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| 13:32.19 | sassan | hi, I'm trying to use prelink-cross when building a rootfs image. it gives me lots of errors like: "prelink: /mnt/nfs/usr/bin/nano: Using /lib/ld-linux.so.3, not /mnt/nfs/lib/ld-linux.so.3 as dynamic linker" and using -p shows only a handful of non-executable files with "(not prelinkable)", no mention of the actual files i wanted. the target files are not modified. any idea on how to make it work correctly? |
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| 16:19.33 | prpplague | wmat: man i have got to get my ELC paper in today |
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| 16:45.11 | wmat | prpplague: make it so ;) |
| 16:46.06 | prpplague | wmat: going to submit a variation of what i presented at ELC-EU , less focus on hardware, more on the utilities |
| 16:46.37 | prpplague | wmat: sounds like the LF folks are going to scrutinize the proposals more heavily that the CELF did in the past |
| 16:47.33 | wmat | prpplague: oh really, I hadn't heard that. I know Tim B. had asked for volunteers on celinux-dev to help review proposals. |
| 16:47.56 | prpplague | wmat: the specs for proposals was alot more detailed than in the past |
| 16:48.04 | wmat | ah |
| 16:48.41 | wmat | well, I'm not entirely surprised, as LF is more 'organized' for lack of a better term |
| 16:50.15 | prpplague | 1. Provide a 150 word biography including your speaking experience |
| 16:50.15 | prpplague | 2. Prepare a 150 word abstract that briefly summarizes your proposal. It should be split into two paragraphs: |
| 16:50.15 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.15 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.10 | wmat | sounds like that could be an exercise in creative writing for many ;) |
| 16:52.14 | prpplague | wmat: indeed |
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| 17:02.00 | prpplague | landley: greeigns |
| 17:02.17 | landley | Morning. How goes? |
| 17:02.27 | landley | Yes, I know my websites is down. |
| 17:02.30 | landley | Researching hosting options. |
| 17:03.06 | prpplague | landley: it goes |
| 17:05.18 | landley | Eric Raymond and I kind of had a falling out. I got tired of him telling me about how global warming isn't really happening, the guy who shot people in arizona was secretly a liberal, how guns are the answer to everything, muslims are evil, people from cold climates are smarter than people form warm climates... |
| 17:06.00 | kergoth | yikes. |
| 17:06.21 | landley | How the guy who made death threats against women on sourceforge (that was _all_ he did, the "software" he posted was things like quake reskinned so you were shooting women) shouldn't have had his account suspended because that's censorship and censorship is an absolute evil in all cases halelujiah amen end of discussion... |
| 17:06.41 | landley | I got tired of it. I called him on it. We're no longer speaking, and he deleted my website off his server. |
| 17:06.57 | landley | Which is entirely his right, but in wake of the sourceforge censorship argument I'm kind of amused by that. :) |
| 17:07.47 | landley | So anyway: thinking of going with hostgator, since they have billboards all over austin with the text "Know Linux? We're Hiring!" which seems like a general good sign... |
| 17:08.11 | landley | They have a really cheap hosting plan too with unlimited bandwidth, but I don't think that lets me do a mercurial server... |
| 17:09.09 | MonMotha | landley: prgmr.com has really cheap VPSes if you want to go that route |
| 17:09.14 | MonMotha | can do anything you want, that way |
| 17:09.16 | landley | So that's the news here. Still struggling with NFS, writing some documentation, the usual. How goes with you? |
| 17:09.20 | landley | Hmmm... |
| 17:09.37 | MonMotha | and they "don't assume you are stupid" |
| 17:09.53 | MonMotha | (I have not used them, though I've been meaning to get an account) |
| 17:10.28 | landley | The disk and bandwidth caps are a bit steep on the cheap plans. |
| 17:10.59 | landley | (No idea how much I'd use, actually. Im parking the toolchain binaries on my kernel.org page for the moment, on the theory that they probably won't mind and OSUOSL provides huge amounts of bandwidth. |
