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| 01:08.53 | GPSFan | prpplague, ping, wiki updated, with your patch and instructions, I still have some notes to add about the wlan. |
| 01:09.10 | prpplague | dandy |
| 01:09.25 | prpplague | GPSFan: got time to look at a case design? |
| 01:09.33 | GPSFan | sure |
| 01:10.47 | prpplague | GPSFan: let me send it to you |
| 01:10.55 | GPSFan | k |
| 01:10.57 | prpplague | GPSFan: you need adobe acrobat reader to view it |
| 01:11.02 | GPSFan | k |
| 01:11.14 | prpplague | GPSFan: generic pdf readers won't work |
| 01:12.11 | GPSFan | ok, I'll see what I can find send the pdf. |
| 01:14.06 | prpplague | GPSFan: you can download the free adobe acrobat, windows and linux |
| 01:14.10 | prpplague | GPSFan: fully supported |
| 01:14.39 | prpplague | GPSFan: http://get.adobe.com/reader/ |
| 01:14.43 | prpplague | GPSFan: file on the way |
| 01:15.01 | prpplague | GPSFan: you can view the case in 3D with rotation and hide parts so you can see inside |
| 01:41.48 | GPSFan | prpplague, the SD card looks like it is below the board, what are the other 2 hdmi connectors? |
| 01:42.44 | prpplague | GPSFan: two more usb ports |
| 01:43.07 | prpplague | GPSFan: optical illusion on the sd card, it is in the same place on the panda |
| 01:45.22 | GPSFan | ah, I see now as I hide the top of the case and the extra board. |
| 01:45.27 | prpplague | GPSFan: not on the pdf right now are two push buttons that will be above the sd card and three LEDS |
| 01:46.48 | GPSFan | you need some holes to see the LEDs through |
| 01:47.04 | GPSFan | the original leds.. |
| 01:47.28 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, can;t without jacking up the cost of the case |
| 01:47.53 | prpplague | GPSFan: the accessory pcb with have a reset button and a power button tied to the pmic |
| 01:48.04 | prpplague | GPSFan: then a power led, and two user leds |
| 01:48.12 | GPSFan | that's a big board for just 2 USB conns, what else are you gonna put on it? |
| 01:48.36 | GPSFan | maybe a proto area |
| 01:48.44 | GPSFan | some level shifters |
| 01:49.14 | GPSFan | lcd conn |
| 01:49.39 | prpplague | GPSFan: rtc with battery, eeprom, uart level shifter |
| 01:50.00 | prpplague | GPSFan: trying to keep it pretty simple, add things of low cost but of large benefit |
| 01:52.03 | GPSFan | yeah, that's the key, to encourage users to buy the board, they get value for their $$ you get $$ without subsidising the heck out of the product. |
| 01:52.56 | GPSFan | is the eeprom compatible with the Beagle eeprom implementation? |
| 01:53.50 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea that is what i was planning |
| 01:54.42 | GPSFan | prpplague, the casework looks nice, and seems to integrate with the expansion board well. |
| 01:55.16 | GPSFan | prpplague, is that a "standard" case, or unique dimensions for the Panda? |
| 01:55.46 | prpplague | GPSFan: completely custom |
| 01:56.00 | prpplague | GPSFan: we'll be shooting it in abs plastic, probably black |
| 01:56.03 | GPSFan | $$ oh well. maybe for Omap5 |
| 01:56.15 | prpplague | GPSFan: *cough* i can't comment |
| 01:56.28 | GPSFan | ;>)) |
| 01:56.28 | prpplague | GPSFan: basically i need to sell 200 to make it worth my time |
| 01:56.50 | GPSFan | proposed cost to the end user? |
| 01:57.15 | prpplague | GPSFan: right now its $50 with case and accessory board |
| 01:57.27 | prpplague | GPSFan: i'm still going over everything |
| 01:57.45 | GPSFan | not bad, less than the laser cut plexiglas ones I think. |
| 01:57.59 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea the plexiglass one is $50 as well |
| 01:58.10 | prpplague | GPSFan: i have to do some more number crunching on the accessory board |
| 01:58.14 | GPSFan | any thoughts of shooting a few in clear ABS? |
| 01:58.31 | prpplague | GPSFan: that is on my todo list for checking |
| 01:58.45 | prpplague | GPSFan: i suspect that i can get in a diffused white |
| 01:58.57 | GPSFan | I'm not sure how good clear ABS looks re. plexiglas |
| 01:59.08 | prpplague | yea |
| 01:59.22 | GPSFan | cul, time for some TV. ... |
| 01:59.24 | prpplague | GPSFan: i'll get it shot in about 5 or 6 as tests |
| 01:59.29 | prpplague | GPSFan: later |
