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| 14:55.23 | Mirell | HEY |
| 14:55.25 | Mirell | prpplague |
| 14:55.27 | Mirell | HOW'S GOLD |
| 14:55.41 | prpplague | Mirell: hehe down alot |
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| 14:55.46 | prpplague | Mirell: still good though |
| 14:55.59 | prpplague | Mirell: i'll be back up soon as the double dip hits |
| 14:56.06 | prpplague | s/i'll/it'll |
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| 14:58.44 | Mirell | Just saw a tweet by someone that it was down by 10% |
| 14:58.59 | Mirell | My first thought was, gotta bug David to see how he's doing |
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| 15:01.24 | prpplague | Mirell: hehe indeed |
| 15:01.43 | prpplague | Mirell: it's more like 6% |
| 15:02.56 | prpplague | Mirell: even with that, i'm still up more than 100% |
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| 15:19.57 | Mirell | So, you're doing about as well as a matching 401k |
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| 16:00.40 | landley | prpplague: double dip? President Hoover's doing his best to reenact the Great Depression. |
| 16:00.59 | landley | (Cutting spending during a liquidity crisis. Sigh. Nobody studies history anymore.) |
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| 16:19.09 | landley | Admittedly the Tories in britain are doing the exact same thing, with the same results: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/8718999/Business-investment-set-to-hit-record-low-amid-fears-for-UK-growth.html |
| 16:28.45 | landley | (What I don't understand is a political party that doesn't BELIEVE in science: evolution, Keynsian economics, global warming... Dude, you don't get to have opinions about reality. Doesn't work that way. Reality is what keeps happening when you DON'T believe in it...) |
| 16:28.46 | landley | Oh well. |
| 16:29.12 | landley | Did I mention I got Aboriginal 1.0.3 out yesterday morning? |
| 16:29.40 | landley | And Laurent Vivier is helping me get in m68k board in qemu to test that platform with. :) |
| 16:30.09 | landley | And I get a month off from work after the 31st, which I've got a dozen things queued up for... |
| 16:30.20 | kergoth__ | nice |
| 16:32.16 | landley | I need to get NTPL working (and full LFS bootstrap including glibc and current gcc/binutils), I need to redo the kernel's chroot() functionality to actually reparent the mount tree (with a --bind) mount if necessary... |
| 16:54.50 | prpplague | Mirell: technically i'm up 229% |
| 16:55.13 | prpplague | Mirell: i'm pretty sure there aren't too many 401k's that have 229% return |
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| 17:00.08 | Mirell | You're up 100%, but technically it's 229%? |
| 17:00.24 | Mirell | My initial statement is still valid based on the information presented. |
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| 17:00.31 | prpplague | <prpplague> Mirell: even with that, i'm still up more than 100% |
| 17:00.36 | prpplague | more than 100% |
| 17:00.52 | Mirell | Right, |
| 17:01.00 | Mirell | That's like saying I have more than $1 in my bank account |
| 17:01.05 | Mirell | It's really $1,219 |
| 17:01.20 | landley | I still want to gold plate a tulip bulb, but nobody would get the joke. :) |
| 17:01.40 | SpeedEvil | It's pretty obvious. |
| 17:01.49 | Mirell | Generally, I would say, it's up more than 200% |
| 17:01.59 | SpeedEvil | Gold plating a soap bubble would be more fun. |
| 17:02.00 | Mirell | Really, it's up more than 1%! |
| 17:02.03 | prpplague | Mirell: indeed, that is what i should have stated |
| 17:02.11 | Mirell | Very well. ^.- |
| 17:02.15 | prpplague | Mirell: i was doing it in comparison to the 10% down |
| 17:02.22 | Mirell | It's 10% up! |
| 17:02.26 | Mirell | At least! |
| 17:03.14 | prpplague | Mirell: besides, my gold investment wasn't meant as a retirement account, i simply want to make sure i have something that is tradeable to other currencies |
| 17:03.23 | prpplague | Mirell: besides the USD |
| 17:03.46 | Mirell | Bitcoins. |
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| 17:04.09 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:05.20 | prpplague | Mirell: for simple minded people like me, having gold and silver is a solid investment |
| 17:07.25 | CosmicPenguin | Gold isn't an investment, it is a hedge |
| 17:08.26 | prpplague | as long as it stays ahead of inflation, i'm happy |
