| 00:00.59 | CosmicPenguin | books? |
| 00:01.01 | CosmicPenguin | is that still a thing? |
| 00:01.22 | florian | it is |
| 00:02.06 | florian | for usability reasons |
| 00:11.12 | Mirell | Yes, amazingly, the text on Sanskrit from a South Asian publisher was not available on my Kindle. |
| 00:13.55 | CosmicPenguin | Give it time |
| 00:14.10 | Mirell | I really don't want to |
| 00:14.41 | Mirell | I'm perfectly happy with dead tree books |
| 00:14.58 | CosmicPenguin | I used to be |
| 00:15.28 | kergoth | I use them for technical books / reference, that's about it nowadays |
| 00:15.29 | Mirell | For one, the layout editors for eBooks deserve to be shot |
| 00:15.43 | CosmicPenguin | Kids books still suffer |
| 00:16.01 | CosmicPenguin | But if you have an android tablet, there are enough interactive bookish things to fill that gap |
| 00:16.03 | Mirell | Books indicating the proper stroke movement for devanagari script suffer to |
| 00:16.19 | florian | "Buying" ebooks is like going to prison |
| 00:16.25 | Mirell | Yes. |
| 00:16.53 | Mirell | It's a quality versus convenience trade-off |
| 00:16.56 | florian | .. and here in Europe they are not much cheaper than printed ones |
| 00:17.16 | Mirell | florian: Same in the US, especially on tech books |
| 00:17.25 | CosmicPenguin | I'm going to buy the thing anyway - either it takes up several rooms in my house and kills trees, or it doesn't |
| 00:17.25 | Mirell | I refuse to buy an eBook of a tech book |
| 00:17.35 | Mirell | Because I can't loan it to someone |
| 00:17.57 | Mirell | Unless they have the right device, with the right software, and if I haven't loaned it out too many times |
| 00:18.17 | florian | CosmicPenguin: how many trees did your kindle kill? |
| 00:18.42 | CosmicPenguin | More then a few, but thats a finite number |
| 00:18.43 | Mirell | Eh, let people do what they will. |
| 00:18.52 | CosmicPenguin | How many trees did the Baroque cycle kill? |
| 00:18.57 | CosmicPenguin | Answer - a lot |
| 00:19.02 | Mirell | This is where I start becoming luddite, and shaking canes. |
| 00:19.28 | CosmicPenguin | Everybody goes luddite at some point |
| 00:19.38 | florian | CosmicPenguin: a book lasts centuries... how long does your kindle last. so we are calling this "finite"? ;) |
| 00:19.51 | CosmicPenguin | I'm not going to last centuries |
| 00:20.05 | CosmicPenguin | and any book made in the last 50 years won't last centuries anyway, so its a moot point |
| 00:20.25 | Mirell | Heh |
| 00:20.32 | florian | CosmicPenguin: try to use your kindle in five years |
| 00:20.34 | Mirell | I have a bookcase to assemble, actually |
| 00:20.38 | CosmicPenguin | They will not treasure a 2009 paperbook of Harry Potter year 6 in the year 2100 |
| 00:20.39 | ohsix | acid free paper :> |
| 00:20.40 | Mirell | florian: I own a Kindle DX |
| 00:20.45 | Mirell | Still works |
| 00:20.57 | Mirell | CosmicPenguin: Hardback they will |
| 00:21.09 | florian | Mirell: give it another 3 to die or become unsupported |
| 00:21.17 | Mirell | It reads PDFs |
| 00:21.41 | Mirell | I actually use my iPad more |
| 00:21.45 | Mirell | Mainly for Instapaper |
| 00:22.06 | CosmicPenguin | But we're not really talking about reading stuff here that is epic |
| 00:22.25 | Mirell | Epic? |
| 00:22.33 | CosmicPenguin | We're taking about the flavor of the month biography, blah, blah |
| 00:22.46 | CosmicPenguin | better to get it electronically then deal with the clutter |
| 00:22.55 | Mirell | See, maybe that's why I am rather luddite |
| 00:23.07 | Mirell | I don't read that sort of stuff |