| 01:59.49 | prpplague | GPSFan: so overall you like it? |
| 01:59.56 | prpplague | GPSFan: /msg about it |
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| 07:42.27 | landley | I remember when I hung out on #uclibc and it was most active after midnight Texas time, because of all the australians and Erik and my late-night schedules. |
| 07:42.35 | landley | I had a 24 hour coffee shop with wireless internet. |
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| 09:03.20 | melchior | Hello, on my embedded system, the filesystem is on a NAND chip. I've programmed an application which uses a database but hesitate putting it on the NAND or on the MMC card of my board. Which solution you think would be the most reliable ? |
| 09:04.15 | florian | This strongly depends on how you are using the database. |
| 09:06.31 | florian | Using a MMC you can change the storage card from time to time if its really necessary but rely on what the controller does. |
| 09:07.14 | florian | If you use NAND you (can) have a filesystem that takes care about wear levelling. |
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| 09:14.36 | melchior | I can't change the MMC card, because the future customer won't be allowed to open the box. That's why i'm asking this question. I would think that if i put it in the nand, i will brick it one day or another. |
| 09:15.51 | melchior | But maybe i'm wrong, and maybe an MMC card can be bricked more quicly than a NAND |
| 09:16.03 | melchior | i don't know |
| 09:16.44 | florian | Do you have to write data frequently? |
| 09:17.10 | melchior | It depends what you means by frequently |
| 09:17.48 | florian | it depends on how you use your NAND - you can have wear levelling in a single partition or using a major share of the flash independent from partitions |
| 09:19.12 | melchior | But everytime the database is written is because the user made an action to write to it like update a password, or create an user, or create a set of rules |
| 09:19.30 | florian | "Frequently" means that the designed life time of the device is longer than it takes to wear out a block if you always write to this single one. |
| 09:22.05 | melchior | and for the same number of writings, do a mmc card gert bricked faster than a nand ? |
| 09:23.14 | florian | it depends on card and flash |
| 09:24.08 | florian | what the card does in order to prevent wear levelling is up to the controller and its almost impossible to find out what it does |
| 09:35.03 | roxfan | if you don't do wear leveling yourself, mmc card will be more robust |
| 09:36.51 | roxfan | there are filesystems/ftls for nand that do wear leveling, you can try using one of those |
| 09:50.31 | melchior | I'm using jffs2 on my NAND |
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| 20:32.25 | GPSFan | prpplague, ping what did you do to get hdmi working, I enabled it in the .config but get nothing on the display. I get dvi output though, and no messages in dmesg about hdmi, the driver compiled, I can see the hdmi.o file in omap2/dss |
| 20:32.55 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea there is still some bugs in the hdmi stuff i am looking at |
| 20:33.18 | GPSFan | prpplague, ah, so it's not quite as simple as I thought ;>) |
| 20:33.23 | prpplague | nope |
| 20:34.17 | GPSFan | there are a bunch of dss related patches on patchwork from tomi. |
| 20:34.40 | prpplague | yea |
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| 21:15.46 | Mirell | Hmm. |
| 21:15.50 | Mirell | 'lo prpplague |
| 21:23.29 | prpplague | Mirell: greetings |
| 21:23.34 | prpplague | Mirell: how's tricks? |
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| 21:46.56 | Mirell | They're acceptable to some degree. |
| 21:47.08 | Mirell | Never contract through Aerotek though. |
| 21:52.26 | prpplague | miltonm: oh you change jobs? |
| 21:52.39 | miltonm | no, why? |
| 21:54.07 | prpplague | miltonm: oh sorry that was for Mirell |
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| 23:04.58 | Mirell | prpplague, not yet |
| 23:05.07 | Mirell | prpplague, but on the hunt again. |
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| 23:12.23 | a7r | hey |
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