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| 22:56.08 | edboogie2011 | TC1121COA |
| 22:56.21 | edboogie2011 | Hi, can anyone recommend a good PCB assembly company or contract manufacturer in the Quebec Canada area? I'm looking for low cost for small runs about 100. I live in New York USA, but I figured canda would be cheaper?!? maybe I m wrong.. |
| 22:58.11 | nullpuppy | I haven't found a cheap source for PCB assembly, unfortunately. anywhere. |
| 22:59.09 | edboogie2011 | really? nullpuppy: maybe you are expecting really cheap |
| 22:59.20 | nullpuppy | *shrugs* perhaps. |
| 22:59.22 | edboogie2011 | i heard $0.05 or 0.06 a component |
| 22:59.26 | edboogie2011 | in america |
| 22:59.30 | edboogie2011 | which is expesive |
| 22:59.35 | edboogie2011 | and $0.02 for china |
| 22:59.40 | nullpuppy | ok. |
| 23:01.03 | edboogie2011 | that gives you a good reference in what you should be expected to be charged.. just so that you don't get ripped off.. I hate the quoting process.. its annoying.. |
| 23:01.30 | nullpuppy | yeah, no kidding. |
| 23:01.58 | nullpuppy | we're doing our own assembly, but then, our demand isn't huge so, we get away with it. |
| 23:02.01 | nullpuppy | pita though :) |
| 23:02.19 | nullpuppy | sucks at the moment though, since we can't get the GPS module we've been relying on :/ |
| 23:02.31 | edboogie2011 | you own your own pick and place machine? or you do it manually? |
| 23:02.53 | nullpuppy | all manually. |
| 23:03.07 | edboogie2011 | wow, thats hardcore |
| 23:03.17 | nullpuppy | pick and place is one of those things we dream of getting eventually |
| 23:03.32 | edboogie2011 | isn't buying GPS modules so expensive nd hurt your bottomline? why not design your own GPS circuits |
| 23:03.59 | nullpuppy | we're heading that way, since we can't get the ones we were using. |
| 23:04.34 | edboogie2011 | yeah that sucks that your realy on a off-the-shelf part |
| 23:05.08 | nullpuppy | yeah. and shitty distributors :) |
| 23:05.46 | edboogie2011 | may I ask, what does your GPS product do? |
| 23:06.02 | nullpuppy | http://www.tragiclittleaerospace.com |
| 23:06.07 | nullpuppy | hobby rocket telemtry :) |
| 23:06.09 | edboogie2011 | A low power GPS logger for law enforcement would be a cool product |
| 23:06.11 | nullpuppy | *telemetry |
| 23:06.32 | edboogie2011 | oh shoot |
| 23:06.38 | edboogie2011 | thats basicly what I meant |
| 23:06.41 | edboogie2011 | cool man |
| 23:06.51 | edboogie2011 | so its logs your coordinates on flash memory? |
| 23:06.56 | edboogie2011 | basicly? |
| 23:07.02 | nullpuppy | :) yeah, been using xbee's and the falcom fsa03 module. |
| 23:07.21 | edboogie2011 | well what is the xbee for? to communicate coordinates back to a reciever? |
| 23:07.28 | nullpuppy | nope, just transmits via wireless to receiver, reciever is basically just a xbee to serial conversion. |
| 23:07.34 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 23:07.38 | edboogie2011 | ahh cool |
| 23:07.49 | edboogie2011 | yeah my idea was a little simpler, just datalog |
| 23:08.05 | nullpuppy | yeah, the current rev is pretty dumb, in that regard. eventually we'll add more. but.. R&D requires money we don't have :) |
| 23:08.38 | edboogie2011 | cool man.. yeah I see a lot of people integrating off the shelf boards into their designs. like xBee modules and wifi modules |
| 23:08.40 | nullpuppy | we fly rockets, and wanted GPS data to track where the rocket went, for easy recovery/tracking. |
