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| 18:14.19 | gnomad | hey all. |
| 18:14.36 | gnomad | Anyone seen the Zipit Z2's go on sale recently? |
| 18:15.13 | gnomad | or anyone know a mailing list where a sale might be announced? |
| 18:19.50 | prpplague | gnomad: iirc they have been out of production for some time |
| 18:20.18 | prpplague | gnomad: why? |
| 18:25.58 | GPSFan | gnomad, try asking in #zipit, rkdavis might know where to get some.. |
| 18:26.18 | GPSFan | prpplague, howdy.. |
| 18:26.54 | prpplague | GPSFan: greetings |
| 18:27.01 | prpplague | goes to the lab for a while |
| 18:27.58 | GPSFan | wonders if prpplague wears a lab coat in the lab |
| 18:31.59 | alex4nder | I walk downtown in my antistatic jacket. |
| 18:32.18 | alex4nder | chicks love my baby blue outerwear. |
| 18:35.42 | GPSFan | don't forget your wrist strap, ;>)) |
| 18:37.04 | alex4nder | it's longsleeve, man .. the wrist coverage is integrated, dawg. |
| 18:37.21 | alex4nder | the only wrist accoutrement I wear is my bright yellow livestronge bracelet. |
| 18:37.39 | alex4nder | it completes my total-tool aesthetic. |
| 18:38.19 | gnomad | Thanks for the reference to #zipit! |
| 18:39.20 | gnomad | At $50, they are a fabulous two-pin display/keyboard interface for 8-bit uC projects. |
| 18:39.46 | GPSFan | must be upscale version coat, mine needed a separate strap. |
| 18:40.28 | GPSFan | gnomad, I did quite a bit of zipit (1 & 2) work a while ago. they are nice little boxes. |
| 18:48.29 | gnomad | they sure look that way. |
| 18:48.50 | gnomad | I'm getting some help over on #zipit, so I'll leave y'all alone here... |
| 18:55.28 | gnomad | anyone here familiar with the Zipit serial mod hack? |
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| 19:04.09 | GPSFan | gnomad, http://www.weyrassociates.com/images/Zipit/Z2/PICT1108.JPG |
| 19:06.02 | gnomad | looks like there are multiple hacks going on in that pic. |
| 19:06.30 | gnomad | I recognize the blue/red/black wires for the serial, but not the yellow wires. |
| 19:07.24 | roxfan | they're original |
| 19:07.42 | roxfan | i guess there were some bugs in the board |
| 19:08.17 | gnomad | ok.... checking another pic... I see the same wires but in a different color and with much better soldering. |
| 19:09.57 | GPSFan | gnomad, the yellow wires were factory fixes for bugs on the 16aug07 rev of the board, the sept version has no yellow wires, the serial pins remain the same. |
| 19:12.35 | gnomad | gotcha. |
| 19:15.23 | GPSFan | wow, it looks like lots of the sites with the original Z2 data are gone ;>(( |
| 19:17.00 | gnomad | yeah, I've come across a few dead links while searhcing. |
| 19:17.23 | gnomad | obviously, I just discovered the zipit as a result of today's hack-a-day posting. |
| 19:17.41 | GPSFan | gnomad, ever see a z1? |
| 19:17.46 | gnomad | nope. |
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| 19:18.22 | gnomad | I have a vague recollection of seeing them when they were first announced as a consumer product. |
| 19:19.22 | GPSFan | there is still activity on the yahoo group: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/zipitwireless/ |
| 19:20.23 | gnomad | is that group for general users or just hackers? |
| 19:20.45 | GPSFan | http://elinux.org/ZipIt and http://www.weyrassociates.com/indexx.php?dir=images/Zipit/Serial |
| 19:21.21 | GPSFan | it was mostly hackers of the z1 back when the z1 was new. don't know about now. |
| 19:23.49 | gnomad | is that two serial ports in that pic? Or serial and something else? |
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| 19:25.35 | GPSFan | the z1 had 2, but only one was complete, the proto board had 2 headers which were removed for production. the layout guy was lazy and only removed part of the traces on one, so it was possible to solder to a via and get one complete port. |
| 19:26.09 | gnomad | gotcha |
| 19:28.03 | GPSFan | the z was fun, there was absolutely no support from zipitwireless , we had to do serious disassembly of code to figure out what was going on. and write (or adapt) drivers for everything. |
| 19:28.12 | GPSFan | s z/z1 |
| 19:28.54 | gnomad | did the thing initially run Linux from the factory |
| 19:28.54 | gnomad | ? |
| 19:30.26 | GPSFan | yes sort of, like the z2 it then loaded up a giant statically linked application which bitbanged all the i/o ports there were essentially no drivers for any peripherial, kbd, lcd, sound, etc. |
| 19:32.26 | gnomad | seriously? the whole thing was bit-banged? |
| 19:32.46 | alex4nder | haha that sounds like some coporate embedded Linux development |
| 19:33.04 | alex4nder | possibly with some outsourcing rolled in |
| 19:33.10 | GPSFan | well maybe not bit banged, but all i/o was in userland in the zipit application. |
| 19:34.54 | GPSFan | the original manufacturer was Aeronix http://www.aeronix.com very odd company to come out with a piece of consumer electronics targeted to kids instant messaging needs. |
| 19:35.06 | gnomad | yeah, with just one static app, you would't really have a concept of kernel vs. userland |
| 19:35.56 | gnomad | I'll bet there is a good story behind how they got the gig. |
| 19:36.04 | GPSFan | indeed. |
| 19:36.12 | gnomad | probably had an intern build it. ;-) |
| 19:37.58 | GPSFan | aeronix spun off zipitwireless who "designed" the z2 and several oem products and what might be the z3 for enterprise use. |
| 19:46.20 | gnomad | So, is it true that the Z2s are out of production? All that's left is old stock? |
| 19:54.09 | GPSFan | gnomad, that would be a question for rkdavis |
| 19:58.29 | calculus | I wonder if something like that can be done with a nanonote |
| 20:03.59 | gnomad | looks that way. nanonote is just more expensive. |
| 20:05.15 | gnomad | and it looks like the zipit has more flash and ram. |
| 20:09.34 | calculus | 2GB flash and 32MB ram on the nanonote, and the zipit has more? |
| 20:09.50 | gnomad | 8 GB flash on the zipit. |
| 20:09.59 | gnomad | 32 mb ram on both, it seems. |
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