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| 01:07.08 | Mirell | Mmm. |
| 01:13.33 | prpplague | mMM |
| 02:07.38 | landley | indeed. |
| 02:07.49 | MonMotha | hummmm..... |
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| 02:51.52 | prpplague | Mirell: you employeed yet? |
| 02:52.13 | Mirell | prpplague: No. |
| 03:01.41 | Mirell | prpplague: Why? |
| 03:02.11 | prpplague | Mirell: just curious, i got another call from a headhunter yesterday, i gave him your info |
| 03:04.27 | Mirell | Ah |
| 03:09.27 | solar | nice thing to do for a friend |
| 03:09.33 | landley | Darn it. |
| 03:09.45 | Mirell | ? |
| 03:09.59 | landley | ssh-agent has cached the wrogn ssh key. How do I shoot it through the head so openssh never tries to use this overcomplicated piece of crap again and just reads my .ssh directory like torvalds intended? |
| 03:10.25 | landley | It's... really weird. |
| 03:10.41 | landley | If I ln -s temp id_dsa and ssh -i temp it works. |
| 03:10.53 | landley | But if I ssh -i id_dsa it doesn't work. |
| 03:11.09 | landley | I am hitting some really crappy special case intended to provide "security". |
| 03:11.20 | landley | This is why I put dropbear on systems. |
| 03:12.16 | solar | you like 40bit encryption algos? |
| 03:15.21 | landley | solar: you're thinking des. |
| 03:16.13 | landley | No, this worked this morning. The problem is I created a rsa key for a server that only supported RSA, and it's cached it. |
| 03:16.25 | landley | I moved it out of the .ssh directory and it still won't stop using it for some reason. (I think.) |
| 03:16.32 | landley | The key itself is 2048 bit, I think. |
| 03:17.03 | landley | The same key works fine from my server in the office. It works if I use a _different_filename_. |
| 03:18.06 | landley | Ok, that's creepy. |
| 03:18.28 | landley | Ubuntu tab-completes "dropbear" from "dr"... and then complains that it's not currently installed and I should apt-get dropbear. |
| 03:18.47 | landley | I see why so many people are leaving ubuntu. This is sad. |
| 03:19.49 | prpplague | landley: yea there are tons of issues like that |
| 03:20.11 | landley | Great. I deleted /usr/bin/ssh-agent and now it's _hanging_. |
| 03:20.15 | landley | Oh, timed out after 30 seconds. |
| 03:20.37 | prpplague | landley: like if you type in tar zxvf foo , with a tab complete it will only show files that match for foo with .gz ending |
| 03:20.44 | prpplague | landley: i hate that |
| 03:20.54 | landley | I hate that too. |
| 03:20.58 | Mirell | That's just bash completion scripts |
| 03:21.19 | landley | "Trying to be too clever and painting yourself into a corner" used to be a trademark of the FSF, now Ubuntu's picked it up. |
| 03:21.31 | prpplague | landley: my biggest complaint about linux which is still the case after 14 years of my complaints is the timezone selection |
| 03:22.12 | Mirell | Symlink to /usr/share/zoneinfo to /etc/localtime? |
| 03:22.44 | prpplague | Mirell: no, i.e. selecting the timezone in a gui desktop |
| 03:22.49 | Mirell | Ah |
| 03:23.08 | prpplague | Mirell: for central time zone you have to select chicago, you can't select "your city" |
| 03:23.21 | Mirell | That's been the way since Windows 3.1 |
| 03:23.26 | landley | Screw it, I'm making an ssh wrapper in /usr/local/bin that does a -i with a different name for the key. |
| 03:23.40 | landley | And next time, I'm installing funtoo or somethign on my laptop. |
| 03:23.42 | landley | With dropbear. |
| 03:23.44 | prpplague | Mirell: not under windows |
| 03:23.57 | Mirell | Windows now maybe |
| 03:24.03 | prpplague | Mirell: since win95 you can select any major city in the US |
| 03:24.15 | Mirell | Nope |
| 03:24.22 | Mirell | You couldn't select Little Rock, Arkansas |
| 03:24.28 | Mirell | Had to select Chicago |
| 03:24.43 | prpplague | opens up virtual box with win95 |
| 03:25.43 | prpplague | Mirell: both the win95 and winxp virtual boxes i have allow selection of pretty much all the major cities in CST |
| 03:25.59 | Mirell | What is a major city |
| 03:27.02 | Mirell | I still couldn't select Austin in WinXP |
| 03:27.27 | prpplague | Mirell: dallas, austin, houston, kansas city, all of those are selectable on my installation |
| 03:27.43 | prpplague | Mirell: i wonder if i have some service packs installed or something |
| 03:27.46 | Mirell | You hacked it. |
| 03:27.50 | prpplague | Mirell: hehe |
| 03:27.58 | Mirell | Just to prove your point |
| 03:28.26 | Mirell | Well, with OSX Lion, it just detects your location for you and sets your timezone automagically |
| 03:28.52 | prpplague | Mirell: hehe even better |
