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| 17:29.45 | landley | CosmicPenguin: the real yield on the 10 year t-bond has been negative for a while, hasn't it? |
| 17:30.31 | landley | That's one reason the whole "The feds CAN'T use debt to stimulate the economy, they'd be borrowing money at 0% to mobilize idle resources, that's madness!" shows that one of our political parties does not understand finance at all. |
| 17:31.15 | ohsix | they certainly dont acknowledge that people are buying it |
| 17:31.49 | ohsix | where do they think treasury gets that stuff |
| 17:31.56 | landley | By the way, if you don't believe Barack Obama is Herbert Hoover reincarnated, watch http://youtu.be/D9yoZHs6PsU |
| 17:32.42 | landley | Well, listen anyway. |
| 17:33.49 | landley | I mean really, just the title... |
| 17:34.09 | landley | Who caused the problem, who fixed the problem, and who _was_ the problem? |
| 17:34.23 | landley | Nobody remembers "yellow journalism" when discussing the murdoch scandal either. |
| 17:34.34 | landley | I mean... DUDE. Been there, done that. Honestly. |
| 17:34.53 | landley | How can you be "conservative" wanting to stick with the tried and true proven solutions, yet simultaneously be completely ignorant of history? |
| 17:34.54 | landley | PICK ONE. |
| 17:36.41 | ohsix | you just pick the one you want, history was never material |
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| 17:41.00 | landley | http://youtu.be/SUZGkNAUSvY |
| 17:41.16 | landley | http://youtube.com/kTe4paRPEM4 |
| 17:41.49 | landley | Honestly, can I dig FDR up and vote for him again? |
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| 17:56.56 | T0mW | landley: I'm waiting for them to start dropping bundles of money from helicopters... |
| 17:57.14 | T0mW | Bomb the economy with dollars |
| 17:58.42 | ohsix | impossible, there's not enough childrens backs to match the rhetoric |
| 18:00.19 | T0mW | wait, the way I figure it is this way: all those mexicans have big families, the children will all have jobs when I retire, so, the illegal aliens will be paying my SS. |
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| 18:15.25 | prpplague | T0mW: ping |
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| 18:24.04 | T0mW | prpplague: yessir |
| 18:24.24 | prpplague | T0mW: need your wisdom and experience |
| 18:24.36 | T0mW | reaches for his pipe and cold cuppa coffee. |
| 18:24.53 | T0mW | prpplague: brb, I have warm coffee elsewhere |
| 18:25.10 | prpplague | T0mW: if you can;t find in a part datasheet explicit definition of pins using open collector, is there is any clues you can gain from other sections of data? |
| 18:27.13 | T0mW | prpplague: you mean for loading, current output, voltage & such? |
| 18:27.50 | prpplague | yea |
| 18:28.14 | prpplague | T0mW: verses a totem pole output |
| 18:29.18 | T0mW | prpplague: seen that before, generally I look to see if there is a spec for IoH and VoH for outputs which does not reference a pin: e.g. IoH(reset), or IoL(watchdog). |
| 18:30.04 | prpplague | hmmm |
| 18:30.09 | prpplague | will have to test that |
| 18:30.44 | T0mW | "open collector" can mean a FET and the outputs can be anything. Generally, I would go with the basic family definition. For example, if I were using 74HC then I would expect 1ma loading. |
| 18:31.17 | T0mW | 1ma on output current i meant. 0.1ma input current. |
| 18:31.27 | T0mW | follow the family. |
| 18:31.31 | SpeedEvil | If it's I2C, then 4k7 for example is pretty common pullup to expect |
| 18:31.42 | T0mW | yes |
| 18:32.15 | T0mW | very low current with 3.3v supplies with 4k7, generally, I use 10K on 3volt stuff. |
| 18:32.21 | T0mW | depends. |
| 18:32.41 | T0mW | sometimes harder pullup if very fast output signals. |
| 18:33.41 | T0mW | prpplague: in general, I would expect open collector to have a Vmax of 30v and an Imax of 10ma |
| 18:33.46 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, i was looking at the so called datasheet for the ft2232H |
| 18:33.56 | T0mW | LOL |
| 18:33.57 | prpplague | T0mW: it is pretty vague |
| 18:34.03 | T0mW | "so called" |
| 18:35.17 | T0mW | you want to bang your head, look at the mech drawing for some of the micro-SD sockets! Dunno WTF they learned to do a drawing, the reference points are INSIDE the freakin' outer boundaries of the device. |
| 18:35.46 | T0mW | you work with negative offsets from the origin for placing some of the mounting pads |
| 18:36.40 | T0mW | one device had the origin as pin 1. |
| 18:37.21 | T0mW | prpplague: all right, I've got one for you. |
| 18:37.40 | T0mW | prpplague: I've been hunting for days for this answer. |
| 18:38.16 | prpplague | will try to answer |
| 18:38.48 | T0mW | prpplague: with u-boot, I want to use the USB Host for a keyboard on an S3C2440 design. AFAICT, the usb start enumerates the Host end point but does nothing else. |
| 18:38.59 | T0mW | prpplague: UPLL is 48MHz. |
| 18:39.36 | T0mW | prpplague: do you know of any board that actually has usb working on an S3C2440 core? |
| 18:39.45 | T0mW | in u-boot |
| 18:40.00 | prpplague | T0mW: sorry it has been ages since i did anything with s3c24xx |
| 18:40.10 | prpplague | T0mW: i started a #s3cxxxx channel |
| 18:40.16 | prpplague | T0mW: maybe ask there? |
| 18:40.28 | T0mW | prpplague: thanks, will check in there. |
| 18:41.18 | SpeedEvil | ponders. |
| 18:42.01 | SpeedEvil | I have a 2410 device, but I don't think that does usb in uboot. |
| 18:42.16 | SpeedEvil | It is however a really old version. |
| 18:42.38 | T0mW | prpplague: I see Mr Dooks is there. |
| 18:44.01 | T0mW | SpeedEvil: yeah, I've googled the heck out of this and downloaded countless u-boot source, it all looks useless (same as what I've got). |
| 18:44.21 | T0mW | The USB works fine under the linux kernel: gadget and host. |
| 18:44.29 | SpeedEvil | Openmoko neo1973 |
| 18:44.41 | T0mW | SpeedEvil: that your version? |
| 18:45.09 | T0mW | SpeedEvil: heh, I'd like to find someone who says that they've done it, know what I mean? |
| 18:45.25 | T0mW | maybe the code is "in there" but is useless... |
| 18:47.21 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/U-boot hmm |
| 18:47.33 | SpeedEvil | Actually - I vaguely do remember it |
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