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| 01:21.09 | prpplague | landley: ping |
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| 01:49.34 | MonMotha | landley: I quite like Thunderbird. If it actually had usable LDAP support, it would be a pretty good mail client. I'm constantly amazed at the things that are easy as pie in Thunderbird that Outlook is apparently just plain unable to do like multiple identities. |
| 02:13.07 | prpplague | landley: give me a shout when you have time |
| 02:13.50 | prpplague | landley: i know you probably aren;t interested, but i wanted to check with you on the RCA media streamer busybox gpl compliance |
| 02:59.18 | Mirell | Hmm. |
| 03:00.09 | Mirell | Pants acquired. |
| 03:00.14 | Mirell | And a new carry-on luggage. |
| 03:00.21 | Mirell | This one uses clasps instead of zippers |
| 03:00.26 | Mirell | Zippers always break on me. |
| 03:01.48 | prpplague | Mirell: yea but you are "special" in a short bus kind of way.... |
| 03:02.46 | Mirell | No, I just use the hell out of things |
| 03:02.54 | Mirell | Which is why I'm impressed with this MacBook |
| 03:03.06 | Mirell | Only laptop that has lasted three years for me |
| 03:03.27 | Mirell | Slightly related, http://cl.ly/0033221x210o2W2v3o3J |
| 03:05.21 | prpplague | Mirell: actually have multiple copies of your resume, i usually like to have them in a nice unmarked folder with blank typing paper to take notes |
| 03:05.55 | Mirell | Yah, I know. |
| 03:06.03 | Mirell | I've been on the other side many times |
| 03:06.14 | Mirell | "Oh damnit, I need to print out this guy's resume, gah" |
| 03:06.26 | prpplague | hehe |
| 03:06.58 | Mirell | Phone interview today was annoying. It was your building is on fire, what do you do for the data |
| 03:07.18 | Mirell | I hate those questions. They tell you nothing, and just annoy people. |
| 03:07.28 | SpeedEvil | Evacuate normally, as it's all backed up. |
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| 03:09.41 | Mirell | Oh, but it's not. |
| 03:09.46 | Mirell | Said the interviewer. |
| 03:10.07 | Mirell | "We're using git, so we have multiple copies of the source control spread out" |
| 03:10.22 | Mirell | "Nope. Now what" |
| 03:10.35 | Mirell | Reminds me of a Daily WTF. |
| 03:10.52 | SpeedEvil | Pull the halon extinguisher? |
| 03:11.18 | Mirell | Yah, it was a train reck. |
| 03:11.22 | Mirell | Er, wreck |
| 03:12.06 | Mirell | I argued with him that using dd to save files on the system would be ludicrious compared to taring them up and sshing them, since you don't know if the particular files are continuous on the system |
| 03:12.42 | Mirell | Luckily, those aren't the people I'm flying to see next week |
| 03:13.25 | Mirell | Here we go: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Hypothetical-Question--Tales-From-The-Dump.aspx |
| 03:13.30 | Mirell | Reminded me exactly of this |
| 03:13.48 | SpeedEvil | That seems scary. |
| 03:14.22 | SpeedEvil | Maybe he was playing devils avocado. |
| 03:14.43 | SpeedEvil | It's like devils advocate, but the questions are more vegetable in level. |
| 03:14.57 | Mirell | Mmm, tasty. |
| 03:24.38 | prpplague | Mirell: you have to move to portland? |
| 03:24.49 | Mirell | Yah, if I got the job |
| 03:25.00 | prpplague | Mirell: ahh |
| 03:25.10 | prpplague | jokes with Mirell |
| 03:25.26 | prpplague | Mirell: seems odd to move for a waste disposal engineer position |
| 03:25.45 | Mirell | Dude, |
| 03:25.51 | Mirell | You need to get new material. |
| 03:26.52 | prpplague | Mirell: hehe |
| 03:27.06 | prpplague | Mirell: i don't get out much |
| 03:27.30 | prpplague | Mirell: seriously, portland, major beer hub though |
| 03:27.38 | prpplague | Mirell: startup? |
| 03:27.43 | Mirell | https://www.acehotel.com/portland |
| 03:27.49 | Mirell | Where I'm staying |
| 03:27.57 | Mirell | Yah, simple.com is the company |
| 03:28.40 | prpplague | Mirell: interesting |
| 03:32.18 | Mirell | Two more phone interviews tomorrow |
| 03:32.22 | Mirell | Eh yeh yeh |
| 03:36.07 | prpplague | wonders about Mirell |
| 03:36.23 | Mirell | How so? |
| 03:36.38 | prpplague | Mirell: i wonder if you have some sort of different standards than i do , because i've never done so many interviews |
| 03:36.47 | Mirell | Standards in what way |
| 03:36.49 | prpplague | Mirell: i think i jump on who ever offers |
| 03:36.54 | Mirell | Oh |
| 03:36.58 | Mirell | Yah, I'm picky. |
| 03:37.13 | Mirell | I also haven't received an offer yet |
| 03:37.33 | prpplague | is like a hooker, offer me money and ...... |
| 03:37.49 | Mirell | There's nothing in Austin for me apparently. |
| 03:37.58 | prpplague | Mirell: weird |
| 03:38.17 | prpplague | Mirell: recent posts i have seen is austin is hiring like crazy |
| 03:38.26 | Mirell | Yes, for web developer positions |
