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| 00:55.38 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
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| 01:08.28 | prpplague | kergoth: hey bud |
| 01:09.22 | kergoth | hey |
| 01:16.57 | Mirell | 'sup prpplague |
| 01:17.00 | Mirell | Still not dead? |
| 01:17.34 | prpplague | Mirell: not yet |
| 01:17.42 | prpplague | Mirell: pretty depressed but not dead |
| 01:17.51 | Mirell | What's up? |
| 01:19.20 | prpplague | Mirell: just fighting the blues so to speak |
| 01:20.07 | Mirell | Ah |
| 01:20.14 | Mirell | Didn't know if contract work had dried up or not |
| 01:20.23 | prpplague | Mirell: naw, plenty of work |
| 01:20.40 | Mirell | That's at least good |
| 01:20.51 | prpplague | has battled depression on and off since teenage years |
| 01:20.56 | Mirell | Meds! |
| 01:21.11 | Mirell | And not drinking. |
| 01:21.22 | prpplague | yea |
| 01:23.08 | Mirell | Sunlight, too. |
| 01:23.29 | Mirell | I opened all the blinds in my apartment the other day. So sunny, felt awesome. Cats appreciated it too. |
| 01:24.03 | prpplague | yea |
| 01:24.24 | prpplague | Mirell: i usually get it bad after i finish a major project push |
| 01:24.24 | Mirell | Ahh |
| 01:24.25 | prpplague | Mirell: i call it project depression |
| 01:24.37 | Mirell | It's because you figured out the hard part, and there's no puzzle anymore? |
| 01:25.05 | prpplague | Mirell: yea, plus going from 110% to about 50% in the space a few days |
| 01:25.20 | Mirell | That's why I never work too hard. |
| 01:25.36 | prpplague | Mirell: the completion of the pandaboard, i'm kind of in limbo until the make some final decision on next gen |
| 01:27.07 | Mirell | BambooBoard |
| 01:27.19 | prpplague | omap5 |
| 01:27.26 | Mirell | OSNAP5? |
| 01:27.34 | Mirell | SLMJM |
| 01:28.01 | prpplague | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/TI-OMAP-5-OMAP5430-and-OMAP-5432/ |
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| 01:44.56 | prpplague | Mirell: how are things going with your job down in austin? |
| 01:45.06 | prpplague | landley: get your site moved? |
| 01:45.26 | prpplague | kergoth: MG treating you well? |
| 01:45.54 | prpplague | btw if anyone on the channel is looking for linux driver work in dfw area, /msg me |
| 01:48.06 | Mirell | prpplague: It's easy going, pays pretty good |
| 01:48.25 | Mirell | prpplague: Thank goodness it's contract. I'd be bored to tears if this was my full-time job. |
| 02:35.29 | sjhill | *sigh* |
| 02:35.40 | prpplague | sjhill: double that |
| 02:35.45 | sjhill | it's so quiet now that the boys are in bed |
| 02:35.54 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe |
| 02:36.06 | prpplague | sjhill: those critters grow on you |
| 02:36.52 | sjhill | they sure do....like a cancer going into remission and then relapsing almost on a daily basis |
| 02:37.10 | prpplague | watches documentary on his wife's ancestry |
| 02:37.13 | prpplague | http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/educational_and_howto/watch/v1835859553zDf2sP |
| 02:37.21 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe |
| 02:37.54 | prpplague | sjhill: i call my my kids "love tumors" hehe |
| 02:39.46 | sjhill | heh |
| 02:40.07 | sjhill | i'm letting that load |
| 02:40.14 | sjhill | is that you doing the documentary? :P |
| 02:40.41 | prpplague | hehe naw |
| 02:41.30 | sjhill | What's the blaze board? |
| 02:42.29 | prpplague | sjhill: the "official" omap4430 dev platform |
| 02:42.55 | prpplague | http://omapedia.org/wiki/OMAP4_Blaze |
| 02:43.06 | prpplague | don't be fooled by the picture |
| 02:43.10 | prpplague | it is huge |
| 02:43.15 | prpplague | and the price tags matches |
| 02:43.58 | sjhill | bah, i'll get jay to send me one |
| 02:44.04 | sjhill | no, not really |
| 02:44.39 | prpplague | why do you need one? |
| 02:44.47 | prpplague | they want you to do some blaze stuff? |
| 02:45.01 | sjhill | no, i was just kidding |
| 02:45.41 | SpeedEvil | On an unrelated matter. Nokia (et al) displays are readily available inexpensively at $?. Does anyone know of a similar class of display that's designed for viewfinder use - maybe 320*240 tops - half that would be fine (160*120) and a few mm across? Ideally also cheap. |
