| 00:00.29 | a7r | you building one? |
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| 00:39.47 | sunrunner20 | whats a netpandabook? |
| 00:40.13 | sunrunner20 | and dad just got a pandaboard ^_^ |
| 00:44.17 | sunrunner20 | prpplague: remember much about the juicebox? |
| 00:54.44 | prpplague | sunrunner20: pandaboard hooked up as a netbook |
| 00:54.55 | prpplague | sunrunner20: juicebox has been awhile |
| 00:56.01 | sunrunner20 | hrm |
| 00:56.07 | sunrunner20 | maby i'll go with an old iphone then |
| 00:57.14 | sunrunner20 | want to build a hardware monitor for my pc |
| 01:00.39 | prpplague | sunrunner20: a lot of nice arm hardware available now |
| 01:00.47 | prpplague | sunrunner20: why not look at using the didj ? |
| 01:00.58 | prpplague | heads home |
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| 03:45.06 | enlight22 | damn this thing |
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| 04:01.06 | enlight22 | anyone up |
| 04:02.15 | prpplague | no |
| 04:02.26 | enlight22 | oh? |
| 04:02.42 | enlight22 | are you not anyone? |
| 04:03.05 | prpplague | nope and i'm not here either |
| 04:03.27 | enlight22 | ]where are you? |
| 04:03.31 | enlight22 | neither here nor there? |
| 04:03.39 | prpplague | on the couch with a beer |
| 04:04.09 | enlight22 | that must be very nice |
| 04:04.14 | enlight22 | on your phone or something?> |
| 04:04.31 | prpplague | netbook |
| 04:04.40 | enlight22 | ahh |
| 04:04.43 | enlight22 | ipchain |
| 04:04.46 | enlight22 | oops |
| 04:04.49 | enlight22 | wrong window |
| 04:05.48 | enlight22 | im strongly considering jumping out a window, lol |
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| 04:08.01 | enlight22 | do u know if there is a more active embeded systems channel somewhere |
| 04:08.06 | enlight22 | i need the help, lol |
| 04:08.35 | prpplague | enlight22: things are kind of slow atm due to a lot work going on |
| 04:08.51 | enlight22 | i see |
| 04:11.39 | roxfan | even in a more active channel you're unlikely to get help if you don't tell people the problem |
| 04:11.56 | enlight22 | good point |
| 04:12.47 | enlight22 | the problem im having is, on this femtocell, if i let the main femtocell binary run as normal, it brings up the ethernet interface and dhcp and gets a lease, and it has no problem communicating, but none of the other programs, such as ping for example can work |
| 04:12.58 | enlight22 | if i bring up the ethernet manually with ifconfig, nothing works |
| 04:13.03 | enlight22 | including dhcpcd |
| 04:13.56 | enlight22 | ping says ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted |
| 04:15.39 | roxfan | sounds like a software issue, maybe try a unix/linux chnanel? |
| 04:16.05 | roxfan | google seems to have some hints too http://www.google.be/search?q=sendmsg:+Operation+not+permitted |
| 04:16.30 | enlight22 | tried google, not having much luck with it |
| 04:17.34 | roxfan | many pages say it's iptables/firewall/routing issue |
| 04:17.49 | enlight22 | yes, except iptables isnt loaded |
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| 05:04.06 | enlight22 | can iptables still be working if the binary isnt there |
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| 06:46.24 | enlight22 | ugg i hate this thing |
| 06:46.37 | enlight22 | got the network working, the webserver is started, but it isnt there |
| 06:51.36 | a7r | hah, what'd it take to get the networking up? |
| 06:53.57 | enlight22 | some script was automatically loading a module necessary for its ipsec vpn connection with sprint |
| 06:54.02 | enlight22 | and that somehow makes nothing work |
| 06:54.08 | enlight22 | so i rmmoded it |
| 06:54.25 | enlight22 | but the name of the module wasnt obvious, so i never thought it would hve any impact on the network |
| 06:56.16 | enlight22 | im tempted to set up the vpn on ubuntu and have a look around their network, lol |