| 17:08.48 | CosmicPenguin | Everything is staying ahead of inflation |
| 17:11.38 | landley | They've increased the monetary base 20% in the past 3 years to avoid _deflation_, and we're still flirting with it. |
| 17:11.52 | landley | (When cash is an appreciating asset, spending _stops_. Of course, we're there now...) |
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| 17:12.37 | CosmicPenguin | 10 year t-bond real yield is at a robust .25% |
| 17:12.49 | CosmicPenguin | Let the good times roll |
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| 17:30.31 | landley | CosmicPenguin: because having interest rates at 0% gives banks all the incentive in the world to issue new loans. "Sure, we'll approve your mortgage, when hell freezes over..." |
| 17:31.03 | prpplague | landley: hehe |
| 17:32.13 | landley | And of course now is _not_ the time for the government to borrow, when it's essentially FREE to do so and you can lock 25 year interest rates on it. Now is the time to pay down the debt. That's... not thought through. |
| 17:34.10 | landley | Honestly, http://bradhicks.livejournal.com/422902.html was true 80 years ago and it's still true now... |
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| 19:30.30 | landley | My $250 netbook is faster than this VM on a relatively fire-breathing PC. |
| 19:30.42 | kergoth__ | heh |
| 19:30.43 | kergoth__ | ouch |
| 19:32.00 | landley | I note that the netbook has a dual processor 64 bit chip somewhere north of a gigahertz with a meg of L2 cache. It's actually a fairly snappy little box... |
| 19:33.46 | SpeedEvil | I'm still kinda boggling that my phone had a gigahertz processor and a gig of RAM. |
| 19:34.15 | landley | Mainframe -> minicomputer -> microcomputer -> smartphone |
| 19:34.32 | landley | There's a reason successful tablets are big phones, not small PCs. |
| 19:34.37 | SpeedEvil | -> washing machine |
| 19:35.10 | landley | Nope, the next step would have to be smaller and cheaper, the washing machine is neither. |
| 19:35.40 | SpeedEvil | clone game-console out of china. |
| 19:35.55 | landley | Embedded dedicated computing has been around for decades. My old 1995 car has a fairly extensive onboard computer. |
| 19:36.22 | SpeedEvil | Indeed - embedded isn't just 8 bits and 1K ROM, and hasn't been for a long time. |
| 19:36.24 | landley | SpeedEvil: nope. Game console is wired to wall current and requires a TV for display, it's not going anywhere. Phone is the computer you take with you. |
| 19:36.44 | SpeedEvil | By game console, I mean something like the GBA type clones. |
| 19:36.55 | SpeedEvil | I missed ou tthe word portable. |
| 19:37.01 | landley | Smart phone isn't embedded. It's the new general purpose computing device, it's just still in the "Apple II vs Commodore 64" stage, has yet to be fully commoditized. |
| 19:37.15 | landley | The GBA was out in the 80's, wasn't general purpose. |
| 19:37.19 | SpeedEvil | I've been climbing up on my roof today installing solar. |
| 19:37.35 | landley | All you need for a Nexus One to replace your PC is a native compiler and a USB docking station. |
| 19:37.50 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - I think we were talking of slightly different things - exhausted for some reason. :) |
| 19:37.57 | landley | At that point it's self hosting and can do anything your PC can do. |
| 19:38.22 | landley | That's why it displaces the PC. If you carry a computer with you 24/7, what do you need the PC for? Why not just hook the fancy display peripherals to your phone? |
| 19:38.22 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. I've got got gcc installed on my phone. |
| 19:38.49 | landley | The micro/PC replaced the mini for the same reason, why bother to telnet into the server in the back room when you've got a perfectly good computer on yoru desk you don't have to share with anybody. |
| 19:39.08 | landley | Mini replaced the mainframe because your department has a computer it doesn't have to share with the rest of the company... |
| 19:39.40 | landley | Each time the jump was to a LESS powerful machine, but which had a categorical freedom the previous one didn't. |
| 19:40.04 | SpeedEvil | I totally agree - I thought for a moment you were talking of the progression of computing power into lower end devices, not into smaller/cheaper for the sake of conveniece. |
| 19:40.09 | landley | To be categorically more convenient than the smart phone, a device would have to be implanted or disposable or something. |
