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| 02:16.14 | MonMotha | prpplague: were you able to find any of those mini-PCIe SATA cards? |
| 02:16.27 | prpplague | well shoot |
| 02:16.34 | prpplague | MonMotha: you didn't ping me today |
| 02:16.40 | MonMotha | prpplague: yeah, I was busy |
| 02:16.53 | prpplague | MonMotha: i was totally 90 mph today on omap5 stuff |
| 02:16.58 | MonMotha | gotcha |
| 02:17.07 | MonMotha | similar on trying to wrap up my DaVinci project |
| 02:17.37 | MonMotha | found out yesterday that one of the errors my tests were showing was in fact an error...on my board only |
| 02:17.53 | MonMotha | so all that time I'd spent trying to determine if it was a bug in my test or in the hardware, well, answered :) |
| 02:18.32 | prpplague | MonMotha: i hate it when that happens |
| 02:18.43 | prpplague | MonMotha: hey, you every do anything with openocd? |
| 02:19.01 | MonMotha | prpplague: a few years ago when I was doing some AT91SAM7 work |
| 02:19.12 | prpplague | ahh ok |
| 02:19.20 | prpplague | looking for some flyswatter2 beta testers |
| 02:19.33 | MonMotha | I recall it was very unreliable, but that may have been the Olimex USB-OCD I was using |
| 02:19.59 | MonMotha | I'm comparing it to my Atmel AVR setup (JTAGICE mk2 / avarice or the at32 remote host) which seems very good, though |
| 02:20.06 | MonMotha | *well |
| 02:22.38 | prpplague | MonMotha: its pretty solid these days |
| 02:23.23 | MonMotha | well, I'm not sure that the issues I was seeing were even related to OpenOCD. Lots seemed to be the Olimex pod being flakey |
| 02:26.59 | a7r | prpplague: I use openocd on the sam7 chips |
| 02:27.07 | a7r | and I need to set something up for the pxa270 |
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| 02:28.32 | prpplague | a7r: for the pxa might i suggest an incinerator , or maybe send it to some child labor recycling place in india? |
| 02:29.19 | a7r | prpplague: I'd have to send the client along with, which would increase my shipping costs. |
| 02:29.43 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:31.03 | a7r | when does the flyswatter 2 come out? I'm looking at picking one up, since all I have right now is a J-link. |
| 02:36.36 | prpplague | a7r: best guess is another 90 days |
| 02:36.50 | prpplague | a7r: but i'm looking for _serious_ beta testers |
| 02:39.53 | MonMotha | prpplague: actually, you may have some ideas for me, here |
| 02:40.08 | prpplague | MonMotha: ?? |
| 02:40.14 | prpplague | is an empty jar |
| 02:40.15 | MonMotha | I'm looking for a JTAG device that I can use to program just about anything as well as run PCB level tests (EXTEST) |
| 02:40.30 | MonMotha | usually AVR, AT32, various ARM SOCs, Xilinx devices |
| 02:40.36 | MonMotha | I usually have an SVF file |
| 02:40.44 | MonMotha | decent speed would be good |
| 02:40.59 | MonMotha | my JTAGICE is nice and fast, but due to some dumbish firmware, it only works with AVR and AVR32 devices |
| 02:41.23 | MonMotha | my Digilent JTAG cable is restricted to use with Digilent's crappy software (though there's a reverse engineered Linux support), and it's SLOW |
| 02:41.25 | prpplague | MonMotha: flyswatter works with arm and mips via openocd but i don't know about jtag for avr and xilinx stuff |
| 02:41.30 | prpplague | MonMotha: i'd have to check on that |
| 02:41.43 | prpplague | MonMotha: i know more and more stuff is supported in openocd |
| 02:41.43 | MonMotha | AVR and Xilinx both have documented programming protocols |
| 02:41.57 | MonMotha | AVR32 has documented OCD. AVR (8-bit) does not, but I think it's been reverse engineered |
| 02:51.04 | prpplague | MonMotha: give the flyswatter a try |
| 02:51.08 | prpplague | MonMotha: it's only $50 |
| 02:51.20 | prpplague | make an old nerd happy |
| 02:53.31 | MonMotha | as long as it has hardware accelerated IO manipulation (i.e. I can say "set IR to this" or at least "here's a bit string for TMS and TDO, shift N bits, read TDI bit string") and is documented, it should work |
| 02:54.34 | prpplague | MonMotha: not sure what speed you are looking for |