| 02:46.25 | sjhill | go buy a bunch of old color Palms, they're a dime a dozen these days |
| 02:46.36 | sjhill | shoot, somebody might pay you to take them |
| 02:47.09 | SpeedEvil | few mm across only. |
| 02:47.31 | SpeedEvil | I'm wondering about a teeny 'PDA' - but not - based on stm32 in a stupidly small package. |
| 02:47.44 | sjhill | missed the mm across thingee |
| 02:48.03 | sjhill | are you doing that mini ipod thingee on hackaday? |
| 02:48.07 | SpeedEvil | Somewhere in the region of 1cm diameter, 5cm long. |
| 02:48.12 | SpeedEvil | naah |
| 02:48.43 | sjhill | fascinating |
| 02:49.03 | SpeedEvil | Powered from 1AAA, with a 1W LED too. |
| 02:49.16 | SpeedEvil | Basically, torch + authentication system. |
| 02:51.24 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 02:51.33 | prpplague | looks for a wmv code for linux |
| 03:01.23 | MonMotha | SpeedEvil: that hefty of a backlight on that small of a device seems like a pretty niche device |
| 03:07.27 | SpeedEvil | MonMotha: not backlight - seperate torch. :) |
| 03:07.46 | MonMotha | oh, well, that's no big deal. The Luxeon Rebels are pretty readily available at this point. |
| 03:07.58 | MonMotha | and all sorts of crazy bright |
| 03:09.10 | SpeedEvil | cree's devices are pretty awesome troo - more awersome unless philips have done more. |
| 03:10.30 | prpplague | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=bridgetown,+barbados+st.nicolas+abbey&aq=&sll=13.098938,-59.613352&sspn=0.152147,0.308647&g=bridgetown,+barbados&ie=UTF8&hq=st.nicolas+abbey&hnear=Bridgetown,+St+Michael,+Barbados&ll=13.191464,-59.49356&spn=0.001188,0.002411&t=h&z=19 |
| 03:10.39 | MonMotha | the rebels are actually good to about 3W, but you can probably drive them with just 1W |
| 03:10.47 | prpplague | my father in laws banna and plantain fields |
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| 03:16.16 | MonMotha | gah, now I'm tempted to put a blue rebel on my board for the "obnoxiously bright blue LED" that every device is apparently required to have, now |
| 03:16.29 | prpplague | hehe |
| 03:16.33 | ohsix | thats a lot of blue |
| 03:17.10 | ohsix | i had some xr ones in royal blue that'd give you an unsettling feeling looking at it given its hue and brightness |
| 03:29.52 | MonMotha | I did an IO board a few years back that I chucked a blue LED on (simply because everything's gotta have one). The schematic comment actually said "Obnoxiously bright blue LED." It's stuck :) |
| 03:30.27 | MonMotha | When I was first testing that board, I didn't have firmware running on it, so I just jumpered the LED into the "ON" state. Of course, I was just poking at the PCB with a wire, so I was looking right at the thing. Yeah, I didn't make that mistake again... |
| 03:30.51 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/PandaBoard-lvds |
| 03:31.24 | prpplague | oops |
| 03:31.27 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/PandaBoard_lvds |
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| 03:39.01 | MonMotha | I take it the Pandaboard has obnoxiously bright blue LEDs? |
| 03:39.13 | sjhill | MonMotha: no |
| 03:39.46 | ohsix | really obnoxious is pricey |
| 03:39.49 | MonMotha | where's the blue light in the picture from? |
| 03:40.04 | MonMotha | and is that a locked box? |
| 03:40.50 | prpplague | MonMotha: no, its a acrylic camera box from frys |
| 03:41.05 | prpplague | MonMotha: and i installed some LEDs under the pcb |
| 03:41.19 | MonMotha | gotcha |
| 03:41.24 | MonMotha | looks like it has a big ol lock on it |
| 03:42.12 | ohsix | cree actually wouldn't stop sending me samples, i had to close my ups account |
| 03:43.01 | prpplague | looks |
| 03:43.19 | prpplague | MonMotha: where do you see a lock? |
| 03:43.39 | MonMotha | front center. looks like one of those round key locks |
| 03:44.08 | prpplague | MonMotha: its a pressure valve for the camera |
| 03:44.14 | MonMotha | ah, ok |
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| 03:47.01 | MonMotha | that CPU has the same core as the DaVinci line, right? |