| 19:40.32 | landley | Either way, we've got a couple decades to wait, judging by history. :) |
| 19:41.05 | SpeedEvil | To a degree. To be more convenient for me, it needs to be like my nokia 3310. |
| 19:41.15 | landley | I'm talking about the 4 generational shifts we've had in our mainstream computing devices. "The desktop" is now a thing you hold in your hand. |
| 19:41.21 | SpeedEvil | 'Oh - I'm sitting on my phone. That's uncomfortable, I need to move soon' |
| 19:41.25 | landley | Oh they'll fluff out phones into PC replacements. |
| 19:41.31 | SpeedEvil | vs 'OMG - have I broken the screen?' |
| 19:41.50 | landley | Keep in mind the early micros were locked down single-vendor devices like the Apple II, Atari 800, Vic 20... |
| 19:42.28 | landley | The S100 systems sidled into the PC, which was cloned and commoditized. |
| 19:42.30 | SpeedEvil | Of course, software lockin is the new shiny lockin. |
| 19:43.05 | landley | It'll collapse under its own weight the way all the previous ones have. |
| 19:43.11 | SpeedEvil | In some ways in some markets it looks remarkably like we're back to renting hardware and software. |
| 19:43.31 | SpeedEvil | Phones with contracts vs IBM mainframes. |
| 19:43.35 | landley | On the phone we are. Vendor lock-in for the data plan brings the rest with it. |
| 19:44.07 | landley | Unfortunately we have to wait for the baby boomers to die off before anything starts deregulating. Look to Korea and such to get this right and the US to trail along years later, as we've done with everything for a while now. |
| 19:44.23 | landley | Until the baby boomers die off, this country has no future, just a big looming past. |
| 19:44.28 | kergoth__ | heh, I don't know many people who have actual desktops anymore, mostly people that still do PC gaming |
| 19:44.54 | SpeedEvil | I've been running off older laptops for a couple of years now. |
| 19:44.57 | landley | Yeah, but he Laptop even through my netbook is still part of the PC generation. |
| 19:45.02 | SpeedEvil | Currently I'm on a thinkpad x60s. |
| 19:45.03 | landley | Keep in mind they had a "Microvax". |
| 19:45.16 | SpeedEvil | And annoyed that I can't really upgrade to a 4:3 screen. |
| 19:45.32 | SpeedEvil | And yes - phone is a whole new paradigm. |
| 19:46.06 | landley | Most people _don't_ have their netbook with them 24/7. It's not next to their bed while they sleep, not in their pocket at all times, they can't pull it out for 30 seconds of use at a time. |
| 19:46.16 | SpeedEvil | Exactly. |
| 19:46.25 | landley | It's not designed around that, and the retrofits are kinda creaky and straining. |
| 19:46.53 | SpeedEvil | Ipad is - sorta - meant for that. |
| 19:47.13 | landley | (I switched to laptops in 1998. 486 thinkpad with the butterfly keyboard. That was a nice box.) |
| 19:47.15 | SpeedEvil | But it's not a 24*7 device |
| 19:47.28 | SpeedEvil | For most, at least. |
| 19:47.48 | landley | The ipad is a bigger display attatched to the iPhone software. |
| 19:48.02 | SpeedEvil | Exactly. |
| 19:49.16 | landley | http://us.toshiba.com/accessory/PA3575U-1PRP |
| 19:49.39 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 19:49.44 | SpeedEvil | + usb host on phone |
| 19:49.54 | landley | That's just one example: a single USB connection can give you pretty much the world of I/O devices. |
| 19:50.12 | landley | Plus it supplies power to the device, and now we have USB3. |
| 19:50.28 | landley | No need for the PC anymore. |
| 19:50.47 | landley | Of course every time this shift happens the old thing gets kicked up into the server space. |
| 19:51.10 | SpeedEvil | PC can be lots cheaper bang for buck. But many users don't need the bang. |
| 19:51.12 | landley | You used to submit mainframe batched cards and wait around for the result, then the mainframe became a server and the minicomputer was what your terminal was wired to. |
| 19:51.29 | landley | Then the minicomputer became the department server and everybody had a PC on their desk. |
| 19:51.55 | landley | Now we're kicking PC clusters up into the server space with a layer of emulation software providing live image migration, and we're calling it "the cloud". Oooh, spooky. |
| 19:52.13 | landley | It's the exact same "getting kicked up into the server space" that the previous two generations went through, only we have shiny new marketing buzzwords for it... |