| 02:55.34 | MonMotha | I'd like at least 1MHz |
| 02:56.00 | prpplague | MonMotha: thats doable with the flyswatter |
| 02:56.03 | MonMotha | ok |
| 02:56.11 | prpplague | MonMotha: with 30mhz for the flyswatter2 |
| 02:56.14 | MonMotha | not bad |
| 02:56.21 | prpplague | MonMotha: and 60mhz for the flyswatter3 |
| 02:56.22 | MonMotha | I think my JTAGICE does ~1MHz |
| 03:04.08 | MonMotha | prpplague: ETA on flyswatter2? |
| 03:04.16 | MonMotha | and estimated cost |
| 03:04.50 | prpplague | <a7r> when does the flyswatter 2 come out? I'm looking at picking one up, since all I have right now is a J-link. |
| 03:04.50 | prpplague | <prpplague> a7r: best guess is another 90 days |
| 03:04.50 | prpplague | <prpplague> a7r: but i'm looking for _serious_ beta testers |
| 03:04.58 | MonMotha | heh, yeah, I just scrolled up :) |
| 03:05.08 | a7r | prpplague: it depends on what you need out of your beta testers.. I just need it for bootloader development right now. |
| 03:05.25 | MonMotha | I'd mostly be programming things with it rather than debugging |
| 03:05.38 | MonMotha | but that would involve repeated high-speed program/verify cycles |
| 03:05.53 | MonMotha | though I'm not sure that I have any immediate need. I just finished a run |
| 03:06.03 | MonMotha | maybe in the next month or so, though |
| 03:06.09 | prpplague | i am mainly looking people who are interested in coding for openocd |
| 03:09.45 | a7r | yah, I'd just be using it. |
| 03:10.01 | MonMotha | prpplague: I'd probably just be shoving a bunch of SVF files through it |
| 03:18.53 | prpplague | i'll be you guys in mind |
| 03:19.06 | prpplague | checks to see if new Pioneer One episodes are available yet |
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| 05:26.12 | prpplague | a7r: ping |
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| 05:30.30 | a7r | prpplague: hey |
| 05:30.49 | prpplague | a7r: hey question |
| 05:31.10 | prpplague | a7r: what time zone are you in? |
| 05:31.20 | a7r | prpplague: pacific |
| 05:31.26 | prpplague | a7r: ahh |
| 05:31.52 | prpplague | a7r: i'm looking for some more after hours moderation of #pandaboard |
| 05:32.03 | prpplague | a7r: you normally up late? |
| 05:32.33 | a7r | prpplague: yah, I'm usually around until midnight. |
| 05:33.28 | prpplague | a7r: we;ve been having some problems with some of the more "advanced and social inept" creating a "RTFM" climate in the #pandaboard channel in the late hours |
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| 05:35.06 | a7r | prpplague: oh yah? that sucks. how much "heavy lifting" do you think is required to stop that? |
| 05:35.34 | prpplague | a7r: seems to be happening in the late hours when all the TI folks are off line |
| 05:35.55 | prpplague | a7r: just need to keep an eye out to make sure they aren't bashing newbies with valid questions |
| 05:36.30 | a7r | prpplague: ah, that sounds fine.. I'll keep an eye out. |
| 05:36.53 | prpplague | a7r: kick if needed, ban last resort |
| 05:38.03 | a7r | prpplague: hah, it's getting that bad? |
| 05:38.49 | a7r | well I'm down to lurk and bounce if necessary.. I'll be idling usually anyway. |
| 05:39.47 | prpplague | thanks |
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| 12:29.10 | mnemoc | prpplague: http://www.powerdeveloper.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1936 |
| 12:30.55 | mnemoc | seems that the "only" difficulty is the length of the cable |
| 12:32.42 | mnemoc | and somehow it smells like they are already planning the next generation of efika mx smartbooks :) |
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| 14:12.16 | enlight22 | Hello edevians.. |
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| 14:24.45 | prpplague | mnemoc: dandy information |
| 14:26.02 | kergoth | morning |
| 14:29.16 | enlight22 | good morning |
| 14:29.33 | enlight22 | is this where to find the leet embeded systems haxors |
| 14:30.16 | kergoth_ | i don't know about the "leet" part, but otherwise, sure |
| 14:30.50 | enlight22 | lol |