| 03:47.25 | prpplague | MonMotha: no |
| 03:47.32 | prpplague | MonMotha: davinci is arm9 |
| 03:47.38 | prpplague | MonMotha: panda is cortex-a9 |
| 03:47.44 | MonMotha | oh, they haven't bumped it to A8/A9? |
| 03:47.45 | prpplague | MonMotha: two cores |
| 03:48.02 | prpplague | MonMotha: no davinci is still arm9 |
| 03:48.23 | MonMotha | hum, ok |
| 03:48.32 | MonMotha | I thought they were going to bump it to A8 or A9 |
| 03:48.39 | MonMotha | (and maybe they arE) |
| 03:48.56 | MonMotha | I hear about things from so many angles that sometimes I can't keep them straight :) |
| 03:49.09 | prpplague | MonMotha: indeed |
| 03:49.30 | prpplague | MonMotha: i;m not in the davinci division so all i know is from the press releases and such |
| 03:49.50 | MonMotha | OMAP is non-catalog, right? |
| 03:50.01 | prpplague | omap3 series is |
| 03:50.07 | prpplague | not omap4 currently |
| 03:50.17 | prpplague | that will change eventua |
| 03:50.33 | prpplague | omap3 wasn't initially available catalog either |
| 03:50.34 | MonMotha | I know the catalog guys and non-catalog guys at TI don't really talk much, and then there's stuff floating around that is darn near "we made this for one company and never mention it otherwise" |
| 03:50.47 | MonMotha | ok |
| 03:50.57 | MonMotha | not that I know any CMs that can do POP assembly, anyway |
| 03:51.26 | prpplague | is working for the non-catalog folks |
| 03:51.45 | MonMotha | heh, that would explain why you don't run into the davinci stuff much. It's catalog :) |
| 03:51.56 | prpplague | indeed' |
| 03:52.57 | MonMotha | Marvell has a lot of that sort of thing going on, too |
| 03:53.06 | MonMotha | even my Marvell rep has trouble keeping everything straight, sometimes |
| 03:56.37 | prpplague | MonMotha: btw, if you want some work in dfw, there a ton of jobs open |
| 03:56.54 | MonMotha | yeah...I'm nowhere near dfw, unfortunately |
| 03:57.13 | prpplague | MonMotha: i was offered a full time job today |
| 03:57.24 | prpplague | MonMotha: board bringup and kernel driver dev |
| 03:57.29 | MonMotha | not bad |
| 03:57.46 | prpplague | MonMotha: $118k salary |
| 03:57.52 | MonMotha | shit... |
| 03:58.03 | MonMotha | that's um...a lot more than I've made |
| 03:58.23 | prpplague | they are hurtin for devrs |
| 03:58.32 | MonMotha | and my recollection is that CoL is similar to here |
| 03:58.45 | prpplague | its pretty low |
| 04:00.18 | MonMotha | I'm guessing they're not willing to do any form of telecommute, though |
| 04:00.26 | MonMotha | I can't say I'm too keen on moving to texas |
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| 04:02.01 | prpplague | MonMotha: hehe not for the job today |
| 04:08.16 | a7r | hey |
| 04:08.31 | prpplague | ho |
| 04:08.35 | a7r | what's up? |
| 04:09.15 | prpplague | taxes, cholestral, blood pressure, stress |
| 04:09.32 | prpplague | no viagra, so....... |
| 04:09.56 | prpplague | makes racy joke |
| 04:10.50 | prpplague | a7r: and you? |
| 04:12.35 | a7r | prpplague: haha, invoicing, and debugging PXA27x power management |
| 04:12.50 | prpplague | has nightmares about pxa |
| 04:13.00 | sjhill | and with that i'll drop off |
| 04:13.16 | sjhill | runs away screaming "pxa, ah he** no" |
| 04:13.38 | prpplague | make it stop make it stop make it stop |
| 04:13.43 | prpplague | nooooo pxa |
| 04:13.59 | a7r | prpplague: yah, I got a patch from someone that "works", but it's like they backported shit from a more recent kernel, tweaked some random registers, and did some changes in functions that aren't even called. |
| 04:14.06 | a7r | none of it documented |
| 04:14.10 | a7r | and the person doesn't know why it works |
| 04:14.26 | prpplague | a7r: indeed, i did some bootloader work on pxa310, what a nightmare |
| 04:15.08 | a7r | the person also believes that something was happening that required this added patch they got from someone else, but I've tested, and this added patch doesn't appear to impact anything. |
| 04:15.20 | MonMotha | a7r: that seems par for the course amongst typical "embedded" developers who haven't been doing "large embedded systems" for either their entire career or a "very long time" |
