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| 09:08.13 | kirabo | I've cross compiled an application and straced it on my embedded device. Even if my application works, strace output output messages as : open(/home/myfolder/workspace/...../libpixman-1.so) no such file or directory. That is normal because this is the path of my lib on the machine i've built the app onto. How do i get rid of those message ? |
| 09:09.19 | ohsix | you just copied it out of the tree? install fixes up reguular library paths and stuff |
| 09:29.44 | kirabo | ohsix: you mean make install ? |
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| 16:06.08 | landley | Hiya prpplague. How goes? |
| 16:06.24 | prpplague | landley: hey bud |
| 16:06.29 | prpplague | landley: hanging in there |
| 16:06.31 | prpplague | landley: and you? |
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| 16:16.41 | landley | Doing reasonably well. Currently learning the mysteries of i2c. |
| 16:17.35 | landley | Do you believe the uClibc guys finally got a release out with NPTL in it? |
| 16:18.01 | landley | It didn't compile on x86, but they fixed that in the repo fairly quickly and we can expect to see it in a release sometime around 2014 I'd guess. |
| 16:21.39 | wmat | Crofton|work: jeri ellsworth built a software radio |
| 16:21.42 | wmat | Crofton|work: http://bit.ly/qjxhkn |
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| 16:32.20 | prpplague | landley: hehe |
| 16:32.31 | prpplague | Crofton|work: i was about to post that to you as well\ |
| 16:32.34 | prpplague | wmat: greetings |
| 16:32.52 | prpplague | wmat: i think i have the F2 issue resolved, i'll get with you for some testing |
| 16:32.56 | prpplague | landley: i2c is fun |
| 16:34.05 | wmat | prpplague: awesome |
| 17:00.31 | calculus | landley: missed you, haven't seen for a while on irc |
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| 18:17.46 | landley | Hi calculus. |
| 18:18.09 | landley | Switched laptops again, haven't set up irc on the new one. |
| 18:18.14 | landley | This is my VM at work. :) |
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| 20:01.52 | landley | Awaiting the 3.0 drop. Any time now... |
| 20:02.38 | prpplague | landley: i think they announced that it was delayed due to a minor patch linus wanted tested |
| 20:02.46 | landley | Yes, Linux announced yesterday at 7pm that he was delaying it a day. |
| 20:02.53 | landley | s/Linux/Linus/ |
| 20:02.58 | landley | Oh shut up purl. |
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| 21:03.27 | landley | prpplague: by the way, I split the aboriginal linux control images out into their own repository last week-ish. |
| 21:03.42 | prpplague | landley: ahh ok |
| 21:03.50 | landley | The project itself is 1.0 and does that it says on the tin more or less. Now it's bootstraping distros that the fun's at... |
| 21:03.54 | prpplague | landley: i;ve been meaning to do a fresh pull |
| 21:04.41 | landley | I did a test build with uClibc 0.9.32 still in pthreads mode. Other than x86 not building (I got a patch for that out of the repo), m68k, mips64, ppc440, sh4, and sparc failed. |
| 21:04.55 | landley | The rest built. I had pretty much everything building against 0.9.31 last release. |
| 21:05.26 | landley | Tracking down those regressions before cutting a new release. |
| 21:06.27 | landley | Some weird stuff in there. "In function `__pthread_manager': undefined reference to `clone'. |
| 21:06.31 | landley | That's what sh4 died with. |
| 21:07.00 | landley | I suppose I should give nptl another whack since pthreads seems to have bit-rotted. |
| 21:07.12 | landley | I live in hope that SOMEDAY they'll put out a release upon which git bisect is remotely useful. |
| 21:07.28 | landley | Of course bernhad's "branch then tag" approach to release tags means that's kind of laughable, but oh well... |
| 21:07.29 | prpplague | tries to remember |
| 21:07.47 | landley | Even _I_ know that's the wrong way to use git... |
| 21:07.52 | prpplague | sjhill: didn't you do a bunch of NPTL work ages ago? |
| 21:08.05 | landley | sjhill did the sh4 port in 2006, I think. there was an OLS paper. |
| 21:08.17 | prpplague | ahh right |
| 21:08.18 | landley | He wanted to get paid for the work before releasing it, so it languished out of tree for most of a year. |
| 21:08.34 | landley | The code sourcery guys did an arm port, and somebody else did... mips I think. |
| 21:08.48 | landley | Then the three different versions had to be merged, and support fot he other platforms filled in. |
| 21:09.00 | kergoth_ | nothing wrong with creating a release branch, tagging it, and potentially removing the release branch afterward. that's a pretty common workflow. of course, ideally you then merge the release branch back to master after the release, otherwise tools like git describe won't work in a useful fashion.. |
| 21:09.05 | landley | It was a sort of extended horribleness you get with a seriously constipated project. |