| 03:38.59 | prpplague | Mirell: for embedded |
| 03:39.01 | Mirell | All the interesting things to me are in Portland or SF |
| 03:39.08 | Mirell | I'm not a kernel developer |
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| 14:15.58 | wmat | working for simple.com would be interesting |
| 15:11.18 | Mirell | I certainly think so. |
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| 16:31.32 | mnemoc | hi, anyone from UK? I would like to move with my family there, what counties are good for finding linux programming jobs? |
| 16:43.29 | landley | prpplague: pong the next day... |
| 16:44.06 | landley | prpplague: I haven't got a copy of the box, what about it? |
| 16:47.29 | landley | Mirell: knowing nothing about the company, I love their name... |
| 16:48.21 | landley | mnemoc: right now, start by looking at anything that's _not_ on the Euro. |
| 16:48.57 | landley | The euro is going bye-bye within the next few years. If we're lucky, it won't linger. If we're unlucky, german neuroses will drag europe through yet another unpleasant decade. |
| 16:49.23 | landley | Ah, counties, not countries. |
| 16:49.53 | landley | I've heard good things about bits of wales, but it's all anecdotal. (Mostly I know people who live there.) |
| 16:50.50 | landley | I also know somebody in glasgow, but they're not a techie... |
| 16:50.53 | mnemoc | landley: moving with children outside EU is quite difficult/risky :-/ |
| 16:50.58 | landley | The irish people I know are in the non-UK parts of it. |
| 16:52.28 | landley | If the ECB/GCB refuses to act as a lender of last resort because germans are inflation-phobic, and germany continues to treat southern europe as a captive market for its exports without subsidizing the perpetual trade imbalance, it's not gonna end well. |
| 16:52.41 | landley | Apparently you can have bank runs on a country, as long as that country doesn't have its own currency. |
| 16:52.51 | landley | They're very, very slow motion, but they're also very very large. |
| 16:53.20 | landley | (You can't have a bank run on any institution capable of printing money. They cannot, by definition, run out, so you don't have to "get yours out before everybody else does".) |
| 16:54.08 | landley | Iceland's recovering surprisingly well, though. |
| 16:54.20 | mnemoc | I read one of the largest banks here in spain needs an injection of the size of greece's debt to reach safe levels :( |
| 16:54.51 | mnemoc | even if it's an exageration, it makes you sick |
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| 16:56.50 | mnemoc | i had everything ready to move to dublin and suddenly their economy collapsed :| |
| 16:57.21 | mnemoc | and now afaik irish are emigrating to .au |
| 16:57.44 | mnemoc | techies I mean |
| 17:03.02 | Mirell | landley: They used to be called BankSimple |
| 17:03.13 | Mirell | landley: I still tell people that, since it at least gives slight context |
| 17:03.35 | landley | Ireland had a surplus, but german banks loaned irish banks tons of money to buy irish real estate, and when the bubble burst and irish real estate prices crashed, the irish branks had buckets of mortgages people walked away from because they were three times what the property was worth, so they let it go into foreclosure. |
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| 17:04.36 | landley | The germans, through the EU, insisted that ireland's government buy all those bad debts and turn it into government debt, as a condition of giving the irish government a loan. The money from that loan immediately went to pay back the german banks. That's what crashed ireland's economy. |
| 17:05.01 | landley | And of course germany's going "but WE didn't do anything wrong, we worked through intermediaries!" |
| 17:05.05 | Mirell | Oh dear, mnemoc, you started him |
| 17:05.15 | landley | Eh, Mirell's heard it. |
| 17:05.18 | Mirell | True. |
| 17:05.22 | Mirell | But link to a blog post. |
| 17:05.29 | Mirell | I like the Doctor's quote in one episode, |
| 17:05.34 | mnemoc | Mirell: yea, mea culpa :) |
| 17:05.41 | Mirell | "Please, do keep a personal blog, so not to bore others" |
| 17:05.55 | prpplague | landley: ping |
| 17:05.57 | Mirell | It's just spamming the channel, really, 'sall. |
| 17:06.25 | prpplague | doh |
| 17:06.47 | Mirell | Heh |
| 17:06.47 | mnemoc | Mirell: I follow him on twitter so I was expecting it ;-) |
| 17:09.07 | mnemoc | And I do agree with those who think the EU is the (peaceful) fulfillment of hitler's dream |
| 17:09.53 | mnemoc | boesen deuschen :p |
| 17:10.04 | Mirell | Hitler's dream wasn't even vaguely peaceful, though. |
| 17:10.05 | ohsix | . |
| 17:10.28 | mnemoc | Mirell: :) |
| 17:10.29 | Mirell | He wanted Himmler to give Goring a rimjob while the entire SS was watching. |
| 17:10.55 | Mirell | Oh, Nazis.. |