| 14:31.37 | enlight22 | so i have this scs-26uc, http://zodonoalt.net/scs-front.jpg http://zodonoalt.net/scs-back.jpg |
| 14:31.51 | enlight22 | after a day of probing i have located console rx and tx |
| 14:32.10 | enlight22 | and its running linux on an omap 1710 uboot boot loader |
| 14:33.36 | enlight22 | and there are 2 things i want to do, get root, so i can browse around and check out the config files, and back up the firmware in case i hose it... |
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| 14:46.22 | sjhill | enlight22: can you interrupt uboot from booting and get a uboot cmdline? |
| 14:47.26 | enlight22 | yes i can, after having compared samsungs GNU release with the uboot from sourceforge and discovering i have to press sys<enter> instead of the any key, lol |
| 14:48.10 | enlight22 | but im scurred of the uboot, it seems one false move and i will have a brick on my hands, lol |
| 14:48.47 | enlight22 | and since there is no available datasheet for that proc, and the jtag pins are undefined, and i dont have a copy of the firmware... i dont want that to happen, lol |
| 14:51.33 | sjhill | enlight22: do a 'printenv' command |
| 14:51.41 | sjhill | that will show you how the system is being booted |
| 14:52.13 | enlight22 | done |
| 14:52.17 | enlight22 | can i paste it here |
| 14:52.51 | enlight22 | actually, i had done all the print and output commands earlier and saved them in a text file, for safe keeping |
| 14:53.28 | sjhill | you should be able to change the environment variable 'bootargs' to include 'init=/bin/bash' or similar to give you a root shell |
| 14:54.05 | enlight22 | hehe |
| 14:54.13 | sjhill | enlight22: if you want to paste something, use http://www.pastebin.ca/ |
| 14:54.20 | enlight22 | ive only been running linux on my desktop for 1.5 years now |
| 14:54.41 | sjhill | http://www.pastebin.com/ actually |
| 14:54.52 | sjhill | enlight22: you would have to try pretty hard to brick your device |
| 14:55.46 | enlight22 | well i know of at least one option in uboot that erases everything, and another option that will write over uboot itself, or at least that is what others have said |
| 14:57.20 | enlight22 | but at any rate, as it is now, it seems to be running some startup script, but if i press enter it does give me a login prompt |
| 14:57.26 | enlight22 | i just dont know the root password, lol |
| 14:58.22 | enlight22 | hmm, is pastebin.com acceptable, pastebin.ca seems to not be opening.. hehe |
| 14:58.51 | sjhill | .com is fine |
| 15:00.57 | enlight22 | damn chinese dsl is so slow |
| 15:02.11 | enlight22 | http://pastebin.com/K57i5df1 |
| 15:15.08 | sjhill | wonderful |
| 15:15.09 | sjhill | this will be easy |
| 15:15.29 | sjhill | okay, so you have not modified any of the variables yet, right? |
| 15:15.40 | enlight22 | no, i have changed nothing |
| 15:15.40 | enlight22 | i more of a hardware oriented person, lol |
| 15:15.44 | enlight22 | so after i located the console pins with mah scope and bus pirate, i came to find the xperts |
| 15:15.44 | sjhill | ok, so you'll just want to keep this pristine copy of your variables |
| 15:15.44 | sjhill | do this at the uboot prompt |
| 15:16.08 | sjhill | setenv ramboot 'version;echo;setenv bootargs mem=64M console=ttyS0,$(baudrate)n8 root=/dev/ram0 init=/bin/sh $(runlevel);mdocboot' |
| 15:16.08 | sjhill | then just type 'boot' |
| 15:16.08 | sjhill | without the single quotes of course |
| 15:16.08 | enlight22 | but i take it i do want the single quotes starting at version and ending at mdocboot |
| 15:16.08 | sjhill | yes |
| 15:16.08 | enlight22 | ok, did that |
| 15:16.08 | enlight22 | its booting |
| 15:16.12 | enlight22 | oh, holy shit VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem). |
| 15:16.12 | enlight22 | Freeing init memory: 96K |
| 15:16.12 | enlight22 | sh-2.05b# |
| 15:16.14 | enlight22 | supreme |
| 15:16.17 | enlight22 | oh |
| 15:16.26 | enlight22 | ok, looks like it has some sort of watchdog timer, cause it just rebooted itself |
| 15:16.32 | enlight22 | i wonder if that is the watchdog env variable |
| 15:16.35 | sjhill | perhaps |
