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| 16:19.58 | landley | Morning. |
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| 16:29.09 | prpplague | landley: greetings |
| 16:29.18 | SpeedEvil | Morning indeed. |
| 16:29.24 | landley | Thingitude. |
| 16:29.32 | prpplague | landley: tinkering around with toybox today |
| 16:29.41 | landley | Woot! |
| 16:29.44 | landley | I need to do that this weekend. |
| 16:30.06 | prpplague | landley: just gotta pull a fresh copy |
| 16:30.11 | landley | I'm halfway through a config2help.c to replace that config2help.py and config2help.sh. |
| 16:30.13 | prpplague | landley: wish you were using git |
| 16:30.39 | landley | Head down working for next 3 hours, then a meeting... |
| 16:31.55 | prpplague | landley: no worries |
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| 16:35.48 | landley | prpplague: I can do a git mirror, I'm just not going to be pulling from git. |
| 16:36.12 | landley | In theory you can already do a git clone from the newest version of the mercurial server, it exports in the other format automatically. |
| 16:36.15 | landley | I need to upgrade my server... |
| 16:37.02 | landley | Ah, darn it. They went the other way. |
| 16:37.17 | landley | The mercurial user tool can now pull/push from a git server. |
| 16:37.35 | landley | So I guess Matt Mackall wanted to stop maintaining the mercurial server, and rendered it obsolete or something? |
| 16:37.36 | landley | Why the...? |
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| 17:05.45 | landley | prpplague: It looks like http://hg-git.github.com lets my local mercurial repo both push and pull from git repos, so a git mirror isn't too hard. |
| 17:06.03 | prpplague | landley: dandy |
| 17:13.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: headed to ELC? |
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| 17:14.05 | file | yawns |
| 17:21.07 | kergoth | I think I might make it there for once |
| 17:21.19 | prpplague | kergoth: darn |
| 17:21.39 | prpplague | kergoth: the one time you decide to go, and i wont be going |
| 17:21.52 | kergoth | hg-git works surprisingly well. should play with it some more |
| 17:26.38 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: no, I'm needed in San Diego the week before and I'm out of wife points |
| 17:26.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh |
| 17:26.52 | CosmicPenguin | I won't make it to Linaro Connect or android builders either, unfortunately |
| 17:27.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, from what i hear, a lot of people are 'busy' this time around |
| 17:33.18 | landley | prpplague: how was it last time around? |
| 17:33.37 | landley | last went in 2010, he thinks while referring to himself in the third person. |
| 17:36.05 | prpplague | landley: ELC-E in prague was ok |
| 17:36.21 | prpplague | landley: i had a few complaints about it |
| 17:36.44 | prpplague | landley: the co-location with linuxcon made the who ELC thing seem watered down |
| 17:38.17 | prpplague | landley: presenters don't really get any feedback as to how well they did |
| 17:38.38 | prpplague | landley: really no way to judge if you improved over last time |
| 17:39.06 | landley | shrugs. |
| 17:39.08 | prpplague | landley: the same topics seem to be selected over and over |
| 17:39.34 | landley | The linux foundation crunched up CELF as an afternoon snack. |
| 17:39.46 | prpplague | landley: and there is no real recognition of people who have made unique contributions to ELC over the year |
| 17:41.11 | prpplague | landley: indeed |
| 17:42.22 | prpplague | landley: in the past companies have donated prizes and such for the closing presentation, but they have been doing this silly game more and more at the end, and it really doesn't get the kind of coverage/exposure for the products being donated |
| 17:42.42 | prpplague | landley: i donated some flyswatter2 boards as well as 300+ beacon boards |
| 17:42.52 | prpplague | landley: and i was pretty disappointed with the results |
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| 17:44.20 | prpplague | landley: got a url for your toybox stuff? |
| 17:44.29 | landley | http://landley.net/toybox |
| 17:44.41 | landley | Mercurial and mailing list and such linked from there. |
| 17:44.47 | prpplague | ok thanks |
| 17:45.28 | landley | After I get the pending aboriginal linux release out, I'm going to try to get a toybox release out next. |
