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| 14:42.04 | Mazingaro | hi |
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| 14:59.24 | Mirell | 'lo |
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| 15:08.57 | g1powermac | hey Mirell |
| 15:11.08 | Mirell | Greetings |
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| 16:24.13 | Mazingaro | hi |
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| 16:35.08 | landley | Blah. I am old. Breakfast at McDonalds is apparently no longer something I can just brush off and go on about my day... |
| 16:35.20 | landley | (It's possible McDonald's as gotten worse, but I don't see how.) |
| 16:35.28 | Mazingaro | I need a simple https server on cortex-m3, any suggestions? |
| 16:35.32 | Mazingaro | tx |
| 16:35.33 | av500 | so why do it? |
| 16:47.25 | landley | Mazingaro: isn't there one built into busybox? |
| 16:47.34 | landley | Ah, https. |
| 16:47.44 | Mazingaro | I'm on baremetal system no os |
| 16:48.00 | Mazingaro | I tried to compile matrixssl, but it is a mess... |
| 16:48.19 | landley | Years ago I made puppy eyes at the dropbear maintainer to try to get him to add stunnel, but he didn't have time and told me to do it. |
| 16:48.33 | landley | I printed out some largeish RFCs but a weekend wasn't enough time to make a dent in them, and got buried in other things since... |
| 16:51.01 | landley | http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.network.ssh.dropbear/567 |
| 16:51.30 | landley | That links to xyssl and znerol a bit further down. Dunno if either actually works, or still exists... |
| 16:53.09 | landley | Mazingaro: did that help? |
| 16:53.21 | Mazingaro | mmmmh |
| 16:53.43 | av500 | landley: he is not on linux |
| 16:53.46 | av500 | no-OS |
| 16:54.16 | landley | Mazingaro: presumably you'll have to port whatever you use to your libc. |
| 16:54.39 | landley | Bare metal still tends to have some variant of a libc. Even u-boot is providing sprintf() and friends... |
| 16:55.00 | Mazingaro | problem is sbrk and company |
| 16:55.08 | Mazingaro | like _read and _write |
| 16:55.39 | landley | Mazingaro: if you haven't got a tcp sockets layer, you're kinda screwed trying to do https. |
| 16:55.49 | SpeedEvil | you need to do you own memory managment probably. |
| 16:55.54 | landley | That's pretty much a prerequisite, something to turn packets into streams. |
| 16:56.13 | SpeedEvil | Unless the library actively supports it. |
| 16:56.21 | landley | A quick-and-dirty malloc is an undergraduate exercise, and you can often mangle the code to work with static globals anyway. |
| 16:56.32 | landley | has done that before. |
| 16:56.43 | av500 | copypasta dlmalloc |
| 16:57.04 | landley | In fact again, u-boot has a malloc variant... |
| 16:57.15 | landley | has been banging on uboot recently. |
| 16:57.43 | SpeedEvil | Streams with no malloc isn't going to be fun either. |
| 16:57.45 | av500 | can it do email? then you can stop |
| 17:00.40 | av500 | landley: btw, what you tried is not legal C |
| 17:00.52 | av500 | extern and initialized does not go together |
| 17:00.58 | landley | av500: I know. |
| 17:01.23 | landley | But I can't currently think of a non-horrible way to do that. |
| 17:01.49 | av500 | export the sizeof in a var |
| 17:02.09 | landley | Probably I need to put the array definition right before all the functions that use it, and require those functions to be in lib/lib.c. |
| 17:02.19 | av500 | why? |
| 17:02.29 | av500 | just export a pointer to the list and the size |
| 17:02.46 | av500 | worried about one variable lookup? |
| 17:04.02 | av500 | or even: static inline char **get_signal_list(int *size) { *size = sig_list_size; return sig_list; } |
| 17:04.11 | av500 | and use that where you need the list of signals |
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| 17:36.16 | landley | av500: it's still The Wrong Thing (tm). http://glandium.org/blog/?p=2361 |
| 17:37.05 | landley | Of course I merged a toys/kill.c that added 17k to the toybox binary (when before that the whole of defconfig was only 60k), and this is in the context of cleaning that up, but still... |
| 17:37.30 | landley | (I don't want to discourage contributors, but I also don't want the code to be wrong.) |
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| 17:58.16 | Mirell | Heh |
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| 20:16.43 | landley | And the wiki page I was pointing to as a toybox roadmap had the beastiebox guy drive-by paste his stuff all over it and go "look, we have a fsck for BSD ffs! And the BSD wimax command! And the bsd packet filter control program! Why aren't you already using this on Android?" |
| 20:16.57 | landley | Woo. *twirls one finger* |
| 20:17.06 | landley | I think I'll stop pointing at third party wikis... |