| 15:16.36 | sjhill | i'm sure you'll figure it out |
| 15:16.39 | sjhill | but there you go, have fun |
| 15:17.39 | enlight22 | awesome |
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| 15:17.39 | enlight22 | would you care to venture a guess as to what the default mode variable is |
| 15:17.48 | sjhill | just try doing |
| 15:17.48 | sjhill | setenv watichdog_off 1 |
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| 15:17.49 | sjhill | then try the boot again, that should do it |
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| 15:24.24 | enlight22 | haha, im back, setenv watchdog_off '1' has stopped the rebooting |
| 15:24.56 | enlight22 | haha, im back, setenv watchdog_off '1' has stopped the rebooting |
| 15:25.03 | enlight22 | sjhill: you are so awesome, thank u |
| 15:25.26 | enlight22 | oh, hmm, it didnt stop the rebooting, it just rebooted again, lol |
| 15:25.29 | enlight22 | but not as quickly |
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| 15:29.51 | sjhill | enlight22: look for the startup scripts and find the one that starts the watchdog strobing daemon |
| 15:30.08 | sjhill | if you start that up as soon as yout get your root prompt, you'll be set |
| 15:30.43 | enlight22 | hmm, i have a log of the normal boot process, i wonder if that might reveal its location |
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| 15:30.54 | sjhill | perhaps |
| 15:30.56 | enlight22 | is there a way to find out what the root password is, just for future reference? |
| 15:31.18 | enlight22 | i could just reset it, but idk if that might mess something up |
| 15:31.34 | sjhill | right, that's my concern at this time |
| 15:31.39 | sjhill | cat /etc/passwd |
| 15:31.41 | sjhill | cat /etc/shadow |
| 15:31.44 | sjhill | try both |
| 15:32.04 | sjhill | those will be the encrypted/hashed password |
| 15:32.24 | sjhill | you might want to search the net for default password for your device |
| 15:32.43 | enlight22 | sjhill: there is literally zero info on this device, im in uncharted terratory |
| 15:32.45 | sjhill | otherwise you could take the value offline and use password crack to get it |
| 15:32.54 | sjhill | so do the cat thing |
| 15:33.01 | sjhill | find the watchdog script and start it |
| 15:33.01 | enlight22 | the web interface is only accessable on verizon or sprints side of a ipsec tunnel |
| 15:33.32 | sjhill | k |
| 15:34.15 | enlight22 | k, there is no shadow |
| 15:34.15 | enlight22 | but a lot of stuff in passwd |
| 15:34.29 | sjhill | what's the line with 'root' on it? |
| 15:34.50 | enlight22 | root::0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash |
| 15:35.17 | enlight22 | im feeling like there isnt much here, like maby the boot script loads another part of the flash and replaces / or something |
| 15:35.56 | sjhill | something for sure |
| 15:36.04 | sjhill | solve the watchdog first, then you can dig in more detail |
| 15:37.44 | enlight22 | k |
| 15:40.00 | enlight22 | i think it might be this prog called mortem |
| 15:40.14 | enlight22 | i cat it, there is a bunch of garbage cause its an executable program |
| 15:40.28 | enlight22 | but there are alot of references to watchdog, and env stuff |
| 15:42.16 | sjhill | so go into the /etc directory |
| 15:42.25 | sjhill | grep -lr mortem . 2>/dev/null |
| 15:42.36 | sjhill | hopefully you'll find the script starting it |
| 15:46.16 | enlight22 | nothing was returned |
| 15:46.16 | enlight22 | ls |
| 15:46.17 | enlight22 | oops |
| 15:46.17 | enlight22 | wrong window |
| 15:50.42 | enlight22 | i think i found the script that makes the watchdog |
| 15:50.46 | enlight22 | but i cant find what runs the script yet |
| 15:50.57 | enlight22 | although idk why the watchdog is even running since i set its env variable to off |
| 15:54.10 | sjhill | you'll have to investigate |
| 15:54.22 | sjhill | when you get the shell, can you run 'mortem' ? |
| 15:55.47 | enlight22 | i didnt try |
| 15:55.57 | enlight22 | should i |
| 15:56.06 | enlight22 | i found a shellscript called watchdog |
| 15:56.08 | sjhill | well, try those then |
