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| 00:40.38 | Mirell | I am still trying to avoid learning ClearCase, but I'm afraid it's unavoidable. |
| 00:41.20 | T0mW | heh, I just (re)started working with OE, also unavoidable. |
| 00:43.56 | Mirell | Pain. |
| 00:44.25 | Mirell | At least for QA's repository, which is CVS, there's already git cvsimport, so that was mostly painless, after I figured out CVS_RSH=ssh is how you set it to use ssh. |
| 00:44.30 | Mirell | Stupid environment variables. |
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| 00:51.28 | T0mW | Mirell: experience is the reason that they pay you the BIG money. |
| 00:59.09 | Mirell | Heh |
| 00:59.31 | Mirell | Yah, I learned this time to claim what I consider a ridiculous hourly wage for myself, and got pretty darn close to it. |
| 00:59.43 | Mirell | will never understand why companies pay contractors so much |
| 01:05.28 | wmat | Mirell: because it's a short term investment in an expected high return |
| 01:06.48 | wmat | Mirell: and if you're contracting with a large company, contractors don't normally effect a departments budget but rather come out of a larger, corporate expense fund |
| 01:07.03 | wmat | at least in my experience anyway |
| 01:07.04 | Mirell | Yah, Cisco with its giant chest fund |
| 01:07.34 | wmat | nice |
| 01:08.03 | T0mW | Mirell: lucky you, you now know what you're worth |
| 01:08.11 | Mirell | Hehe |
| 01:08.20 | Mirell | Yah, I got kind of burned first time around contracting |
| 01:08.53 | wmat | dare I ask what "ridiculous hourly wage" equates to? |
| 01:09.02 | T0mW | I'm trying to price out a project now: do I ask for $36K or hit them for $50+ and let them chew down the price? |
| 01:09.17 | Mirell | wmat: I asked for $75, they offered $50 |
| 01:09.22 | T0mW | bah |
| 01:09.42 | wmat | all I know is whenever I've made $75/hour the headhunter was usually billing me at $100-$125/hour |
| 01:09.42 | Mirell | That's a ridiculous hourly wage for someone with not quite yet three years of experience. |
| 01:09.46 | T0mW | Mirell: did you counter at $60, or needed the money? |
| 01:10.07 | Mirell | T0mW: Needed the money, I'd been unemployed for two months |
| 01:10.38 | wmat | $50 not terrible if you're incorporated and doing something interesting though |
| 01:10.39 | Mirell | And also, I'm in Austin, so it's not like the wages in California |
| 01:10.51 | Mirell | wmat: $50/hour is insanely good money in Austin. |
| 01:11.29 | wmat | Mirell: it's on the low side for us 40 year olds with kids and mortgages ;) |
| 01:11.48 | Mirell | Heh, yah. 25, no kids or family, and minimal debts. |
| 01:12.20 | wmat | I'd be on a plane to somewhere cool if I was in that position again |
| 01:12.36 | Mirell | But still, I've got a 1,500 square foot apartment with a two-car garage, and rent is only $1K |
| 01:12.52 | Mirell | I remember being in Orange County, seeing an ad, "Rents starting as low as $1,200!" |
| 01:13.09 | wmat | sounds like you've got a good setup |
| 01:13.10 | Mirell | I'm on the high-end scale of rents. Starting at 1.2K is...jesus. |
| 01:13.15 | Mirell | Yah. |
| 01:13.17 | Mirell | Land is cheap here. :D |
| 01:14.15 | wmat | is Cisco in Austin? |
| 01:14.20 | Mirell | Ayup |
| 01:14.24 | Mirell | With the IPS team, in fact. |
| 01:14.53 | wmat | ah, so you have to go to an office? |
| 01:15.08 | Mirell | It's pretty lax, I can work from home if I want |
| 01:15.14 | wmat | nice |
| 01:15.16 | Mirell | But I prefer going to an office most of the time |
| 01:15.24 | Mirell | It cuts down on distraction |
| 01:15.29 | Mirell | Like, bed. |
| 01:15.34 | wmat | heh |
| 01:15.50 | Mirell | Also I have to build out two new racks of servers |
| 01:16.28 | Mirell | Basically building a validation setup for the IPS, since the firm in India they had was...well, horrible. |
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| 11:18.34 | sledges | hello, i'm using U-Boot 2009.08-00001-g432ef23 |
| 11:19.06 | sledges | soz wrong chan lol |
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| 15:44.37 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:49.51 | florian | hi chouimat |
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| 16:37.31 | sledges | hello |