| 17:45.42 | landley | But I have day job stuff to clear first... |
| 17:48.08 | prpplague | landley: understood |
| 17:48.16 | prpplague | cloning now |
| 17:48.24 | prpplague | i'll have a look at your todo list |
| 17:52.55 | landley | Heh. There's a whole directory of todos. http://landley.net/toybox/todos I think... |
| 17:53.37 | landley | My big todo item for this weekend is to collate my toybox todos. :) |
| 17:54.52 | landley | prpplague: The susv4, busybox, and notes.txt ones are recent. |
| 17:54.59 | landley | The todo.txt one is where I left off in 2009. |
| 17:55.39 | landley | the aboriginal.txt one is recent but trumped by baseconfig-busybox, I think. (Need to cross-check 'em.) |
| 17:56.56 | landley | Basically this weekend I come up with "a plan of attack". |
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| 18:55.56 | MonMotha | prpplague: is flyswatter2 support built into any released version of openocd? |
| 18:56.14 | MonMotha | or is patching still required? |
| 19:13.17 | prpplague | MonMotha: support is merged but didn't make the 0.5 release |
| 19:13.25 | prpplague | MonMotha: we have a patch available against 0.5 |
| 19:13.47 | MonMotha | prpplague: ah, ok. Happen to have a debian/ubuntu package to save me some headache? |
| 19:14.08 | prpplague | MonMotha: sorry no |
| 19:14.21 | prpplague | MonMotha: i'll see about getting that done with my free time |
| 19:14.23 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:16.16 | MonMotha | prpplague: so I should expect it sometime after the world ends (it's less than a year away) |
| 19:16.18 | MonMotha | ? |
| 19:16.24 | prpplague | MonMotha: exactly |
| 19:16.41 | prpplague | MonMotha: hehe sorry , just too many irons in the fire |
| 19:17.15 | MonMotha | prpplague: no problem. There's a Debian package for 0.5, so I can just source it, patch it, then build it |
| 19:17.23 | MonMotha | should work on Ubuntu, I'm guessing |
| 19:56.56 | landley | prpplague: I don't suppose there's an easy way to get an arbitrary JTAG like flyswatter working against strange new chips like the TI netra? |
| 19:57.21 | landley | TI keeps making Polycom buy licenses to its proprietary debugger, and the sucker only runs on winders. |
| 19:57.51 | prpplague | landley: generally, the hardware portion isn't difficult, jtag is jtag, it is the dap/tap info |
| 19:58.10 | prpplague | landley: you can get a xds100v2 and a free license of CCS which has netra support |
| 19:58.28 | prpplague | landley: i don't think netra support has been added to openocd yet |
| 19:58.36 | prpplague | landley: should be easy to check |
| 19:59.18 | landley | what are xds100v2 and ccs? |
| 19:59.21 | landley | goes to google... |
| 20:02.55 | alex4nder- | dear olimex: your TRST line looks like coleslaw when it should be held high during programming |
| 20:03.49 | prpplague | landley: Code Composer Suite |
| 20:04.02 | prpplague | landley: TI's IDE/jtag for their products |
| 20:04.07 | prpplague | landley: there is a linux version |
| 20:04.18 | prpplague | landley: xds100v2 is their open jtag hardware design |
| 20:04.26 | landley | Ah, didn't know there was a linux version... |
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| 23:32.13 | MonMotha | landley: generally, the ARM and MIPS chips have a standard debugging interface. You may just need to know a little about the JTAG TAP configuration to chuck it into debugging mode, and you may be able to grab that with a logic analyzer. |
| 23:32.31 | MonMotha | if it's a proprietary arch, well, good luck. If the docs aren't public, it's often kinda tough to reverse engineer. |
| 23:32.52 | landley | MonMotha: assuming you know the pinout of the chip in question and where they put it on this particular board's jtag bus. |
| 23:32.58 | MonMotha | Atmel kept the JTAG debug interface for AVR confidential for years making you buy their JTAGICE (which, to be fair, was fairly reasonably priced and worked quite well) |
| 23:33.04 | MonMotha | but it got reverse engineered eventually |
| 23:33.10 | MonMotha | landley: well, yeah, that's another problem entirely |
| 23:33.33 | MonMotha | you can generally enumerate a JTAG scan chain without a terrible amount of effort. All you have to know is the size of the IR |
| 23:33.53 | MonMotha | there are some tools that will play around with it using common values and try to read out seemingly valid IDCODEs |
| 23:48.22 | roxfan | urjtag |
| 23:48.57 | roxfan | i think it can actually detect IR size too |