| 15:56.18 | enlight22 | trying to figure out how to scroll up in screen so i can read all of it |
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| 16:01.27 | enlight22 | is there a linux equiv of |more |
| 16:01.33 | enlight22 | lol |
| 16:02.13 | sjhill | it would probably be easier if you just log all output in your terminal session |
| 16:02.18 | sjhill | are you using minicom? |
| 16:02.23 | enlight22 | no |
| 16:02.24 | enlight22 | screen |
| 16:02.36 | enlight22 | minicoms modem functions seem to get in the way of everything |
| 16:02.39 | sjhill | wha? |
| 16:02.57 | enlight22 | screen /dev/ttyUSB0 57600 opens the com port |
| 16:03.11 | enlight22 | minicom is always trying to send modem commands |
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| 16:03.22 | enlight22 | init, reset, etc |
| 16:03.53 | sjhill | i suggest adding -L when you run screen |
| 16:04.09 | enlight22 | hmm, what does that do :) |
| 16:04.49 | sjhill | logs all output of your session |
| 16:04.49 | enlight22 | nice |
| 16:04.59 | enlight22 | hmm, watchdog shell script is in /etc/init.d/watchdog, watchdog start didnt do anything |
| 16:05.02 | enlight22 | maby i need to stop it? |
| 16:05.40 | sjhill | cat out the script |
| 16:05.51 | enlight22 | when i cat it it shows that when i run it with no arguement it should display usage, but it displays nothign |
| 16:05.59 | enlight22 | heh, thats why i need to figure out how to scroll, its longer than my screen |
| 16:06.07 | sjhill | what's your output from the 'mount' command |
| 16:06.30 | enlight22 | cant open /etc/mtab no such file or director |
| 16:07.00 | sjhill | cat /proc/mounts |
| 16:07.21 | enlight22 | no such file or director |
| 16:07.22 | enlight22 | y |
| 16:07.31 | sjhill | mount /proc |
| 16:07.32 | sjhill | cat /proc/mounts |
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| 16:31.17 | sjhill | what in the world is up with freenode |
| 16:31.17 | enlight22 | ahh |
| 16:31.38 | enlight22 | were u not here for a while |
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| 16:58.09 | enlight22 | ? |
| 16:58.52 | prpplague | enlight22: ?? |
| 16:58.57 | prpplague | wmat: ping |
| 16:59.13 | prpplague | wmat: might check your LF login to see the status of your paper submission |
| 16:59.19 | prpplague | wmat: mine now shows accepted |
| 17:01.30 | enlight22 | prpplague: yeah |
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| 17:13.31 | Inopia- | prpplague: congrats :3 |
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| 17:15.56 | prpplague | Inopia-: thanks |
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| 17:53.48 | wmat | prpplague: cool |
| 17:55.02 | wmat | prpplague: where do you see the notices? |
| 17:58.30 | wmat | oh, found it |
| 17:59.10 | wmat | prpplague: I didn't submit a formal paper |
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| 18:08.04 | sjhill | enlight22: any new progress? |
| 18:27.26 | prpplague | wmat: ahh |
| 18:28.07 | wmat | prpplague: I haven't been able to 100% commit until all my employment shenanigans get worked out |
| 18:28.19 | prpplague | wmat: understoofd |
| 18:28.30 | prpplague | wmat: i'm wonderign when i will get official word |
| 18:28.40 | prpplague | wmat: i need to get my travel arrainged |
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| 18:32.17 | wmat | prpplague: I'd think it should be any time now |
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| 18:43.01 | wmat | prpplague: I've yet to watch any episodes. Is it worth it? |
| 18:43.31 | prpplague | oh yea |
| 18:43.51 | prpplague | wmat: there are only two episodes so far with three more suppose to be released in the next 30 days |
| 18:44.18 | wmat | makes note to download it tonight |
| 18:44.23 | prpplague | wmat: pure shame that SyFy and several other channels weren't interested in it |
| 18:44.48 | prpplague | wmat: the first episode has a minor issue on the encoding when played on some linux boxes |
| 18:45.18 | prpplague | wmat: the audio gets out of sink about the middle of the episode, but if you stop it and restart it syncs back up |