| 04:15.22 | prpplague | lovely |
| 04:15.38 | MonMotha | especially the lack of documentation |
| 04:15.55 | a7r | MonMotha: yah, this isn't 8051 development from the 80s.. none of these changes are good enough to push upstream |
| 04:15.55 | MonMotha | ...and spaghetti code |
| 04:16.05 | a7r | so I'm scratching my head. |
| 04:16.32 | a7r | also there's an FPGA that sits on the same bus as RAM, that is turned off during suspend, so I'm wondering if it's breaking something. |
| 04:17.36 | MonMotha | I found a "driver" for the Davinci GPIO stuff that relied on about 4 kernel modules each of which registered an entire char-major (and didn't register any minors properly, so udev wouldn't create them), and then abused read/write to re-create ioctl...poorly |
| 04:17.41 | MonMotha | yeah, I didn't use it |
| 04:17.48 | a7r | haha |
| 04:18.20 | MonMotha | I'm working in an interesting situation. Linux boots on this device, but I don't have the source to the kernel that it's running |
| 04:18.30 | a7r | that sucks, what is it? |
| 04:18.46 | MonMotha | and it doesn't set up a lot of things quite right, so I'm having to just bang on registers (mostly GPIO and PINMUX stuff) from userspace |
| 04:18.50 | MonMotha | it's a board that's in development |
| 04:19.07 | MonMotha | I just haven't been able to coax the kernel source out of the people doing the software for it. I'm just writing functional tests. |
| 04:19.19 | a7r | hah, do you at least have schematics? |
| 04:19.28 | MonMotha | I suspect they're just running the kernel on it that they run on the reference design it's based on |
| 04:19.33 | MonMotha | yes, I do at least have schematics |
| 04:19.48 | MonMotha | and I can build kernel modules that load against it |
| 04:19.50 | a7r | that's nice.. I worked on the firmware for a board, where the head EE refused to give the QA and service guys schematics. |
| 04:20.00 | a7r | because "they don't need them" |
| 04:20.07 | MonMotha | um...yeah. That makes things harder |
| 04:20.17 | MonMotha | I hope the other docs were good. |
| 04:20.21 | a7r | so I ended up smuggling them copies of the schematics anyway, but I know how that goes. |
| 04:20.38 | a7r | nah, they were shit.. why is why they were bitching about not having the schematics. |
| 04:20.47 | MonMotha | ah |
| 04:21.01 | MonMotha | yeah, you need to know what GPIOs do what, which UART is hooked up to what, chip selects, etc. |
| 04:21.26 | MonMotha | and the inevitable "oh, I swapped around some address lines because it made the layout nicer" type things |
| 04:22.23 | a7r | yah,. I'm noticing on this project the exact opposite. the hardware guys are amazingly good, and the kernel hackers are really not. |
| 04:22.33 | MonMotha | certainly happens |
| 04:22.58 | MonMotha | I'm actually more fond of hardware dev. I mostly do software because modern hardware doesn't really "go" without software, and it seems to be that the software is 80% of the project load |
| 04:23.07 | a7r | that's true. |
| 04:23.11 | MonMotha | I at least like to think my hardware is good :) |
| 04:23.28 | a7r | I enjoy small amounts of hardware dev, but I'm not very experienced at it. |
| 04:23.59 | MonMotha | I could probably piece together something as complex as a pandaboard or even worse. It would take a while, but, well it's complicated :) |
| 04:24.07 | MonMotha | probably 2-3 revs, assuming no spec changes |
| 04:24.13 | a7r | yah, same.. it would just take a lot of time. |
| 04:24.36 | a7r | I've done some circuit design that went into production, and a bit of PCB design work. |
| 04:24.57 | a7r | but all of it has been < 50 MHz, with pretty tolerant parts, no BGAs |
| 04:24.58 | MonMotha | It depends on if you need me to do layout or not. Circuit/schematic entry I'm pretty quick with (the library management takes longer), but I'm not fast with PCB layout. My layouts WORK, however... |
| 04:26.12 | MonMotha | my layouts are usually pretty, too, and with a minimum of layers |
| 04:26.20 | a7r | cool |