| 06:58.45 | a7r | don't get arrested., |
| 06:59.57 | enlight22 | im in china, they would have a difuclt time pulling that off |
| 06:59.58 | enlight22 | lol |
| 07:00.23 | enlight22 | im thinking maby they customized this thttp, it doesnt respond to -v which is supposed to print the version info |
| 07:00.38 | enlight22 | wish i could find a good source of static arm binaries, id just upload my own to it |
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| 07:22.37 | enlight22 | can this files command show what something is linked too if it isnt stripped |
| 07:22.43 | enlight22 | or just that it is or isnt stripped |
| 07:23.42 | a7r | ldd |
| 07:23.47 | a7r | on the host |
| 07:23.52 | a7r | er device |
| 07:24.36 | enlight22 | huh |
| 07:24.42 | a7r | or if there's no ldd, you should be able to do something like: LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS=1 command |
| 07:24.56 | a7r | on the device, where command is the tool you want to run. |
| 07:25.00 | enlight22 | ive copied the entire visable file system to my pc |
| 07:26.32 | enlight22 | i know there is a configuration on the disc on chip that somehow all these bins can query but i cant see |
| 07:27.59 | a7r | readelf is your friend. |
| 07:28.00 | enlight22 | ahh |
| 07:28.01 | enlight22 | this is cool |
| 07:28.07 | enlight22 | readelf? hmm |
| 07:28.14 | a7r | do you have an ARM toolchain yet? |
| 07:28.30 | enlight22 | so lets say the bin calls something called libmdoc.so, is there a way to see what calls that supports? |
| 07:28.39 | enlight22 | no, im totally hopeless |
| 07:28.42 | enlight22 | lol |
| 07:28.51 | enlight22 | is there a specific toolchain you would suggest |
| 07:29.20 | a7r | if you're lazy, http://www.codesourcery.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/subscription?@template=lite |
| 07:30.22 | enlight22 | im not lazy, i just dont really know waht im doing when it comes to the software end of this, i know waht i want to do, but im not sure how to do it because they have taken so many steps to obscure everything |
| 07:30.38 | a7r | yah, but you should know how to build a cross compiler. |
| 07:30.46 | a7r | or at minimum, learn the tools that are in the cross |
| 07:30.52 | enlight22 | ive never done that before, hehe |
| 07:31.03 | a7r | it's way easier now than it used to be. |
| 07:31.03 | enlight22 | gotta learn somehow/time |
| 07:32.23 | enlight22 | http://www.codesourcery.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/package7853/public/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/arm-2010.09-50-arm-none-linux-gnueabi.bin take it this is the thing i want |
| 07:32.35 | a7r | yup |
| 07:32.52 | enlight22 | k, getting it |
| 07:32.58 | enlight22 | no clue what im going to do with it though |
| 07:33.14 | a7r | it can disassemble arm binaries |
| 07:33.16 | a7r | and build them |
| 07:33.16 | enlight22 | i already have that readelf thing, whatever it is, lol |
| 07:33.33 | enlight22 | disassemble into assembly? |
| 07:33.41 | a7r | yup |
| 07:33.42 | enlight22 | im going to need to purchase some aspirin |
| 07:34.04 | enlight22 | i could do that in IDA could i not? |
| 07:34.08 | a7r | you could |
| 07:35.32 | enlight22 | any clue how i might totally dump this mDOC disc on chip |
| 07:35.51 | enlight22 | just need to read and write the configuration, and spoof the gps |
| 07:36.00 | enlight22 | who knew it would be so troublesome |
| 07:36.27 | enlight22 | i thought it would be neat to do it in software but now im thinking about just cutting the trace on the gps and using a microcontroller to man in the middle the gps |
| 07:36.39 | a7r | haha |
| 07:36.52 | a7r | is it really using the GPS to know you're out of the country? |
| 07:37.13 | ohsix | tricky to generate gps alike clock signals, them being numerous accurate and in space and all |
| 07:37.26 | enlight22 | it must be because i ran it through the VPN and it still wouldnt work |