| 00:23.21 | CosmicPenguin | If its something I really care about, I'll buy it and treasure it, but the list of those is probably about a dozen |
| 00:23.38 | Mirell | An interesting thought point I had not considered |
| 00:23.49 | Mirell | Trash reading, basically |
| 00:24.03 | Mirell | For lack of a better term |
| 00:24.18 | CosmicPenguin | Interesting but not amazingly so |
| 00:24.24 | Mirell | To me it is |
| 00:24.28 | SpeedEvil | is trying to get the energy to dump 3500 books on amazon. |
| 00:24.50 | SpeedEvil | I've sold a couple of dozen out of the first 150 I listed. |
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| 00:52.58 | g1powermac | what do you guys think of this thing: http://www.cutedigi.com/product_info.php?products_id=4407 |
| 00:53.05 | g1powermac | for $60, it seems like a steal |
| 00:55.06 | roxfan | how's the shipping? |
| 00:56.48 | g1powermac | hmm, don't know |
| 00:57.18 | g1powermac | they're out of colorado, can't be too much |
| 00:57.30 | roxfan | maybe, if you're in states |
| 00:57.53 | g1powermac | well, true |
| 00:59.54 | g1powermac | even their linux/android stuff is pretty cheap |
| 01:00.01 | g1powermac | http://www.cutedigi.com/product_info.php?products_id=4436 |
| 01:02.00 | g1powermac | http://www.cutedigi.com/product_info.php?cPath=282_286&products_id=4328 |
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| 01:51.34 | SpeedEvil | I note that it's not much cheaper than the mini2440s on ebay. |
| 01:51.54 | SpeedEvil | It can't run linux, it may be more amenable do developing for your own PCB though. |
| 01:52.47 | g1powermac | hmm |
| 01:52.55 | g1powermac | didn't look at ebay |
| 01:54.04 | SpeedEvil | wishes someone would make small li-ion. |
| 01:54.14 | SpeedEvil | (8mm dia*20mm or so) |
| 01:57.06 | ohsix | theyre's some lipo that small |
| 01:57.29 | ohsix | and li-ion too, i guess; no reason there wouldn't be, but the microflight guys use them to power their indoor flyers |
| 01:58.35 | SpeedEvil | yeah. |
| 01:58.43 | SpeedEvil | Not quite that diameter. |
| 01:59.15 | ohsix | ohhh, yea |
| 01:59.17 | SpeedEvil | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NITE-TRITIUM-GLOWRING-KEYRING-MINI-GLOW-STICK-NEW-LIGHT-XMAS-GIFT-DOG-CAT-DARK-/270842317146?pt=UK_Pet_Supplies_Dogs&var=&hash=item84b911e652 - I want to clone in LED. |
| 02:03.29 | kergoth_ | chuckles at http://think-like-a-git.net/ |
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| 14:12.09 | g1powermac | hey GPSFan |
| 14:13.07 | g1powermac | anyone know if there's a mini pcie dev or breakout board? |
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| 14:35.54 | GPSFan | g1powermac, morning.. |
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| 15:24.00 | Mirell | Hmm |
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| 18:43.19 | sunrunner20 | lol, can't say i'm suprised but there is no visual basic channel |
| 18:47.41 | madsy | sunrunner20: IRC is too complicated for VB programmers |
| 18:47.48 | madsy | j/k |
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| 20:17.42 | sunrunner20 | madsy: god, it seems like it. I local community college won't accept a supperior cours for a programming 101 course. |
| 20:18.55 | sunrunner20 | Took CS1337(second level java course) now i have to take a retarted 101 class thats 'in visual basic'. And I use quotes, because i've written about 10 lines of acctual code this entire semester. Its ALL pseudocode. |
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| 21:16.23 | Mirell | Lord. |