| 23:08.46 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 23:08.51 | edboogie2011 | a lot of the time, their are single ICs that do most of the work of those modules |
| 23:08.58 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 23:09.18 | edboogie2011 | its just a bit of annoying reading and laying out PCBs |
| 23:09.27 | edboogie2011 | you just gotta bite your tongue and do it |
| 23:09.40 | nullpuppy | yeah. |
| 23:09.47 | nullpuppy | what are you working on? |
| 23:10.01 | edboogie2011 | well I don't want to talk too much about it. since its about to release next month |
| 23:10.06 | edboogie2011 | but its a sensor system |
| 23:10.11 | edboogie2011 | with ethernet communication |
| 23:10.28 | nullpuppy | ah, neat, sounds interesting. |
| 23:10.28 | edboogie2011 | I use no modules of course, and I was able to swing a 180 part design in a 2 layer board |
| 23:10.37 | edboogie2011 | about the size of a 3 x 5 inch indes card |
| 23:10.42 | edboogie2011 | and this is my first project |
| 23:10.51 | nullpuppy | haha, nice! good job man. |
| 23:11.01 | edboogie2011 | thanks.. yeah i am totally stoked about it |
| 23:11.28 | nullpuppy | my current project is building a schematic/pcb viewer/editor for android. |
| 23:11.47 | edboogie2011 | lol.. mobile eCADing to go? |
| 23:11.53 | nullpuppy | yeah, pretty much ;) |
| 23:11.58 | edboogie2011 | smart idea, I would love to do that tedious work on the train |
| 23:12.07 | nullpuppy | :) yeah. |
| 23:12.12 | edboogie2011 | i wish I could get cadsoft Eagle running on my EVO HTC |
| 23:12.19 | edboogie2011 | there must be a way |
| 23:12.19 | edboogie2011 | .. |
| 23:12.35 | nullpuppy | *nods* that was kind of what lead in to this. |
| 23:12.42 | nullpuppy | among other things. |
| 23:13.01 | nullpuppy | really want to reverse engineer the eagle format so i can import it, haven't made much progress there yet though. |
| 23:13.03 | edboogie2011 | nullpuppy: well then I assume you did a bit of research right? and there currently is no way of doing this? |
| 23:13.21 | edboogie2011 | nullpuppy: yeah because Cadsoft is commercial.. you will have trouble trying to do that |
| 23:13.46 | nullpuppy | i didn't see any other eda software in android, and getting eagle to run in android would require recompiling for it... |
| 23:13.54 | nullpuppy | *nods* |
| 23:14.00 | nullpuppy | well aware of that ;) |
| 23:14.21 | edboogie2011 | oh man.. and there is no way to get the sources of that.. you might have to try to get the source of an open source eCAD |
| 23:14.36 | edboogie2011 | nullpuppy: hey just curious.. what CM do you use? |
| 23:14.40 | nullpuppy | yep. there are a couple out there. |
| 23:14.44 | edboogie2011 | what the cheapest CM you use? |
| 23:14.45 | nullpuppy | CM? |
| 23:14.51 | edboogie2011 | PCB assembler |
| 23:14.57 | edboogie2011 | contract manufacturer |
| 23:15.00 | edboogie2011 | = CM |
| 23:15.02 | nullpuppy | ah, we don't. |
| 23:15.06 | edboogie2011 | oh yeha |
| 23:15.07 | edboogie2011 | i forgot |
| 23:15.08 | edboogie2011 | lol |
| 23:15.11 | edboogie2011 | such an idiot |
| 23:15.13 | edboogie2011 | you do it by hand |
| 23:15.24 | nullpuppy | we've used batchpcb and goldphoenix for pcb fab, but we do the assembly ourselves |
| 23:15.25 | edboogie2011 | yeah there is no way I can do 180 parts by hand |
| 23:15.28 | nullpuppy | yep. no worries ;) |
| 23:15.43 | nullpuppy | well.. you could do one or two... ;) |
| 23:15.48 | edboogie2011 | yeah I was quoted $1800 locally for 100 boards |