| 18:45.21 | wmat | prpplague: I probably should avoid it, as every series I like ends up cancelled. I wouldn't want to jinx this one. |
| 18:45.39 | prpplague | wmat: this one can't be canceled per se |
| 18:45.45 | prpplague | wmat: since it is fan sponsored |
| 18:46.20 | wmat | prpplague: right, but me liking it may jinx it in some other way :/ |
| 18:46.27 | wmat | I'll take my chances though |
| 18:46.47 | SpeedEvil | would sigh atthe direction SyFy has taken, but I read more of my SF than TV. |
| 18:47.44 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: indeed |
| 18:47.56 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: they just had an article about the SyFy channel |
| 18:48.13 | wmat | wonders if SyFy and the SciFi channel in canada are the same thing |
| 18:48.15 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: supposedly less than 8% of the current programming even is sci-fi related |
| 18:48.25 | SpeedEvil | I was really excited to find out one of my favourite serieshad been done asa TV series, then I've been told by people I trust that it sucks. |
| 18:48.35 | SpeedEvil | It's way too easy to completely wreck stuff. |
| 18:48.43 | prpplague | wmat: yea, iirc they are still in the process of changing the name in canada |
| 18:48.48 | wmat | ah |
| 18:49.05 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: which one? |
| 18:49.11 | wmat | SpeedEvil: somebody always says adaptations suck though, even when they don't |
| 18:49.15 | SpeedEvil | Dresden Files |
| 18:49.37 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: ahh never seen that one |
| 18:49.46 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: i think i saw it was on hulu |
| 18:50.23 | SpeedEvil | also annoyed - a bit - that I can't get hulu. |
| 18:50.31 | wmat | me either |
| 18:50.51 | SpeedEvil | Though I'm mostly satisfied withiplayer + the UKs speechradio output. |
| 18:52.46 | wmat | is Burn Notice any good? it gets recommended to me a lot |
| 18:53.03 | kergoth_ | yes, its awesome |
| 18:53.16 | prpplague | wmat: oh you can get iplayer? |
| 18:53.26 | prpplague | wmat: i thought it was restricted to the UK |
| 18:53.28 | wmat | prpplague: what's that? |
| 18:53.30 | kergoth_ | plus, it has bruce campbell, bonus |
| 18:53.36 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: It is |
| 18:53.41 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 18:53.42 | SpeedEvil | nvm |
| 18:53.46 | wmat | will check it out |
| 18:54.00 | wmat | prpplague: I can get hulu to work through a proxy, I've just been to lazy to do it |
| 18:54.01 | prpplague | oh my bad, i thought wmat said he had iplayer |
| 18:54.06 | prpplague | it was SpeedEvil |
| 18:55.01 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: i've been trying to get either a dvd or quality video file of a program on bbc for ages now |
| 18:55.21 | wmat | heads off to meating |
| 18:55.37 | wmat | typo intended ;) |
| 18:56.16 | SpeedEvil | What program/ |
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| 19:07.08 | wmat | meeting cancelled, FTW |
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| 19:40.32 | wmat | prpplague: not bothering with #igloo? |
| 19:42.38 | prpplague | wmat: just forgetting to set it up |
| 19:42.42 | prpplague | does that now |
| 19:42.53 | prpplague | wmat: anything worth while going on there? |
| 19:43.03 | wmat | not yet |
| 19:43.11 | wmat | I posted the Free Electrons blog post |
| 19:43.39 | wmat | http://free-electrons.com/blog/snowball-ste-ap9500-dev-platform/ |
| 19:44.31 | wmat | which kulve pointed out contains "I hope that ST Ericsson will fully understand how open source works and will soon release datasheets for the AP9500 in an open way. " |
| 19:45.15 | prpplague | wmat: yea well they already pissed me off with the take down request for the images of the snowball |
| 19:45.55 | wmat | no doubt, that was just dumb |
| 19:46.46 | wmat | they're are some historical examples of ST sitting on lots of out-of-tree kernel code; but I don't remember the details of that |
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