| 07:37.45 | enlight22 | ohsix: im not going to spoof the gps signal |
| 07:38.05 | ohsix | oic read that wrong |
| 07:38.08 | enlight22 | im going to take the nmea or whatever protocol words comming out of the GPS serial line, change the location but not the time, and feed them into the devvice |
| 07:38.17 | a7r | yah |
| 07:38.17 | ohsix | yea, gotcha |
| 07:38.23 | a7r | easy to do if it's NMEA or a binary analog. |
| 07:38.30 | enlight22 | i had wanted to just make a simple program, to do that in software on the device |
| 07:38.41 | enlight22 | since its comming in a uart presumably |
| 07:38.55 | enlight22 | and i dont care about the rest of this mess |
| 07:39.10 | enlight22 | i just wanted to get access to the configuration so i can change this one from a sprint femtocell to a verizon one |
| 07:39.32 | enlight22 | they are the same, and the software is the same, its getting wht it is from a config hidden in the disk on chip |
| 07:43.49 | enlight22 | if i cant figure out how to manipulate this disc on chip im gonna hve to do that anyway because i wont have a way to save the program on the device |
| 08:09.43 | enlight22 | ok, this toolchain is installing, had to change my shell from dash to bash |
| 08:11.34 | enlight22 | i take it a typical install is fine |
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| 08:43.14 | enlight22 | its so nice to be able to use scp, omg |
| 08:48.50 | a7r | fuck.. |
| 08:48.57 | a7r | my test environment is totally broken. |
| 08:51.25 | enlight22 | what are you testing |
| 08:51.33 | a7r | some new kernel modules for a client. |
| 08:51.45 | a7r | I wanted to check them in tonight, but I hacn't even get them to work |
| 08:52.00 | enlight22 | :( |
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| 16:26.38 | mnemoc | hi, can you recommend me anyone in USA to build an usb-to-4-rs232-in-rj45 adapters in low quantity for a decent price? :) |
| 16:27.17 | mnemoc | (yes, very off-topic, but I know you know) |
| 16:27.35 | SpeedEvil | I suppose you don't want a box with a hub in it? |
| 16:29.37 | prpplague | mnemoc: circuit is pretty darn simple |
| 16:29.53 | prpplague | mnemoc: you can use the FT4232 |
| 16:29.56 | mnemoc | afaik there are single IC to do it all |
| 16:30.03 | prpplague | mnemoc: indeed |
| 16:30.50 | mnemoc | prpplague: would you recommend me anyone to build 50 or 100 of those at a good price? :) |
| 16:31.14 | prpplague | mnemoc: you'd have to qualify "good price" |
| 16:31.32 | prpplague | mnemoc: you are looking at probably $85 per unit in qty 100 |
| 16:31.50 | prpplague | mnemoc: thats probably min |
| 16:37.36 | mnemoc | I suppose that's fine... my boss is a fan of off-the-shelf minipc computers but needs to drop the requirement of 4 serial ports in the computer themselves |
| 16:38.32 | mnemoc | I understand it's a trivial task, but neither I or my boss know about possible makers |
| 16:41.11 | mnemoc | and been small quantities and "darn simple" I suppose not everyone will be willing to do waste time on it |
| 16:59.54 | mnemoc | anyone here interested or anyone you would recommend and would be interested in doing these simple adapters I can point to my boss? (boss based in NJ) |
| 17:01.54 | prpplague | mnemoc: might check and see what is available from digi - http://www.digi.com/products/serialcards/classicboard.jsp#overview |
| 17:02.05 | prpplague | mnemoc: they might have something you can use off the shelf |
| 17:02.43 | prpplague | mnemoc: http://www.digi.com/products/usb/edgeport.jsp#models |
| 17:03.00 | mnemoc | everything uses db9 and the adapters are pretty fragile :( |
| 17:05.39 | prpplague | mnemoc: digi makes with rj45 as well |
| 17:05.53 | mnemoc | it may be a longer relation (but always small qty) because the one currently making industrial boards for them (simple relays, keypads...) is kind of scammer :( |