| 17:11.35 | MonMotha | landley: I think that's because they're cheap :) There's also slicehost. They give you more bandwidth for the same RAM allotment, but they're also a lot more expensive. |
| 17:11.52 | MonMotha | you may also be able to find someone with a VPS or colo'd server that can give you a shell |
| 17:12.13 | landley | I've been borrowing other people's servers for years. That's why both impactlinux.com and now landley.net went down. |
| 17:12.22 | landley | Gonna bit the bullet and arrange for my own darn hosting space. :) |
| 17:12.27 | landley | s/bit/bite/ |
| 17:12.31 | landley | purl: quit it. |
| 17:13.23 | MonMotha | landley, ah, they a VPS seems like a great idea if you want to host stuff like Hg |
| 17:13.27 | MonMotha | erm then |
| 17:13.33 | landley | When they say 64 megs of ram... is that a linux container where the kernel's already booted? Or is that "you boot your system in a kvm with -m 64"? |
| 17:13.38 | landley | Which is a bit of a difference... |
| 17:13.58 | MonMotha | I think that's "the whole instance has 64MB of RAM" |
| 17:14.10 | MonMotha | The 64MB one is pretty minimal. I'm surprised they offer it at all |
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| 17:14.47 | MonMotha | I was planning to get a 256 or 512 for me and a few others. The paid-ahead discount makes it very reasonable |
| 17:14.56 | landley | It is the best VPS price I've seen, but I think _not_ having to administer my own server has a certain amount of appeal too... |
| 17:15.11 | MonMotha | well, yeah, there's something to be said for that |
| 17:15.46 | MonMotha | I think that most conventional shared host options will limit you to web server/database, though |
| 17:15.54 | landley | I remember when Morris got cracked because neither Erik Andersen, myself, Denys Vlasenko, or anybody from the uclibc or buildroot sides had really been _administering_ it for quite some time. |
| 17:15.55 | MonMotha | kinda rare to find shared hosts that offer a full shell, these days |
| 17:16.19 | landley | Mirell said that dreamhost does. |
| 17:16.30 | MonMotha | hum, I'll have to check into that |
| 17:17.02 | landley | I'm working on the linux containers stuff which lets you do shared hosts with full shell via a chroot-on-steroids approach. |
| 17:17.28 | landley | (It's basically an openvz variant in the vanilla kernel, except based around clone flags and the cgroup filesystem instead of new system calls to control the chroot.) |
| 17:19.39 | MonMotha | looks like dreamhost probably just gives you (the account holder) a certain number of user accounts and your own group. Do what you will with it |
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| 17:57.42 | Mirell | landley: I note that the Impact Linux Mercurial page was done on Dreamhost. |
| 17:57.58 | landley | Mirell: it was quite nice. |
| 17:58.04 | Mirell | $10/month. |
| 17:58.07 | landley | And it supported hg. Hmmm... |
| 17:58.14 | landley | Mirell: you got a special deal though. |
| 17:58.23 | Mirell | Only for SSL. |
| 17:58.31 | Mirell | Everything else is standard. |
| 18:02.00 | landley | Mirell: how does one get a DNS registrar transfer authorization code? |
| 18:02.09 | Mirell | Uh. What? |
| 18:02.33 | Mirell | You mean a Domain Registrar? |
| 18:03.04 | landley | For transferring landley.net (which is currently still using Eric's DNS, he forgot to remove that), it says "Transfer Authorization Code:" on the dreamhost signup page. |
| 18:03.41 | Mirell | Right. You'd go to your current Domain Registrar to get that. |
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| 18:12.20 | landley | Mirell: it is ironic that username "landley" is already taken by another customer. :) |
| 18:12.30 | chouimat | morning |
| 18:13.58 | prpplague | landley: "the user name landley is already being used please choose another, one landley is more than enough" |
| 18:14.14 | prpplague | jokes with landley |
| 18:15.35 | landley | Yeah, but I'm pretty sure that one is from when i was borrowing Mirell's account for impactlinux. :) |
| 18:15.47 | landley | Mirell: any way you can remove that one so I can grab the name? |