| 16:37.42 | sledges | i have a custom libc.a on my board. how can I add it to the linking chain, so the primary CodeSourcery_G++_Lite/ arm-none-eabi/lib/libc.a would look for references in that custom libc.a? (tried LD_LIBRARY_PATH, adding -L parameter - still no luck, G++'s libc.a takes over and does not look where it's asked) |
| 16:43.49 | T0mW | sledges: you can specify the linking sequence in the linker script |
| 16:44.54 | T0mW | sledges: for example: INPUT( -lc -lstdc -lc -lgcc ); |
| 16:45.44 | T0mW | sledges: note that the linker is NOT recursive |
| 16:46.11 | chouimat|busy | T0mW: hi |
| 16:46.17 | T0mW | chouimat|busy: yo! |
| 16:46.44 | T0mW | chouimat|busy: finally got some proposals out there for some work! |
| 16:46.45 | sledges | T0mW: i tried playing with the output of arm-none-eabi-gcc -print-search-dirs , by putting my libc.a in the folders above or below the G++'s libc.a, and figured out that linker takes only the first appearing libc.a .. |
| 16:46.52 | sledges | does not seem to be able to merge them |
| 16:47.21 | sledges | but both needed (if custom libc.a is first in the path, it starts cursing on impure_ptr and sbrk etc) |
| 16:47.30 | T0mW | sledges: no, it is the linker script that you want. GCC processes the list of libs you give it and does a recursive link |
| 16:48.38 | T0mW | sledges: with a linker script, YOU control the sequence of the libs that are looked at. BUT, it is more of a PITA to use a script, however, embedded systems are a PITA at times. heh |
| 16:49.00 | sledges | i am porting mplayer to my platform, where in ./configure configure.in Makefile etc..? i should provide that INPUT(...) script? i cannot seem to find any instances on INPUT in the build src |
| 16:49.40 | T0mW | open a console, then type in: "info ld scripts" |
| 16:50.05 | sledges | i thought there were measures to incorporate a custom built architecture/board-dependent libc.a into the cross-compiling process, trivially ... since it's so often needed! |
| 16:50.37 | T0mW | sledges: maybe I'm not understanding the problem here? |
| 16:51.23 | T0mW | sledges: are you saying that the development tools are trying to link in something like an X86 libc instead of the ARM one? |
| 16:52.28 | T0mW | chouimat|busy: busy eh? Doing what? |
| 16:52.50 | sledges | no, they are linking their respective ARM libs, just that it shouts on undef references of functions, which are board-dependent, so i have to provide them. since in my rootfs i already have them (i grep the symbols and they are there), i just want to link in (equiv problem: http://www.embeddedrelated.com/groups/lpc2000/show/48415.php) |
| 16:53.32 | sledges | (see e.g. the first answer) |
| 16:54.33 | T0mW | well, take that example, ok? |
| 16:55.08 | sledges | right, and incorporate a linker script? ;) |
| 16:56.41 | T0mW | I've built a ARM board that used newlib with the stubs. Then I wrote the various functions that the stubs needed (e.g. settimeofday.o, open_r.o, sbrk_r.o, etc.). |
| 16:57.50 | T0mW | is looking to see how he linked those in |
| 16:58.03 | T0mW | ah |
| 16:58.30 | T0mW | I then put all those object files for the stub functions into an archive which I called libstdc.a |
| 16:59.14 | T0mW | Since I needed to control the memory layout, where RAM was and where the ROM was on my board, I wrote a linker script to describe the memory layout. |
| 16:59.46 | T0mW | In that script, unfortunately, you also have to specify the sequence that all the sections are to be linked. |
| 17:00.00 | T0mW | however, you, in your case, may not have to do that. |
| 17:00.38 | sledges | you just gave me an answer indirectly |
| 17:00.45 | chouimat|busy | T0mW: a computer unrelated project ... |
| 17:00.52 | T0mW | In my case, since I was overriding the automagic gcc linking of files with a script, I had to use the INPUT directive to name all the libs. |
| 17:00.56 | sledges | i renamed my custom libc.a into libcustomc.a and linked with -lcustomc |
| 17:01.03 | T0mW | sledges: excellent |
| 17:01.09 | T0mW | name collision |
| 17:01.25 | sledges | :) yea, no intrinsic merging tricks by ld, bravo GNU ;) |
| 17:01.51 | T0mW | sledges: sometimes you just have to ask the question and then the answer hits you when you hit "send" |
| 17:02.02 | T0mW | :P |
| 17:02.33 | sledges | yea, would like that :) |
| 17:06.57 | sledges | bye and thanks T0mW ! |
| 17:07.00 | sledges | and all ;) |
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