| 21:10.14 | landley | kergoth_: exactly. Git bisect complains it's crossing branches, git describe has no idea what version anything is, searching git log for the tag name never finds anything... |
| 21:10.31 | landley | Tag _then_ branch. |
| 21:10.40 | landley | Tags that aren't part of your history serve no obvious purpose. |
| 21:12.22 | kergoth | that issue is part of what makes svn->git conversions a pain :| |
| 21:12.31 | kergoth | heh |
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| 21:13.07 | landley | Eh, I tend to use up my "You're doing it wrong" quota. |
| 21:13.22 | landley | I can just about find something that can be improved... |
| 21:13.44 | landley | 2/3 of my work on busybox was ripping out code that worked. I rewrote mount three times. |
| 21:14.02 | prpplague | landley: hehe |
| 21:14.21 | landley | I'm seriously tempted to restart toybox just so I have simple versions of commands to play with again. |
| 21:14.42 | landley | I can't stand to work on busybox anymore. It's #ifdef salad with windows support and buckets of magic just to declare an applet's main(). |
| 21:14.52 | prpplague | landley: yea, i'd love to have a variation of busybox/toybox designed for boardbringup |
| 21:14.58 | landley | Two lines of magic tags to redundantly declare an applet main. That's... not right. |
| 21:15.08 | prpplague | landley: indeed |
| 21:15.40 | landley | Yesterday he added infrastructure to build against bionic. The armv5l binary I put up on busybox.net works just fine on android. |
| 21:15.41 | sjhill | prpplague: i did the initial NPTL work, yes |
| 21:15.48 | sjhill | it was for the MIPS platform |
| 21:16.05 | landley | I can't entirely object, but at the same time where are the boundaries of the project? What can you say no to? I dunno the answer to that question anymore... |
| 21:16.06 | sjhill | landley is correct |
| 21:16.14 | sjhill | once broadcom paid me, i released the code |
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| 21:16.51 | prpplague | landley: yea i've been hacking around with busybox built against bionic as well |
| 21:17.21 | landley | prpplague: how is it? |
| 21:17.54 | prpplague | landley: re boundaries, when busybox was young, there real guidelines as to how it was being developed, now its throw the kitchen sink in |
| 21:17.59 | prpplague | landley: not too bad |
| 21:18.13 | prpplague | landley: i've been trying to develop a minimal diagnostics build for android |
| 21:18.13 | landley | sjhill: I have nothing against sponsored development. I am a bit annoyed that Erik didn't put his foot down when Manuel and such were chasing guys like Peter away fromt he tree because putting code into the repo was messing up their out of tree work. |
| 21:18.20 | prpplague | landley: to help with porting and debugging |
| 21:18.33 | landley | But he was a bit distracted by buildroot, his company, and his family... |
| 21:18.54 | landley | prpplague: did you try the binary I put in http://busybox.net/downloads/binaries/latest ? |
| 21:18.59 | landley | Works fine on android last I checked. |
| 21:19.12 | landley | The armv5l one is just about universal. |
| 21:19.30 | landley | (It's "defconfig" with /bin/sh changed to point to hush instead of ash.) |
| 21:19.54 | prpplague | landley: i haven't tried that binary |
| 21:19.59 | landley | Statically linked against uClibc 0.9.31. Next version should be against 0.9.32. |
| 21:20.12 | landley | I keep meaning to update the FAQ but it moved to another repo and thus to my todo list... |
| 21:21.41 | landley | prpplague: I haven't found anything that _doesn't_ work on an android kernel, modulo bits of /proc being missing which are going to suck on bionic just as much. |
| 21:22.14 | prpplague | landley: yea i've been doing the static as well |
| 21:22.25 | landley | Mostly they didn't remove stuff from the kernel, they just added random additional crap. (In the name of making their embeddedsystem smaller and simpler, they took a policy of adding stuff and never removing any. Brilliant.) |
| 21:22.43 | landley | Well, in the kernel anyway. Userspace they flushed, which given the FSF I can't blame them. |
| 21:23.06 | prpplague | landley: yea, i;ve been trying to do some builds that basically use the android builds but in a more traditional sysv configuration |
| 21:23.15 | prpplague | landley: mainly just to understand functionality |
| 21:24.29 | landley | "The RFC forgot to send an army with you, so it cannot expect to be obeyed. In the GNU Project, we do not obey standards..." - RMS |
| 21:24.38 | landley | Quote from http://lwn.net/Articles/449524 |
| 21:24.46 | landley | Yes, I _entirely_ understand Android wanting to flush userspace. |
| 21:24.55 | landley | But they shoulda gone with busybox and uClibc. Oh well. |
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| 21:26.55 | prpplague | landley: yea it was a license thing |
| 21:27.31 | landley | Personally I find Nina Paley far more effective than the FSF combined. http://mimiandeunice.com/2011/06/07/censorship-vs-copyright/ |