| 21:16.43 | Mirell | I just wanted to patch pythonbrew. |
| 21:16.52 | Mirell | Now it seems I need to basically take ownership of it. |
| 21:18.58 | SpeedEvil | sunrunner20: can you test out of it? |
| 21:19.02 | g1powermac | heh, ya know that's how it always works, ehh? :-) |
| 21:20.26 | g1powermac | ya know, they have those little cortex touchscreen devices on ebay for $40 instead of $60 at cutedigi.com: http://www.ebay.com/itm/STM32F103VET6-ARM-Cortex-M3-Board-2-4-Touch-TFT-LCD-/200609291886?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eb53ede6e |
| 21:20.57 | g1powermac | they're so cheap I just want to buy one and mess with it even if it doesn't have linux |
| 21:21.35 | Mirell | I'm not even much a python developer! |
| 21:21.45 | Mirell | stares at the hg clone of cpython... |
| 21:24.24 | g1powermac | 2.4" lcd ain't much, but it would make a nice outdoor control box for my sensor network |
| 21:25.30 | grummund | that won't run linux though, will it? |
| 21:25.46 | g1powermac | nope, no linux |
| 21:25.55 | grummund | becomes confused between ARM7 and ARMv7 |
| 21:26.12 | SpeedEvil | It may in principle run uclinux. |
| 21:26.26 | g1powermac | hmm, that'd be interesting |
| 21:26.29 | grummund | with 40K ram? |
| 21:26.40 | SpeedEvil | Though actually - I just looked at the RAM |
| 21:26.42 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 21:27.47 | g1powermac | yea, it ain't much more than a glorified mcu with a touchscreen |
| 21:28.49 | g1powermac | but, it's cheap, has a useable human interface, and can add my wireless board to it |
| 21:29.09 | g1powermac | plus it has microsd for recording sensor values |
| 21:30.02 | g1powermac | and I'd figure the components alone would cost more than that if I were to try to spec it singly |
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| 21:32.52 | g1powermac | I'm curious about the uC/Gui that it uses |
| 21:33.10 | g1powermac | it doesn't seem to be open source, yet the thing comes with some kind of source code |
| 21:34.11 | grummund | ST have examples for their dev boards, it is possibly to be based on that |
| 21:34.50 | grummund | i'm using the same mcu here |
| 21:34.55 | SpeedEvil | A _really_ simple html interface would work |
| 21:35.04 | SpeedEvil | Something that did little more than parse imagemaps. |
| 21:36.20 | grummund | will Linux run on ARM7 ? |
| 21:36.35 | Mirell | Oh yes. |
| 21:37.00 | g1powermac | SpeedEvil, yea, that'd be interesting |
| 21:37.36 | grummund | i'm looking for ARM7 module with LCD, but they all seem to be ARM9. |
| 21:37.45 | SpeedEvil | looks at the 4 linux arm boxes nearby. |
| 21:38.11 | SpeedEvil | hmm. 3 arm, one x86, 2 mips in sight. |
| 21:38.46 | SpeedEvil | Oh - 4 arm. I forgot my scope. |
| 21:38.57 | SpeedEvil | Though that's wince |
| 21:40.52 | g1powermac | looks like there's a full source for it: http://www.linksprite.com/download/showdownload.php?id=91&lang=en |
| 21:41.00 | g1powermac | need to register to download though |
| 21:41.06 | g1powermac | and it comes in .rar |
| 21:42.59 | g1powermac | heh, I like their little license in the source code: |
| 21:43.42 | g1powermac | http://pastebin.com/9xcP3pSv |
| 21:45.02 | SpeedEvil | Simple, and to the point. |
| 21:46.20 | g1powermac | the one in the gui part is even more interesting: "Knowledge of the |
| 21:46.20 | g1powermac | source code may not be used to write a similar product." |
| 21:48.41 | g1powermac | so, technically not open source, but still source editable without needed ndas and crap |
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