| 17:05.57 | mnemoc | ok |
| 17:06.03 | prpplague | http://www.digi.com/products/model.jsp?lid=EN&pgid=38&pfid=25&mtid=226&amtid=226&pm=Y |
| 17:06.26 | mnemoc | oh |
| 17:06.28 | prpplague | http://www.digi.com/products/model.jsp?lid=EN&pgid=38&pfid=25&mtid=3419&amtid=3419&pm=Y |
| 17:06.49 | prpplague | silly mnemoc , did you think that you were the first to want RJ-45? |
| 17:07.01 | mnemoc | :p |
| 17:08.06 | mnemoc | $303 :'( |
| 17:09.14 | prpplague | mnemoc: yea, like i said, you were look at a min of $85 |
| 17:09.51 | mnemoc | (boss is ranting over IM against previous experiences with digi) |
| 17:10.43 | mnemoc | prpplague: yes, under 100 |
| 17:16.07 | mnemoc | what about someone inexpensive only for designing the simple stuff (and redesigning some boards) for my employer? hopefully someone with arm knowledge because that is their excuse to keep using x86 minipc instead of a simple base board and an ARM SoM... know anyone? |
| 17:18.57 | mnemoc | i really need to get my boss away of their current PIC+VB centric designer/maker |
| 17:19.13 | mnemoc | (and he is willing to move if I find someone) |
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| 17:48.03 | enlight22 | http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=7336130158&ad_id=&am_id=&cm_id=&pm_id= why not just use that with db-9 to rj-45 adaptors |
| 17:48.12 | enlight22 | 15 bucks each |
| 17:48.39 | enlight22 | http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=8996995925&ad_id=&am_id=&cm_id=&pm_id= this one is even nicer |
| 17:48.46 | enlight22 | about 25 bucks each |
| 17:48.59 | enlight22 | but if you want 100 of them probably could get them cheaper |
| 17:49.27 | enlight22 | on the other hand, i could probably have some made here on th vast cheapness... why does it have to be in the US? |
| 17:51.28 | mnemoc | problem with rj45/db9 adaptors is that each time they need 4, and summing that cost to the usb/rs232 adapters easily justifies the investment in building something with rj45 in the board |
| 17:51.46 | mnemoc | also adaptors are fragile, and users are worse than apes (car wash operators) |
| 17:53.03 | mnemoc | it doesn't _have_ to be in US, but afaik .cn people cares about much larger quantities only ... and fluent discusions in english about custom designs might be a problem |
| 17:53.08 | mnemoc | but it's just a guess |
| 17:53.51 | enlight22 | well on the first point, the adaptors cost about 20 cents each |
| 17:53.54 | enlight22 | the second i agree |
| 17:54.14 | mnemoc | my knowledge about hw is *very* limited, I only do software... :( |
| 17:54.44 | enlight22 | the third, they dont care much about qty, but fluent english convo is certainly an issue, on the other hand, if you give them a board layout or a technical reference, it wouldnt be a problem, and what you want is very simple, doent require software, just off the shelf chips |
| 17:56.09 | mnemoc | my boss knows less electronics than I do, he only knows about been cheap and marketing :( that's why I would need someone to do the design |
| 17:56.29 | mnemoc | even for the most basic pcb |
| 17:57.52 | enlight22 | are u dead set against adaptors, because these USB to 4x rs232 are really cheap |
| 17:58.28 | mnemoc | and if that someone can move the company away from minipc into controllers using sodimm arm SoMs but better for me :) |
| 17:59.14 | mnemoc | nah, adapters are fine... if using off-the-self usb/4xrs232 with a reliable chip inside |
| 18:00.56 | mnemoc | they are using db9/rj45 adapters currently anyway |
| 18:01.29 | enlight22 | i hope they arent using a 4 port USB hub with 4 usb to serial adaptors, lol |
| 18:01.40 | enlight22 | what is the purpose of this hardware |
| 18:02.32 | mnemoc | enlight22: actually, because of the unavailabilty of minipc with 4 serial ports they are using a usb hub and 4 usb/rs232 in the last deployments :( |
| 18:02.43 | SpeedEvil | One fun issue is ordering. |