| 19:52.17 | SpeedEvil | There are interesting things i've heard about encrypted computation. |
| 19:52.29 | SpeedEvil | Will be interesting to see how that pans out. |
| 19:52.44 | SpeedEvil | I haven't looked into it, I imagine the performance penalty is hideous. |
| 19:52.54 | landley | I initially read that as hilarious. |
| 19:53.17 | SpeedEvil | That too. :) |
| 19:53.32 | landley | Power's getting more expensive. |
| 19:53.40 | SpeedEvil | I was about to raise that. |
| 19:53.41 | landley | Cloud clusters are being specced with Arm and Atom chips because of that. |
| 19:53.48 | SpeedEvil | Hence the above comment about being on roof. |
| 19:53.53 | SpeedEvil | Solar-thermal. |
| 19:54.00 | landley | So yeah you can throw CPU at the problem all you want but you may still pay for it. |
| 19:54.03 | SpeedEvil | Pays off in 2-4 years. |
| 19:54.09 | landley | SpeedEvil: wind is still far more efficient than solar. |
| 19:54.21 | landley | Both are intermittent sources. |
| 19:54.27 | SpeedEvil | I have a couple of kilos of solar cells I am in the process of designing panels for. |
| 19:54.40 | SpeedEvil | Solar-thermal is actually very good. |
| 19:55.01 | landley | We could have thrown money at the problem and done hydrogen, but that would have been forward-looking and the baby boomers are allergic to newfangled. |
| 19:55.04 | SpeedEvil | Solar-pv is a 4 or so year payback in my case. |
| 19:55.20 | SpeedEvil | At least as long as I stay around the 600W peak output size. |
| 19:56.00 | SpeedEvil | The government here is pushing 'the solar industry' Which is no such thing. It's monkeys on roofs. |
| 19:56.31 | SpeedEvil | You get $.60/kWh of generated power - but only if you have the magically certified panels installed by the magic power people. |
| 19:56.49 | SpeedEvil | Whos panels are perhaps 2.5-3* over market. |
| 19:57.44 | SpeedEvil | Decent batteries would be a game-changer of course. |
| 19:59.41 | landley | http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2011/01/110811-turning-carbon-emissions-into-fuel |
| 20:00.01 | landley | Sigh. hard to type long urls, trying again... |
| 20:00.17 | landley | http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2011/08/110811-turning-carbon-emissions-into-fuel |
| 20:00.32 | landley | There we go. |
| 20:02.02 | SpeedEvil | Solarthermogenic fuel. |
| 20:02.10 | landley | Or wind. |
| 20:02.11 | SpeedEvil | Seen the same proposed for radiothermogenic. |
| 20:02.29 | landley | A lithium-oxygen battery would be good. |
| 20:02.57 | SpeedEvil | If I was absolute ruler of the UK, I'd be ramping up nuclear to ~20* its current level, and putting _all_ of the fixed loads onto it. |
| 20:02.58 | landley | Anything that stores more power than gasoline by weight that doesn't use oxygen isn't going to be based on chemistry, it'd have to be nuclear or something. |
| 20:03.24 | SpeedEvil | Leaving only some transport running on (expensive, imported) oil. |
| 20:03.40 | landley | Half the energy from burning gasoline comes from the oxygen, we live in a high energetic, unstable corrosive atmosphere continually ramped up by biological activity over billions of years. |
| 20:04.19 | landley | highly |
| 20:04.50 | landley | The point is we only have to carry around half the weight of the fuel we burn because the other half is all around us. |
| 20:05.34 | SpeedEvil | Li-O, or some other regeneratable thing, yes. Even methae powered fuelcell. |
| 20:05.37 | landley | Any energy system that doesn't use that has a serious problem trying to be remotely competitive in the amps per weight category. |
| 20:06.08 | landley | Fuel cells burn hydrogen, the methane's just a way to generate hydrogen in situ with catalysts. Gets us back to hydrogen which we can electrolyze from water easily. |
| 20:06.37 | landley | It also leaks osmotically through standard storage equipment and pipes. :) |
| 20:07.16 | SpeedEvil | Or is stored at sillily low temperatures. |
| 20:07.27 | SpeedEvil | And densities that are utterly hideous. |
| 20:08.33 | SpeedEvil | If only little IC engines were as good as big ones. |
| 20:08.37 | SpeedEvil | Big ones can hit 50% |
| 20:10.01 | landley | SpeedEvil They finally got little windmills about as efficient as the big ones. They made 'em vertical and did math. |
| 20:10.27 | SpeedEvil | Not really. |
| 20:10.38 | SpeedEvil | Sure - as efficient in terms of incident wind. |