| 03:29.17 | prpplague | Mirell: still thats the #1 question i get from newbies installing ubuntu |
| 03:29.48 | prpplague | considers going home |
| 03:29.49 | landley | I was never really able to push anything upstream into ubuntu. |
| 03:29.58 | landley | Funtoo, they pay attention. Admittedly 'cause they're tiny, but still. |
| 03:32.59 | prpplague | hmm |
| 03:33.30 | prpplague | i need to toggle a gpio at 60Hz , wonder if i can do that with a scheduled work routine..... |
| 03:36.59 | landley | Is 60 hz the leading edges, or dual-edge? |
| 03:37.27 | landley | prpplague: with a realtime thread you should have no problem, even on a non-rt kernel. |
| 03:37.55 | landley | 60 hz works out to something like 18 miliseconds, which is a longish time. |
| 03:40.36 | landley | prpplague: If need to actually toggle at 120 mhz (switch on and off per cycle) that's 9ms, which is still doable for realtime but getting touchier without an -rt kernel. |
| 03:41.32 | landley | Hang on, you're talking about a kernel thread aren't you? Yeah, you should be fine. I was thinking userspace for some reason... |
| 03:42.21 | prpplague | landley: yea kernel space |
| 03:56.33 | prpplague | landley: looks like i can easily use a gptimer on the omap to do the job |
| 03:56.56 | landley | And I say bounce a graviton particle beam, off the main deflector dish... |
| 04:00.46 | prpplague | hehe |
| 04:01.21 | prpplague | may have to go home soon |
| 04:01.25 | prpplague | getting a headache |
| 04:02.14 | solar | landley: I think dropbear was using 40bit blowfish forever |
| 04:02.36 | landley | solar: dunno. |
| 04:02.46 | landley | Are you talking the size of each round, or the total strength of the key? |
| 04:06.59 | solar | landley: <-- not a crypto guru here. But thought that was db's limitation on why it can't really be a full secure replacement for ossh |
| 04:07.15 | landley | solar: there's a limitation? |
| 04:07.22 | landley | I hadn't heard of one. |
| 04:07.25 | solar | size :) |
| 04:07.47 | landley | It's about as likely to replace openssh as busybox is to replace coreutils, for pretty much the same reason. |
| 04:08.09 | landley | And it does have a couple limitations, but none to do with crypto. |
| 04:08.20 | solar | yah but you are an oddball with trying to replace *.* |
| 04:08.29 | landley | The biggest is it doesn't provide stunnel, so if you want https you need to install the library behind openssh anyway. |
| 04:09.20 | solar | going to SCALE this year? |
| 04:09.23 | landley | There's some other utility I needed to use recently that made me install openssh on my server because it wouldn't work with dropbear. Might have been sftp. |
| 04:09.52 | landley | solar: I haven't scheduled anything yet. I was pondering CELF but nobody else is going and the paper deadline was yesterday (too busy to get around to sending in a proposal). |
| 04:10.09 | landley | Scale's the admin conference I went to with Kir last year, right? |
| 04:10.58 | landley | wonders how much scale costs... |
| 04:11.33 | landley | solar: too short notice, I think. |
| 04:13.01 | landley | solar: looked at Funtoo yet? |
| 04:41.29 | solar | landley: I know a bit about it. I'm not really interested in drobbins work so much |
| 04:41.48 | landley | solar: ok. Just checking. |
| 04:41.52 | solar | I'm not that into gentoo right now for that matter |
| 04:42.05 | landley | He wandred through Austin last month and we actually got portage runnign under aboriginal. |
| 04:42.14 | solar | my life/work has become EL5 for a while now |
| 04:42.27 | landley | At which point the dependencies went circular and he wandered off to frown at the ebuild tree, but it was No Longer My Problem. :) |
| 04:42.30 | landley | What's EL5? |
| 04:42.38 | landley | RHEL? |
| 04:42.50 | solar | more or less yes |
| 04:43.07 | landley | shrugs. Good luck with it. :) |
| 04:43.15 | landley | My day job is doing board bringup on various TI netra monstrosities. |
| 04:43.22 | solar | admin stuff. Not for fun |
| 04:43.28 | landley | (The hardware's quite nice. The software is the Texas Instruments fork of Android.) |
| 04:44.07 | landley | I'm entirely familiar with day job sucking all the energy out of one's open source programming. |
| 04:44.15 | landley | I'm trying to keep up with mine, but really it's just scraps of time... |
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| 06:11.05 | calculus | solar: I plan to be at SCALE, are you going? |
| 06:44.49 | solar | calculus: might as well. It's always a blast to see the guys |
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