| 20:17.44 | SpeedEvil | I feel that way sometimes about pages I 'own' on wikis. |
| 20:17.52 | landley | shrugs. |
| 20:17.53 | ohsix | heh good idea, even first party doesn't have all the attention you generally need to keep that stuff straight, unless you don't let anyone edit it; then it just gets old |
| 20:17.55 | landley | I'm not reverting his commit. |
| 20:17.59 | SpeedEvil | It can be frustrating. |
| 20:18.03 | landley | I'm just not having landley.net/toybox point to that wiki page anymore. |
| 20:18.26 | landley | Technically the page isn't _about_ toybox. This has just been forcibly pointed out to me. |
| 20:18.31 | landley | Therefore, no reason toybox should point to that page. |
| 20:19.48 | landley | (I wouldn't actually feel _insulted_ if he'd put his new material after toybox, but putting it as the first thing on the page was crass.) |
| 20:42.54 | landley | prpplague: welcome back. How was CELF? |
| 20:43.38 | landley | I note that The Bruce has been interviewed twice about toybox, Bradley Kuhn twice, and whoever that blog post guy, but lwn.net didn't consider the toybox release worth noting. |
| 20:43.53 | landley | shrugs. |
| 20:44.13 | landley | I've got enough material for another release anyway. I was poking at release notes last night, but I just got some new todo items... |
| 20:45.51 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 20:49.57 | landley | is long past the point of being discouraged by competition. :) |
| 20:50.02 | landley | bring it. |
| 20:50.18 | landley | My code is better. The beastiebox guy is gluing together existing bsd utilities and calling it a busybox competitor. |
| 20:50.40 | landley | Sure, it beats the gnu/dammit versions, but that's "damning with faint praise" right there... |
| 20:52.39 | SpeedEvil | ... |
| 20:52.44 | SpeedEvil | That's kinda broken. |
| 20:53.28 | SpeedEvil | I've idly wondered if some sort of bastardised simple scripting language is the better way. |
| 20:53.59 | SpeedEvil | Something like awk, with the ability to make C calls. |
| 20:54.40 | SpeedEvil | So kill would reduce to '/^kill/_kill($1)' |
| 20:54.56 | prpplague | landley: it was pretty darn good |
| 20:55.02 | SpeedEvil | Of course - in the absence of sitting down and coding such :) |
| 20:55.08 | prpplague | landley: looks like Tim took a bunch of my suggestions to heart |
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| 21:01.02 | landley | prpplague: which suggestions? |
| 21:01.38 | prpplague | landley: after ELC-E i sent time a list of some issues i had with the ELC-E conference |
| 21:02.00 | prpplague | landley: some of the items were that as speakers we didn't get any feedback from ELC about our presentations |
| 21:02.11 | prpplague | landley: i suggested a short survey after the show |
| 21:02.49 | prpplague | landley: the end prize giveaways have been less than equally presented to all the attendies |
| 21:02.55 | prpplague | landley: they changed that this year |
| 21:02.57 | landley | Cool. |
| 21:03.06 | landley | What were the prize giveaways this year? |
| 21:06.00 | prpplague | landley: a bunch of sony multimedia products, plus tincantools gave away two flyswatter2 kits, a nano dso, three learn to solder kits, and two of the sparkfun watch kits |
| 21:06.27 | landley | So not the Oprah move of a Nexus One for each attendee, more door prizes. |
| 21:06.51 | prpplague | hehe no |
| 21:06.56 | prpplague | nothing too dramatic |
| 21:12.22 | calculu5 | I got myself a beacon board |
| 21:12.28 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:12.30 | calculus | and shirts |
| 21:12.34 | prpplague | calculus: got it working yet? |
| 21:12.35 | landley | How distinct was it from the android builder's summit and whatever the other piece of bread it was sandwiched between was. |
| 21:12.59 | calculus | prpplague: haven't tried yet, I was working on some slides for work |
| 21:13.17 | landley | prpplague: I mean, is CELF still an event or is it an adjunct to other events? |
| 21:13.20 | calculus | going to try it on the bone |
| 21:13.47 | prpplague | landley: ELC-E was at the same time as linuxcon-eu, and there was a lot of dilution of the event |
| 21:13.55 | calculus | are all the voltage levels right? can I just plug it in and go? |
| 21:14.08 | prpplague | landley: but the ELC this time was done back to back with other stuff like ABS which made it much better |
| 21:14.16 | prpplague | calculus: for beagle and panda, yes |
| 21:14.52 | landley | has been to events which were glued to other events, and only bought tickets for one of 'em before. |
| 21:15.02 | landley | It was never fun for me, but obviously your mileage does vary. |
| 21:15.18 | prpplague | indeed |
| 21:15.22 | prpplague | i don't like that either |
| 21:15.29 | prpplague | that was one of my complaints to Tim |
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