| 20:11.14 | SpeedEvil | But the incident wind near the ground is - in most cases - much smaller than that at a few dozen metres. |
| 20:14.11 | landley | http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20110613232554data_trunc_sys.shtml |
| 20:15.13 | SpeedEvil | Interesting. |
| 20:15.52 | SpeedEvil | So not actually disagreeing with what I was saying, quite, but for multiple turbines only. |
| 20:16.06 | SpeedEvil | I think I'm only allowed one by planning regulations. |
| 20:16.51 | SpeedEvil | And that has to be - comparatively - tiny. |
| 20:17.13 | landley | shrugs |
| 20:17.21 | SpeedEvil | Solar-thermal is a clear winner, and then solar-pv. I'm in a fairly calm area. Oh - and insulation/powee reduction before all else. |
| 20:17.33 | landley | This is all existing technology that we can scale up today. No new game-changing discoveries required, just incremental development. |
| 20:17.38 | SpeedEvil | Which is another area where the growth of smartphone as computing platform comes in. |
| 20:17.42 | landley | What does obama do? Build a pipeline into canadian oil shale deposits. |
| 20:17.43 | landley | Sigh. |
| 20:18.42 | SpeedEvil | I've got my base computing load down to ~40W, getting much lower would be tricky. |
| 20:18.52 | SpeedEvil | Energy efficiency's where it's at. |
| 20:18.59 | landley | I'm in downtown austin, I haven't got space to erect a wind turbine, and the building's a condo so getting roof access is fiddly. |
| 20:19.00 | SpeedEvil | At least at the moment. |
| 20:19.43 | landley | A nice house went on the market yesterday (I have an email thingy that sends 'em to me), about twice what mine's currently worth... and the annual property tax is $10k. |
| 20:19.46 | landley | Mine's $2k. |
| 20:19.58 | landley | That's... kinda painful. |
| 20:20.15 | landley | Downside of a place having an actual _yard_, as opposed to being a condo. |
| 20:20.35 | SpeedEvil | converts... |
| 20:20.52 | SpeedEvil | Mine is $1800 or so, for 1/3 arcre. |
| 20:21.06 | landley | One of those "even if I pay it off, I'd still have a largeish bill to live there". |
| 20:21.13 | landley | SpeedEvil: yeah, but I'm downtown in a city. |
| 20:21.35 | landley | I live within walking distance of five different starbucks locations. |
| 20:21.43 | SpeedEvil | Recurring bills are what I'm trying to nail down. |
| 20:21.46 | SpeedEvil | Hence the solar. |
| 20:22.11 | SpeedEvil | And the seemingly neverending insulation project. |
| 20:24.55 | landley | By the way, since nobody read the bradhicks livejournal post, here's http://voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/5823 nobody'll read either. :) |
| 20:25.27 | landley | (Yes, I actually try to understand macroeconomics.) |
| 20:25.55 | CosmicPenguin | The problem with that is that the people who are in charge of macroeconomics don't understand macroeconomics |
| 20:27.05 | landley | As far as I can tell, the reason it has such a bad reputation is that when the richest 500 people in the country control more wealth than the bottom 100 million, taxing the rich is required to keep the system in balance. |
| 20:27.31 | landley | Rich people don't like that, so they pay think tanks to come up with excuses not to tax the rich, just like they come up with armies of accountants to find loopholes to avoid paying tax. |
| 20:28.03 | landley | It's a bit like climate science and tobacco's health effects that way... |
| 20:28.21 | landley | Science vs entrenched economic interests. Always good for a smokescreen... |
| 20:29.29 | CosmicPenguin | The slick trick is that the entrenched economic interests managed to convince everybody else that they were right |
| 20:29.29 | landley | CosmicPenguin: thinking that billionaires would be good at economic policy is like thinking atheletes would make good surgeons. |
| 20:29.50 | landley | A gold medal does not qualify one to "scrub in". |
| 20:30.59 | landley | CosmicPenguin: they whipped up "climategate" out of whole cloth just so our oil-driven economy could buy another decade or two unregulated, and that's just a side issue. |
| 20:31.09 | CosmicPenguin | I expect billionares to expect their taxes to be lower and to be for supply side economic policy |
| 20:31.22 | CosmicPenguin | What I don't expect is for somebody making $50,000 a year to agree |
| 20:31.36 | landley | Actually, lots of billionaires would like to be taxed more. YOu saw Warren Buffet's editorial about that? |
