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| 15:50.55 | CosmicPenguin | Everything is equally as crappy |
| 15:51.45 | landley | Some things are much, much simpler. |
| 15:52.08 | CosmicPenguin | but equally as crappy |
| 15:52.11 | landley | I'm using xfce. I've also heard good things about... fluxbox was it? (Saw it in use, haven't personally tried it yet.) |
| 15:52.18 | CosmicPenguin | xfce is crap - I don't miss it one bit |
| 15:52.19 | landley | Actually, xfce is only moderately annoying. |
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| 15:53.41 | CosmicPenguin | and since 80% of my windows are full screen terminals, I figure thats a bad thing |
| 15:53.57 | landley | Too many cooks don't spoil the _nutrition_ of the soup, they spoil the taste. |
| 15:54.05 | CosmicPenguin | composition - you are doing it wrong |
| 15:54.41 | landley | I actually found an embedded xtermoid that was pretty reasonable. 9And which built without horrible prerequisites. Lemme see...) |
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| 16:01.21 | landley | Might have been rxvt, I can't find my notes... |
| 16:08.47 | CosmicPenguin | rxvt is pretty good. I should set that up again |
| 16:11.25 | CosmicPenguin | http://code.google.com/p/mrxvt/ |
| 16:11.53 | CosmicPenguin | Leelo Dallas multi-tabbed |
| 16:24.58 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: I'd been using the 'awesome' wm, but it has some glitches. I've been considering an alternative, but there are a ton of little tiling wms around now |
| 16:24.59 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:25.34 | kergoth | was also thinking about making more/better use of tmux, since with its splits its not unlike a single workspace in a tiling wm |
| 16:25.36 | kergoth | shrugs |
| 16:31.33 | landley | CosmicPenguin: hmmm... I saw wikipedia's link to a utf8 rxvt, but it involved perl. |
| 16:31.50 | landley | This one is reimplementing scrollbars: isn't that something the window manager is supposed to provide or some such? |
| 16:32.12 | landley | It says chinese and korean, but I dunno if that means "utf8" or something else... |
| 16:39.41 | CosmicPenguin | hmm - mrxvt blows completely up with finch |
| 16:41.10 | CosmicPenguin | unicode fail |
| 16:49.43 | landley | What's finch? |
| 16:49.58 | landley | dalias: didn't you write a term program at one point? |
| 16:54.40 | calculus | finch is the ncurses version of pidgin (formerly gaim) |
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| 17:07.32 | landley | The sad part is I wrote my own ANSI interpreter code that did direct screen writes to VGA text mode memory back under DOS in 1990. |
| 17:08.28 | landley | First time I ported it to a new program I forgot to initialize the global pointer to screen memory, the test string I printed out scrolled the zero page (containing the interrupt table) 160 bytes (80*2 because there's color memory in there, it's an array of short), and the machine rebooted with the CMOS _confused_. |
| 17:08.39 | landley | 31 wait states in the memory. That'll take a while... |
| 17:09.13 | landley | Thus I am _tempted_ to write my own xterm, but there are only so many plates one can keep spinning at a time... |
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| 17:31.26 | CosmicPenguin | okay, back to xfce |
| 17:31.54 | calculus | wow, that was some good convincing |
| 17:32.34 | CosmicPenguin | I just couldn't find anything else worthwhile |
| 17:32.43 | landley | calculus: gnome is very convincing. It drove Ubuntu to write its own desktop system, although the end result turned out not to be an improvement. |
| 17:32.57 | landley | I vaguely recall fvwm wasn't that annoying... |
| 17:33.14 | landley | (Bumped into it going through my notes trying to confirm it was rxvt I'd played with.) |
| 17:33.26 | calculus | I used fvwm in the past, it is very configurable |
| 17:33.35 | CosmicPenguin | I used to do fvwm - too much workload to keep it going |
| 17:40.28 | landley | Oh great, another pointless fork: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/LinuxCon-Europe-Linux-Foundation-announce-Long-Term-Support-Initiative-1366733.html |
| 17:42.27 | landley | Will the Linux Foundation just announce its for-profit corner-the-market tendencies already and get it over with? |
| 17:42.40 | landley | Honestly, it's the hypocrasy that bothers me... |
| 17:49.23 | alex4nder | landley: what do you mean? |
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| 17:52.28 | landley | alex4nder: http://landley.net/notes-2010.html#18-07-2010 |
| 17:53.17 | landley | And then http://landley.net/notes-2010.html#30-08-2010 and http://landley.net/notes-2010.html#27-10-2010 and so on... |
| 17:54.23 | alex4nder | oh well yah, whatever |
| 17:54.31 | alex4nder | my response to that is 'no duh' |
| 17:54.39 | landley | (Why did I say "destroyed"? Let's just say http://tree.celinuxforum.org/pipermail/celinux-dev didn't take me completely by surprise.) |
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| 19:03.55 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, the weather outside is frightful |
| 19:04.51 | SpeedEvil | sets CosmicPenguin on delightful fire. |
| 19:05.18 | CosmicPenguin | Feels good |
| 19:05.31 | SpeedEvil | It's been sunny today. |
| 19:05.40 | SpeedEvil | So I managed to get 1/4 of the hedge cut. |
| 19:05.46 | SpeedEvil | Which is good. |
| 19:05.59 | SpeedEvil | As it was encroaching on my internets. |
| 19:35.04 | MonMotha | satellite internet? |
| 19:35.15 | SpeedEvil | Naah - phoneline above hedge |
| 19:38.47 | MonMotha | ah |
| 19:38.53 | MonMotha | that's a tall hedge |
| 19:39.10 | SpeedEvil | It's only 2m tall when cut. |
| 19:39.22 | SpeedEvil | There was 1.5m of growth in places though. |
| 19:39.25 | SpeedEvil | Since last year. |
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| 20:01.01 | dalias | landley, uuterm |
| 20:01.37 | dalias | sadly even tho i use it daily, it's kinda abandoned tho :( |
| 20:53.46 | landley | dalias: did you post it anywhere? |
| 20:53.57 | landley | (Abandoned in favor of what? Or you just haven't gotten back to it.) |
| 20:54.01 | landley | Is musl your library? |
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| 22:28.09 | CosmicPenguin | XFCE notification bubbles are the dumb |
| 22:28.23 | CosmicPenguin | they pop up in the top left corner of whichever monitor my mouse is on. That is not useful |
| 22:28.51 | landley | Upper right corner here. |
| 22:29.15 | CosmicPenguin | I can |
| 22:29.38 | CosmicPenguin | 't tell if people are just universally dumb about dual monitors or if my Nvidia crap setup is forcing the issue somehow |
| 22:29.41 | CosmicPenguin | probably both |
| 22:31.42 | landley | uses laptops. |
| 22:31.46 | landley | Pretty much exclusively. |
| 22:32.31 | CosmicPenguin | That might be part of the problem as well |
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