blog.chinaunix.net/u2/85805/showart_1421739.html |
| 22:17.23 | prpplague | yea, found that too, looks like i have a permissions issue |
| 22:18.45 | prpplague | hmm, permission denied |
| 22:20.00 | prpplague | wonders where the permission settings are |
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