| 20:32.09 | landley | There's a small number of really vicious bastards, ala Rupert Murdoch and the Koch Brothers, to whom $20 million to finance an entire election campaign is pocket change. |
| 20:32.21 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, but Buffet is special. Lets just say I wouldn't begrudge somebody in that position to lobby for their best interests |
| 20:32.43 | landley | Buffett takes a long-term view. It's in his best interest for the dollar not to collapse and the seas not to rise. |
| 20:32.48 | ohsix | my uncle actually got really mad the other day talking up a "fair tax", couldn't reason about it, but could say that he pays a third of his wages in tax |
| 20:32.53 | landley | He just doesn't care that he personally won't be around to get hit by the fallout. |
| 20:32.56 | ohsix | he doesn't have any capital gains though ;] |
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| 20:36.13 | landley | http://ow.ly/1eo6zG |
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| 20:37.10 | landley | It's called "regulatory capture". It's the bog standard "cornering the market is how you get rich" impulse of capitalism as applied to government. Buy off the regulators. |
| 20:38.10 | landley | It's a fairly normal cyclical thing, long-term. Corruption builds up until people revolt and kill those responsible. |
| 20:38.38 | landley | If it doesn't happen much for a generation in a given country, everybody's sure it can't happen here. |
| 20:39.00 | landley | And thus Cameron's responding to london schoolchildren protesting with "kettling", and gets riots setting things on fire a few months later. |
| 20:39.15 | landley | To which he responds with a wave of arrests rather than addressing anybody's grievances. That's likely to end well. |
| 20:39.40 | landley | shrugs. |
| 20:39.59 | landley | History repeats itself, nobody bothers studying it anymore. Sad. |
| 20:40.15 | landley | Nobody said "yellow journalism" even once during the Murdoch scandal. How do you miss a target that big? |
| 20:56.48 | Mirell | Uh. |
| 20:56.49 | Mirell | http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=murdoc+scandal+yellow+journalism |
| 20:57.31 | landley | Oh good, somebody was on the ball. |
| 20:57.45 | landley | Nobody in any of my feeds did though, I should go read these... |
| 20:58.09 | Mirell | Slate is overall a pretty good read. |
| 21:01.36 | Mirell | Man, so many agencies to poke after a name change |
| 21:08.32 | landley | Mirell: Including your description here. |
| 21:09.16 | landley | The slate extract was just a chunk of a book about a trumped-up severed head story, though. |
| 21:09.42 | Mirell | Ah, I just glanced at it. |
| 21:09.45 | landley | I get linked to slate a lot but don't particularly follow them feed-wise. They go through funny periods of restricting their content... |
| 21:10.03 | landley | How is "Tyrn" pronounced, anyway? |
| 21:10.20 | Mirell | Trinity, except no inity. |
| 21:10.29 | landley | Ok. |
| 21:16.56 | landley | I'd guess Fade knows the full set of organizations to poke about name changes. |
| 21:17.06 | Mirell | Yes, we've been in contact. |
| 21:19.47 | landley | Ok, that's _weird_: http://www.latimes.com/health/boostershots/la-heb-suicide-military-omega3-20110824,0,2247762.story |
| 21:21.18 | landley | I hope that sometime within the next century we'll at least begin to understand BASIC NUTRITION. |
| 21:21.27 | SpeedEvil | Bing Bing Bing. |
| 21:21.31 | SpeedEvil | Bogometer explosion. |
| 21:21.46 | Mirell | landley: We don't even understand how much salt one should consume. |
| 21:21.59 | SpeedEvil | 1600 is a _very_ small population to draw conclusions from. |
| 21:22.27 | Mirell | Depends on the genetic variation. |
| 21:22.28 | landley | SpeedEvil: sure. But it's larger than most first stage research studies manage. |
| 21:22.35 | SpeedEvil | sure. |
| 21:22.37 | landley | Lotsa stuff does. |
| 21:22.38 | SpeedEvil | Oh - I misread. |
| 21:22.54 | SpeedEvil | 800 actual suicides. |
| 21:24.20 | SpeedEvil | I _HATE_ the fact that usually you can't get to the original paper on these studies without hitting a paywall. |
| 21:27.48 | landley | Gotta reboot my VM... |
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| 22:20.19 | SpeedEvil | http://elinux.org/RaspberryPiBoard#Components looks to be burbling along. Booting hardware now. |
| 22:20.20 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
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