| 18:29.24 | Mirell | landley: I can transfer it to you. |
| 18:29.35 | Mirell | Oh, the username. |
| 18:29.36 | Mirell | Right, hold on. |
| 18:30.06 | landley | Mirell: darn it, it says I'm responsible for changing my dns servers to point to ns1.dreamhost.com, ns2.dreamhost.com, ms3.dreamhost.com. |
| 18:30.12 | landley | Except I gave them a domain transfer code...? |
| 18:30.48 | Mirell | Did they send an e-mail about the domain transfer? |
| 18:31.12 | Mirell | Hmm. I never set up a 'landley' user. |
| 18:31.23 | Mirell | It was just 'impact'. |
| 18:31.46 | landley | No idea where they got one, but oh well. (I do have a father and a brother...) |
| 18:32.05 | landley | The name originated during world war I, but that doesn't mean there's a nonzero number of us. :) |
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| 18:57.10 | landley | mirell: hmmm, as long as I've got real hosting could you transfer over the impactlinux.com domain so I can point it to the same directory as landley.net? (Once I get actual files on the server, anyway...) |
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| 19:21.01 | Mirell | Yes. |
| 19:32.23 | landley | Woot. It's going to take hours and hours for everything to upload again (14 gigabytes, yay unlimited storage), so there's no rush on that. I'm about to wander off-computer for a few hours and leave this thing grinding along doing its thing. |
| 19:32.26 | landley | Mirell: thanks. |
| 19:33.35 | ohsix | ESR is one nutty guy; good on you |
| 19:33.58 | landley | ohsix: He was my friend for many years. |
| 19:34.15 | ohsix | as i imagine, many people's friend |
| 19:34.26 | landley | When I first met him (1999?) he was worried that as he got older he'd get less flexible and he'd wind up turning into Richard Stallman. |
| 19:34.47 | ohsix | he'd been progressively going down the rabbit hole since 2001 |
| 19:35.05 | landley | Unfortunately, he went in a different direction. He's about 10 years away from becoming Rush Limbaugh, which is about a further 10 years from becomign Glenn Beck. |
| 19:35.11 | landley | Yeah, I know. |
| 19:35.29 | wmat | landley: haven't you seen RMS folk dance, he's pretty flexible ;/ |
| 19:35.47 | ohsix | rms knows when to make fun of himself |
| 19:35.49 | landley | At first it was just "avoid the topic of gun control". Then it was libertarianism. Then it kept growing... |
| 19:36.11 | landley | So does eric. But professionally, RMS has been his own worst enemy since about 1998. |
| 19:36.45 | landley | RMS is the kind of advocate where if you agree with 95% of what he has to say, the other 5% is all he wants to talk about and he WILL NOT SHUT UP. |
| 19:36.56 | landley | The closer he gets to success, the more he alienates his own allies. |
| 19:36.59 | ohsix | once you snap, easy solutions and black and white thinking are the way things fly |
| 19:37.07 | landley | Yup. |
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| 19:39.59 | landley | ohsix: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1310 |
| 19:40.05 | landley | Black and white, all the way. |
| 19:41.26 | landley | Sourceforge, enforcing their terms of service, was a free speech issue that Eric was willing to defend to the point where he as going to mirror the guy's files on his own site. Sigh... |
| 19:41.44 | landley | (He describes himself as a "free speech absolutist". I'm not sure I'm an anything absolutist...) |
| 19:42.04 | landley | Gotta run errands, back in a bit... |
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| 19:43.54 | ohsix | you were probably more of a friend than he knew for holding out for so long |
| 19:43.54 | prpplague | wmat: ping |
| 19:44.00 | prpplague | wmat: elinux.org issue |
| 19:44.57 | ohsix | landley: free speech is always conflated with a bunch of other things in peoples head :\ |
| 19:45.45 | ohsix | you might even say the "stated policy" of irl "free speech" is to not include yelling fire in a theatre |
| 19:47.07 | ohsix | i bet he has some interesting things to say about political correctness every time he voices something bigoted too :] |
| 19:48.55 | wmat | prpplague: pong |
| 19:49.06 | Mirell | Hmm. |