| 18:03.03 | SpeedEvil | I mean - which is port 1 |
| 18:03.16 | enlight22 | is minipc different than itx or pc104? |
| 18:03.30 | mnemoc | miniitx junk |
| 18:03.39 | enlight22 | do these miniPCs not have 4 USB ports |
| 18:03.44 | enlight22 | what do the system spec need to be? |
| 18:03.57 | mnemoc | SpeedEvil: that is a nightmare, and worse when one adapter decides to reset itself and gets a new dev/ttyUSB<n> |
| 18:04.18 | SpeedEvil | mnemoc: In ptinciple, you can fix this by having serial numbers, but... |
| 18:04.45 | SpeedEvil | I know there are sort-of-patches that handle suspend and reregister USB mass storage devices ontheir old dev entry |
| 18:04.54 | SpeedEvil | But I don't think anyones bothered doing that for ttys* |
| 18:06.42 | mnemoc | enlight22: currenly via c3 800mhz, 256RAM (more than half is free) and 128M dom, from which I use 10M, vga, ethernet... and 4 serial ports for controlling devices |
| 18:07.12 | mnemoc | enlight22: but i found it to be the perfect oportunity to migrate to a SoM based solution :) |
| 18:07.41 | mnemoc | unfortunatelly their board designer/marker only knows about PIC and VB.net sample code :'( |
| 18:07.53 | enlight22 | what does the code do |
| 18:08.12 | enlight22 | wait |
| 18:08.14 | enlight22 | board designer |
| 18:08.15 | enlight22 | what board |
| 18:08.24 | enlight22 | im confused lol |
| 18:08.50 | enlight22 | i take it these 4 serial ports are connecting to a board designed by someone who doesnt know how to make anything other than .net sample code is what yu are saying? |
| 18:09.33 | mnemoc | 3 kinds of daisy chained boards, one for keypads, one for watching 16 24V boolean channels each, anoher for playing with 8 relays each |
| 18:10.07 | enlight22 | is it some sort of security system or a PLC or something? |
| 18:10.08 | mnemoc | enlight22: and that reuses the same junky pic code for every possible application.... making polling very crappy |
| 18:10.41 | mnemoc | enlight22: nah, truck parkings, car washes, gas machines |
| 18:11.33 | enlight22 | so what purpose is the computer serving? does someone actually need to look at something, like is there an operator? |
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| 18:13.16 | mnemoc | enlight22: computer receives sales, watches inputs (sensors), and turns on relays based on what's bought and seen ... makes reports and shows a sexy touch screen to the ape^Woperator :) |
| 18:13.26 | enlight22 | sort of sounds like a pic isnt even necessary and that it could be done with i2c and shift registers |
| 18:13.54 | mnemoc | enlight22: the pic only translates to something "easy" to poll from vb code |
| 18:14.24 | mnemoc | (but doesn't tell you who's answering!) |
| 18:14.38 | mnemoc | very crappy |
| 18:15.14 | enlight22 | so each "station" has a keypad, and 24 inputs, and 8 relays? |
| 18:16.40 | mnemoc | N*16 inputs and M*8 relays, daisy chained ... normally 3-4 boards, currently supports 16 (4 dip switches for addressing) |
| 18:17.51 | enlight22 | for the whole system or does that represent one like... user terminal or something |
| 18:17.51 | mnemoc | so polling protocol is "hey input board 2, what's your mask?" or "hey relay board 5, apply this mask" |
| 18:18.16 | mnemoc | enlight22: should we continue in query? |
| 18:18.41 | enlight22 | you mean /msg? |
| 18:18.44 | mnemoc | yes |
| 18:19.00 | mnemoc | to not bother the channel with this details |
| 18:19.11 | enlight22 | as you like, it sort of seems on topic to me as its embeded systems, but idk... thats fine |
| 18:19.15 | enlight22 | sure |
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| 19:26.45 | a7r | what up |
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| 21:21.30 | enlight22 | sup a7r |
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| 22:08.22 | a7r | enlight22: how's it? |
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