| 17:21.31 | mnemoc | will start researching about australia |
| 17:23.45 | sjhill | tazmania |
| 17:23.48 | sjhill | that's where i would move |
| 17:24.03 | mnemoc | seriously? |
| 17:24.22 | sjhill | yeah |
| 17:24.32 | sjhill | because of the temperatures |
| 17:24.42 | sjhill | it's my dream....that will never happen |
| 17:25.16 | mnemoc | I want to move to a place were I can find a linux programming job, and if I loose it I don't have to move to another country yet again |
| 17:25.32 | sjhill | kernel or app? |
| 17:25.44 | mnemoc | both are ok |
| 17:26.05 | mnemoc | well... excluding fancy UI apps |
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| 17:32.35 | florian | mnemoc: Where are you located now? |
| 17:32.59 | mnemoc | florian: north-west spain |
| 17:34.36 | florian | mnemoc: ok... is it really hard to find a linux programming job in spain? |
| 17:35.25 | mnemoc | We were thinking in moving to the UK before the next school year begins, but need to decide where. I have a remote work contract for another year which will feed my family and pay the bills until I can find something stable |
| 17:35.43 | mnemoc | florian: excluding java and sysadmin, almost imposible |
| 17:35.59 | florian | amazing |
| 17:36.35 | florian | is located in Germany and wonders if an average programming job here counts as "stable" |
| 17:46.23 | mnemoc | florian: I decide as stable something not per-contract and with a payroll you can show a bank to get a loan :p |
| 17:53.39 | florian | mnemoc: ok, sounds like a common definition :-) |
| 17:53.51 | mnemoc | :) |
| 17:54.00 | mnemoc | s/decide/define/ |
| 18:03.30 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: AVC is June 16 this year. Get your ass in gear and come up and visit |
| 18:03.33 | CosmicPenguin | Bring a robot |
| 18:04.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: never really gotten into bots |
| 18:04.43 | CosmicPenguin | meh, what is there to get into. Toss a bone on a RC car and you've got it made |
| 18:10.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i am not very good with mechanical |
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| 18:30.02 | Mirell | Huh. The Interview from Hell yesterday people came back, they want to do a second round |
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| 18:38.08 | sndcrb | I wonder if there is any stable jobs in current economical environment ? |
| 18:39.38 | mnemoc | sndcrb: fortunatelly I don't need one yet, but I would like to live in a place where I can find one in 1y when my current project ends :) |
| 18:43.09 | mnemoc | stupidly I moved my family to a place where my current employer was going to open a branch (and so get an "stable job") but after that they decided not to expand, and there is nothing else here (except for one company which only contracts gnome and webkit stars) |
| 18:45.12 | mnemoc | and they don't want more people |
| 18:45.30 | Mirell | This, among many other reasons, is why I don't have a family |
| 18:45.43 | mnemoc | :) |
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| 18:53.28 | sndcrb | Is there really any hot spots of linux development anywhere in europe? |
| 18:54.02 | mnemoc | some places in germany I guess |
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| 18:57.09 | florian | Munich and Berlin area |
| 19:00.23 | mnemoc | failed miserably to sell berlin to his women |
| 19:06.24 | florian | heh |
| 19:06.33 | Mirell | Hey Baby, |
| 19:06.37 | Mirell | Ich freude dich |
| 19:07.22 | florian | Berlin isn't too bad... and comparably cheap for living. There are a lots of IT companies in Munich area as well, but there living is way more expensive. |
| 19:09.28 | florian | -> home -> hackerspace, bbiab |
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| 19:26.48 | sndcrb | I would advice not to even think about Finland, or actually I think that there is not even any more too many jobs as Nokia linux cluster of companies is gone :) |
| 19:32.52 | mnemoc | will hate Nokia forever |
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| 20:28.47 | Mirell | That's the country in between Sony Ericsson and Boobs, right? |
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| 21:33.30 | wmat | isn't working from home the way to go these days? |
| 21:34.59 | mnemoc | when your employers legally exists in your country, sure it's great |
| 21:35.02 | g1powermac | anyone know where you can get e-ink displays to hack with? |
| 21:35.46 | CosmicPenguin | maker shed has some pixel qi panels |
| 21:37.40 | g1powermac | yea, but they're a bit big |
| 21:37.59 | mnemoc | you could buy a cheap ereader |
| 21:40.12 | g1powermac | true, I just seem to remember someone sold e-ink displays but don't remember who |
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| 23:59.55 | g1powermac | hey prpplague |