| 04:26.24 | MonMotha | when I'm doing stuff for my own gits and shiggles, I usually want to cram it onto 2 layers |
| 04:26.33 | MonMotha | may not pass FCC, but it'll work, and it's a cheap board |
| 04:27.09 | MonMotha | with BGAs, I'm usually constrained by how many layers it takes to fan out the BGA |
| 04:27.26 | a7r | yah, if I can't solder a part by hand in my lab, I don't usually use them for anything. |
| 04:28.05 | MonMotha | I try to avoid BGAs, LGAs, and QFNs. Just about anything else is fair game. I'm good down to 0402 passives and 0.5mm QFP. |
| 04:28.23 | MonMotha | basically, if it has leads, I can solder it |
| 04:28.26 | a7r | yup |
| 04:28.27 | a7r | same. |
| 04:28.41 | MonMotha | QFNs are hit or miss. I'm getting better. |
| 04:28.48 | MonMotha | BGAs of course require a stencil and reflow.l |
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| 05:19.34 | prpplague | wing0: greetings |
| 05:31.10 | a7r | invoicing done. |
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| 05:53.15 | landley | prpplague: site is moving as we speak, it just takes a while to upload 14 megs and for DNS changes to propagate. |
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| 17:15.07 | sjhill | buildroot, openembedded, angstrom, uclinux...any other build systems for embedded you would include? |
| 17:15.35 | prpplague | *cough* yocto |
| 17:15.56 | kergoth_ | angstrom isn't a buildsystem |
| 17:15.58 | prpplague | and techincally probably poky |
| 17:16.00 | kergoth_ | its a distro that's in OE |
| 17:16.07 | kergoth_ | and no, yocto isn't a separate buildsystem from poky |
| 17:16.14 | kergoth_ | yocto is an umbrella project which *includes* poky |
| 17:16.47 | prpplague | kergoth_: ahh good points |
| 17:16.59 | prpplague | hasn't even looked at yocto |
| 17:17.08 | kergoth_ | sjhill: depends on how thorough you want to be :) |
| 17:17.17 | prpplague | not since dirk ambused the TI teams at ELC-EU |
| 17:17.22 | sjhill | just popular ones |
| 17:17.28 | kergoth_ | attended a yocto summit with a number of representatives from a variety of companies in sf |
| 17:18.19 | kergoth_ | well, there's scratchbox, but i don't know how popular it is nowadays, it doesn't seem to be used all that much anymore. there's landley's aboriginal linux, but that's more a development tool than anything else |
| 17:18.23 | kergoth_ | ponders |
| 17:18.36 | kergoth_ | quite likes e2factory conceptually, but don't think its used much either |
| 17:19.38 | sjhill | poky looks interesting |
| 17:19.51 | sjhill | that'll do...needed some new things to look at |
| 17:20.11 | prpplague | sjhill: poky had great potential until intel purchased openhand |
| 17:20.16 | kergoth_ | poky is OE based, also uses bitbake, not sure if its good to list on its own or not. |
| 17:20.31 | kergoth_ | prpplague: FYI, OE is basically going to be based on poky, just not in name.. |
| 17:20.38 | kergoth_ | so i'd say its pretty damn solid |
| 17:21.00 | kergoth_ | poky uses a pull model nowadays, so it tends toward more stability than OE, its a minimal subset, a more focused core |
| 17:21.07 | prpplague | kergoth_: so you are merging back the poky stuff into OE? |
| 17:21.10 | kergoth_ | no |
| 17:21.22 | kergoth_ | poky becomes the core metadata of OE |
| 17:21.27 | kergoth_ | OE is layers built upon poky |
| 17:21.35 | prpplague | kergoth_: ahh |
| 17:21.35 | kergoth_ | though it'll be named oe-core or somesuch |
| 17:21.53 | kergoth_ | also, the architect / owner of poky is no longer employed by intel |
| 17:22.00 | kergoth_ | he's LF |
| 17:22.09 | kergoth_ | so i woudln't worry too much about intel controlling it |
| 17:22.19 | prpplague | kergoth_: yea, i've talked to mallum about it |
| 17:22.22 | kergoth_ | particularly since many companies will likely have members on the yocto steering committee |
| 17:22.55 | prpplague | kergoth_: yea, i dont think TI is going to be involved too much |
| 17:23.23 | kergoth_ | they aren't? |
| 17:23.28 | kergoth_ | koen works for TI |
| 17:23.40 | kergoth_ | and he's heading up the work on the meta-openembedded and meta-angstrom layers |
| 17:23.44 | kergoth_ | and he maintains angstrom |