| 23:16.09 | edboogie2011 | yeah I have to do 1.. to confirm the design one last time before I pull the trigger |
| 23:16.10 | nullpuppy | that's only $18/board, doesn't sound too terrible. |
| 23:16.16 | edboogie2011 | yeah |
| 23:16.19 | edboogie2011 | your right |
| 23:17.11 | nullpuppy | you're biggest cost impact is going to be component density and component size. |
| 23:17.37 | edboogie2011 | i might go with him.. he was just complaining that I didn't have fiducials on my PCB |
| 23:17.43 | edboogie2011 | he uses kinda old equipment |
| 23:17.55 | edboogie2011 | but most of his customers are military |
| 23:18.00 | edboogie2011 | so he must be decent |
| 23:18.03 | nullpuppy | *nods* |
| 23:18.19 | edboogie2011 | yeah your right $18 is a deal |
| 23:18.52 | nullpuppy | yeah. you might be able to find someone a little cheaper, but hard to say how much. |
| 23:19.43 | edboogie2011 | I bet if I lived in silicon valley, I could find someone really cheap to do it |
| 23:19.55 | nullpuppy | I don't know, maybe. |
| 23:20.00 | edboogie2011 | i don't want to fly it overseas, except canada |
| 23:20.04 | nullpuppy | might be able to find some college students or something :) |
| 23:20.17 | edboogie2011 | lol.. no i rather trust machines than young hippies |
| 23:20.24 | nullpuppy | have you checked places like the adafruit and sparkfun forums? |
| 23:20.26 | edboogie2011 | machines don't smoke pot |
| 23:20.29 | nullpuppy | :) |
| 23:20.31 | nullpuppy | yet |
| 23:20.34 | edboogie2011 | no.. why would i check ada forums? |
| 23:20.35 | edboogie2011 | lol |
| 23:21.20 | edboogie2011 | i don't know about adafruit.. but i think the sparkfun community is mainly hippies not pros |
| 23:22.00 | nullpuppy | we'll, they're both companies aimed at the hobbyist market. |
| 23:22.45 | edboogie2011 | nullpuppy: how many of those GPS transmitters do you sell per month/ |
| 23:22.45 | nullpuppy | adafruit is relatively close to the maker community as well (the creative director is also an editor for make) |
| 23:22.46 | edboogie2011 | ? |
| 23:23.03 | edboogie2011 | Lady Ada is an editor? |
| 23:23.08 | nullpuppy | i think we averaged a couple a month for a while, we're basically dead in the water at the moment. |
| 23:23.12 | edboogie2011 | or your not talking about Ada |
| 23:23.22 | nullpuppy | no, phillipe torrone (or however it's spelled( |
| 23:24.31 | edboogie2011 | yeah i plan on buying my P&P machine after this first run of 100 units |
| 23:24.41 | edboogie2011 | so.. i just am gonna use a CM once |
| 23:24.54 | nullpuppy | you could also potentially fire an email to jeri ellsworth, though i think most of her experience has been with the chinese for pcb assembly. |
| 23:25.09 | edboogie2011 | yeah i don't trust the chinese right now |
| 23:26.22 | edboogie2011 | nullpuppy: how was your experience with gold phoenix? |
| 23:27.50 | nullpuppy | decent. communication with them can be a little difficult, but turnaround and quality is decent enough. |
| 23:28.06 | edboogie2011 | i heard the quality is really good actually |
| 23:28.11 | edboogie2011 | and the turnaround time is good also |
| 23:28.17 | edboogie2011 | but i think the prices went up right? |
| 23:28.29 | nullpuppy | not that i'm aware of. |
| 23:28.31 | edboogie2011 | like int he past 2 years. the price went up a lot |
| 23:30.29 | nullpuppy | maybe. they're site has changed a lot from what i remember. |
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