| 19:49.23 | prpplague | wmat: i just tried to upload an image to a new page |
| 19:49.36 | prpplague | wmat: i get a warning that says i need to be logged in to upload |
| 19:49.40 | prpplague | wmat: but i am logged in |
| 19:49.45 | prpplague | wmat: tried several times |
| 19:49.49 | Mirell | Honestly, I've more or less just ignored anything landley/ESR/RMS/others rant about, since it is too much trouble, and my life is really not lacking for not paying attention. |
| 19:50.29 | wmat | prpplague: I've noticed that as well. Try uploading using the left nav link. |
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| 19:52.51 | wmat | prpplague: I've been trying to figure that bug out, but haven't had much time to work on it. |
| 19:53.42 | ohsix | wow landley; i'm kind of mad i started reading things |
| 19:54.08 | ohsix | he mentions skokie and bigoted threats of violence, then goes on to say he'd "gleefully" shoot the guy if he made those same threats in his presence |
| 19:54.15 | ohsix | isn't that a grave contradiction? |
| 19:54.34 | wmat | prpplague: how did you try to upload when it failed? |
| 19:55.42 | prpplague | wmat: edited the page, added a [[image:billy-bob.jpg]] , saved the page, then clicked on the text of the page |
| 19:56.03 | ohsix | and if he's going to flog "rational" arguments he really needs to ditch the slippery slope ones |
| 19:57.03 | wmat | prpplague: thx, that's how I see it triggered too |
| 20:10.42 | MonMotha | ok, I'm sure there's a way to do this. Suppose I need to dump something into a character device from a shell (e.g. using a redirect) AND simultaneously read from that character device but I can only open it once. How would I go about doing that? |
| 20:11.03 | MonMotha | obviously I can write a little program to open it O_RDWR and deal with it, but I'd like to just do it from a shell |
| 20:12.09 | prpplague | MonMotha: i think that might be able to be done with a fifo , but my first choice would be a c app |
| 20:12.25 | MonMotha | prpplague: well, then, C app it is :) |
| 20:22.42 | prpplague | MonMotha: i have a little uart loopback c app you could use as a base if you need something quick |
| 20:23.04 | prpplague | MonMotha: http://www.elinux.org/images/b/b7/Uart-loopback.c |
| 20:23.11 | MonMotha | prpplague: well, I need to basically test for the presence of an external loopback on a UART |
| 20:23.42 | prpplague | MonMotha: ha |
| 20:24.08 | prpplague | MonMotha: so you want to write to the uart and see if you get the same data back? |
| 20:24.21 | MonMotha | this device happens to have a "RS-485 2 wire mode" switch. In effect, it connects the RS-422 receive pair to the RS-422 transmit pair. |
| 20:24.22 | MonMotha | yup |
| 20:24.38 | prpplague | MonMotha: have a look at my code |
| 20:24.46 | MonMotha | if that switch is enabled, I should see everything I send (assuming I leave both the receiver and the transmitter on). If it's disabled, I should see nothing |
| 20:24.49 | MonMotha | hum..actually |
| 20:24.51 | prpplague | MonMotha: i never got around to setting up the tty flags in the code |
| 20:25.02 | prpplague | MonMotha: i used stty before hand in the script |
| 20:25.11 | MonMotha | I may be able to do that with two processes as long as they open it read-only and write-only |
| 20:25.18 | MonMotha | I think I may not have the transmitter and receiver turned on |
| 20:26.13 | MonMotha | hum, nope, guess not |
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| 20:34.55 | MonMotha | prpplague, hum, that's not working on either of my serial ports |
| 20:35.04 | MonMotha | apparently the select times out |
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| 20:58.48 | MonMotha | d'oh. Kernel wasn't muxing the IOs correctly |
| 21:05.56 | ohsix | landley: egads' he sure likes to use the word rape a lot |
| 21:06.50 | MonMotha | ohsix: well, when you buy it in 40lb boxes... |
| 21:07.12 | MonMotha | (I'm sorry, that's distasteful) |
| 21:07.14 | ohsix | :D |
| 21:07.29 | ohsix | i bet he buys ammo in 40lb boxes too |
| 21:08.06 | ohsix | i think he really identified with that mikee guy, regardless of all his effusiveness, it's pretty sick |
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