| 17:23.48 | kergoth_ | so it really depends on how you look at it.. |
| 17:24.21 | kergoth_ | doesn't know who's going to end up officially members, company wise, though |
| 17:25.45 | wmat | prpplague: so what ended up being mallum's reason for leaving intel? |
| 17:26.21 | kergoth_ | hmm, i thought it was koen, anyway, but i know there's at least a couple ti folk involved |
| 17:26.24 | kergoth_ | checks |
| 17:26.46 | kergoth_ | right, he is at ti, thought so |
| 17:26.49 | kergoth_ | ponders |
| 17:33.03 | wmat | doesn't understand all of the policitcs behind all of the different efforts these days |
| 17:33.40 | kergoth_ | isn't aware of any outstanding political issues in this area |
| 17:34.32 | landley | prpplague: I haven't looked at yocto either. It's by the Linux Foundation, it's a Pointy Hair Project. |
| 17:35.39 | landley | kergoth_: aboriginal is intentionally not a distro. Buildroot didn't mean to be a distro either, but once it opened that can of worms it had to spend all its time there... |
| 17:36.04 | kergoth_ | yeah, that's one of the things i love about aboriginal |
| 17:36.23 | kergoth_ | does its particular thing and does that very well |
| 17:36.27 | kergoth_ | too few projects do that |
| 17:36.28 | landley | I actually need to take some time to make things like OpenEmbedded and Buildroot and gentoo Embedded and such build on top of Aboriginal. Waiting for uClibc 1.0.0 with NPTL so I can easily bootstrap glibc from uClibc though. |
| 17:36.41 | landley | The glibc "build NPTL on a non-nptl host" code bit-rotted years ago... |
| 17:37.26 | landley | kergoth_: This is the 1) embedded 2) unix clone space. Do one thing and do it well is pretty much what we're FOR, isn't it? |
| 17:37.40 | kergoth_ | one would hope so, yes :) |
| 17:37.55 | landley | The aboriginal stuff is back uploaded, the rsync is currently grinding through all the videos in http://landley.net/ols/ols2006 |
| 17:38.14 | sjhill | landley: can you clarify your "build NPTL on a non-nptl host" issue a bit more? |
| 17:39.18 | landley | sjhill, um, I hit it back in 2008 which was 0.9.30 I think, lemme dig up my blog entry... |
| 17:39.56 | sjhill | k |
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| 17:40.44 | landley | The second half of http://landley.net/notes-2008.html#24-08-2008 mentioned it... |
| 17:41.06 | landley | Sorry, it was TLS not NPTL. |
| 17:41.33 | landley | Read http://landley.net/notes-2008.html#19-08-2008 first |
| 17:42.17 | landley | Basically i was trying to bootstrap Linux From Scratch (using their toolchain and everything) under Aboriginal back when I first got it to rebuild itself under itself, and glibc really didn't want to build under uClibc because it saw a 2.6 kernel and expected TLS support in the existing C library. |
| 17:42.53 | landley | Maybe it's been fixed since, I haven't tried the 2.1? versions. Last time I reconfirmed this was... 2009 I think. |
| 17:43.05 | landley | (Maybe early 2010.) |
| 17:43.15 | sjhill | okay |
| 17:44.10 | sjhill | I know I'm going to have to get back into some uClibc/TLS/NPTL stuff for MIPS, so I want to hear about other issues too. |
| 17:44.52 | landley | I have issues building current uclibc-git with my "last GPLv2 versions" toolchain (4.2.1 and 1.17) in NPTL mode. |
| 17:45.10 | landley | In pthreads-old mode all the targets build fine, but switch config to NPTL and it's using some assembler features that didn't exist in 1.17 or something. |
| 17:45.19 | landley | They've got a fix for one of them, no reply to the other yet. |
| 17:45.21 | landley | rummages... |
| 17:46.23 | landley | (I note that pthreads builds fine but attempting to build the 50-ish Linux From Scratch packages on non-x86 only works on one other archtecture (um, arm I think?) On mips and powerpc and such it has some kind of race condition where make gets its dependencies confused, which is almost certainly thread releated and just about impossible to reproduce consistently. |
| 17:46.49 | landley | I have _managed_ to build the whole of linux from scratch on mips and powerpc... by restarting failed package builds, which is cheating. |
| 17:47.03 | landley | I'm hoping NPTL fixes that, but I have to get it to _build_ first... |
| 17:48.26 | sjhill | understood |
| 17:48.50 | landley | The first issue is https://bugs.uclibc.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3193 |
| 17:50.09 | landley | Second issue is http://lists.uclibc.org/pipermail/uclibc/2011-January/044701.html |
| 17:51.14 | prpplague | landley: yea dirk from intel as part of linux foundation ambushed the TI teams that were at ELC-EU with the annoucement about LF taking over CELF |
| 17:52.30 | prpplague | landley: i don't have the details but from what i understand, TI wasn't present at the meeting of CELF to accept the LF merger |
| 17:52.57 | prpplague | landley: thats what i have heard from outside sources, not from TI |
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| 18:10.06 | Mirell | Hmm. |
| 18:10.28 | prpplague | kergoth_: i need to add some build receipes to OE, might need to pick your brain next week |
| 18:11.30 | kergoth_ | fine with me |
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| 18:12.53 | prpplague | kergoth_: basically its just a diagnostic rootfs with some of board bringup utils |
| 18:12.58 | kergoth_ | nods |
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| 18:13.05 | prpplague | kergoth_: almost identical to the angstrom console-image |
| 18:13.24 | prpplague | kergoth_: http://www.elinux.org/Board_Bringup_Utilities |
| 18:13.35 | prpplague | kergoth_: i'll buy you a cheeseburger and a beer :) |
| 18:14.05 | Mirell | landley: Add impactlinux.com to your Dreamhost account, it'll probably ask for a domain authorization transfer code, and I'll give you that. |
| 18:16.38 | landley | Mirell: Error: you can't add that domain, already in our system! |
| 18:16.44 | Mirell | Hmm. |
| 18:16.46 | Mirell | Let me see. |
| 18:16.57 | Mirell | landley: What's your Dreamhost username? |
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| 18:17.10 | landley | prpplague: I heard about the takeover from Linux Weekly News. I sent a condolence message to the CELF list. |
| 18:17.19 | prpplague | landley: yea i saw |
| 18:17.37 | prpplague | landley: it was real hardball gaming from intel |
| 18:17.45 | landley | I haven't got anything AGAINST the Linux Foundation, it's just... well... I've blogged about it. |
| 18:17.52 | Mirell | landley: *poke* Dreamhost username? |
| 18:17.55 | prpplague | yea i read |
| 18:19.12 | landley | They were set up to give Linus Torvalds a salary, and wouldn't be a foundation with an endowment but instead wanted to get more money every year, and got very good at hitting up the fortune 500 for cash. Then they wanted to be an interface between the suits and the hobbyists but being really good at taking money from suits does _not_ make you any good at talk to hobbyists... |
| 18:19.18 | Mirell | landley: *poke poke poke* |
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| 18:19.37 | landley | Mirell: rlandley |
| 18:19.42 | Mirell | Thank you. |
| 18:19.45 | landley | Because "landley" was taken. :) |
| 18:19.52 | Mirell | I know you like to rant, but I needed the question answered. |
| 18:20.01 | landley | Mirell I was catching up on backscroll. :) |
| 18:21.38 | Mirell | Hmm...I'll have to figure this out. |
| 18:21.49 | Mirell | landley: Did you just want it to redirect to landley.net for right now? |
| 18:21.56 | landley | Mirell: yes. |
| 18:22.06 | landley | That's all I was trying to do on my end, redirecting is fine. |
| 18:22.13 | Mirell | All rightie. That's set. I'll figure out how to transfer ownership later. |
| 18:22.20 | landley | Cool. Thanks. |
| 18:23.50 | Mirell | Mmm, tabby. |
| 18:24.41 | landley | How long does the redirect updaty thing take? |
| 18:25.17 | Mirell | Within an hour. |
| 18:25.48 | landley | I'll probably head out and bike to to lunch and test from there then. Back in a bit. :) |
| 18:35.33 | prpplague | sjhill: ping |
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| 20:36.12 | landley | mirell: hey, the redirect redirected. :) |
| 20:36.41 | Mirell | Always good to know things work. |
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