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| 12:27.42 | peterNovice | Would anyone know why a serial terminal program works straight away on fedora and debian but not on gentoo. The stty -a -F /dev/ttyUSB0 is identical in both distros. On gentoo it only works if I use a third program like minicom to reset the connection or if I wait a very long time(but I use ICANON). |
| 12:28.12 | slashbeast | you can use screen |
| 12:31.36 | peterNovice | slashbeast: i am trying to communicate with an arduino |
| 13:18.22 | av500 | still you could use screen |
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| 14:19.54 | peterNovice | av500: thanks, but I would like to resolve why the serial connection hangs on gentoo or to find out what magic a "reset" does that is not available from tcsetattr. |
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| 15:31.41 | landley | And so it has come to this. |
| 15:33.47 | av500 | +1 |
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| 15:41.48 | Mirell | landley: ? |
| 15:41.58 | landley | Mirell: today's xkcd. |
| 15:42.19 | Mirell | Heh |
| 15:42.25 | landley | I.E. I'm running low on cat food. |
| 15:42.34 | Mirell | So am I, actually |
| 15:42.42 | Mirell | Need to run to the store today. |
| 15:43.05 | landley | It's more or less a perpetual state, although dragon got out again over the weekend so it's just 3 cats at the moment. |
| 15:43.06 | Mirell | Matisse so lovingly reminded me with MEOW MEOW MEOW MEOW MEOW |
| 15:43.23 | landley | (No idea where she is, bit worried about her, but she's done this like 15 times already so...) |
| 15:43.53 | landley | Mirell: doesn't she do that anyway? (She's still deaf?) |
| 15:44.07 | landley | War, famine, pestilence, and matisse. |
| 15:44.36 | Mirell | Still deaf. |
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| 16:18.19 | T0mW | anyone here use suse on their notebook? |
| 16:19.17 | T0mW | I'm really not impressed with what I'm finding on the openSuSE 12.1, it lacks a lot of polish. I installed this on my boss's notebook and he is looking at me weird as he is used to windows 7. |
| 16:20.27 | T0mW | I'm looking at this suse weird too as there is tools missing that I was used to on Mandriva, such as a nice user-level wifi network tool that let you (user) connect to hubs. Suse requires you to use yast as root! |
| 16:20.34 | T0mW | anyone have a comment? |
| 16:20.44 | av500 | uses 11.4 |
| 16:20.54 | T0mW | av500: ok |
| 16:21.02 | av500 | there is knetworkmanager, no? |
| 16:21.09 | av500 | what are you doing in sayt? |
| 16:21.11 | av500 | yast? |
| 16:21.17 | T0mW | no, just this stupid gnome desktop. |
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| 16:21.29 | av500 | ah, no idea |
| 16:21.33 | av500 | suse is kde :) |
| 16:21.41 | T0mW | I don't recall seeing kde as an install option on 12.1 |
| 16:21.50 | T0mW | maybe I missed it? |
| 16:22.11 | T0mW | goggles that |
| 16:23.44 | av500 | I am sure that suse has KDE |
| 16:24.10 | T0mW | av500: ok, time to reformat the drive then, thanks. |
| 16:24.46 | sunrunner20 | i just had to do that on my windows 7 install.... One bad sector made the whole system unstable over a few months |
| 16:27.23 | T0mW | av500: that gnome 3 (if that is what it is) is pretty crude, nice lipstick though... |
| 16:28.14 | av500 | no idea about gnome |
| 16:28.55 | T0mW | av500: don't, heh |
| 16:30.48 | T0mW | sunrunner20: *any* bad sector on an IDE / SCSI drive will cause me to trash the drive and get another! |
| 16:34.03 | sunrunner20 | T0mW: same here. However I have neither the cash nor the will to spend $150 for a drive atm. Also, it was ONE sector and repeated checks haven't shown additional problems |
| 16:35.08 | sunrunner20 | Once the market settles I'll get a drive and reinstall windows again if nessicary. In the mean while I've settled for storing everything important on my external drive |
| 16:40.14 | sunrunner20 | If I can find a job I'll replace the drive with a nice SSD |
| 16:41.31 | landley | Could somebody send me a subscribe link to the lwn thing on /usr unification? |
| 16:41.39 | landley | I'm curious... |
| 16:41.44 | landley | needs to renew his subscription... |
| 16:42.39 | landley | T0mW: I'm still on xubuntu 10.04. Awaiting the next LTS. |
| 16:43.18 | landley | SuSE used to sponsor KDE. Their CEO was the head of the KDE project at one time, I think. (Or was it CTO?) |
| 16:43.34 | landley | Then they went bankrupt, got sold to Novell, and the corpose was bought by some private equity firm or something. No idea what they're up to these days. |
| 16:43.55 | landley | (Dirk Holndell, that's the name of the guy I was trying to think of. he might work at Intel now, I'd have to check...) |
| 16:49.00 | av500 | Dirk Hondel |
| 16:51.15 | T0mW | gnome: bye bye |
| 17:03.51 | av500 | landley: stupid question, besides all the "tools", doesnt toybox also need a shell? |
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| 17:15.01 | peterNovice | Does anyone know if there are any special tricks for using a serial terminal in gentoo versus fedora and debian. In all instances where I have tried I have had to use "some kind of reset" with a third program whereas in debian and fedora this is not necessary. |
| 17:44.50 | Mirell | av500: Yes, it does |
| 17:50.57 | prpplague | hmm, any good linux/OSS conferences during the summer months? |
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| 18:19.42 | landley | av500: I'm writing a shell for it. |
| 18:20.00 | landley | It's got the start of one (toysh) now, it just needs a lot of work. It's on my todo list... |
| 18:20.21 | landley | prpplague: if you find out, let me know please. |
| 18:21.13 | landley | And could somebody please send me a subscriber link to the latest lwn.net bit about the /usr merge? I'm curious if that ancient busybox post of mine got referenced again. :) |
| 18:23.34 | lfelipe | landley: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/483921/071e2ee380faba9e/ |
| 18:23.46 | landley | lfelipe: thanks |
| 18:24.18 | wmat | prpplague: there's usually a linuxcon in august |
| 18:24.43 | wmat | landley: why don't you subscribe? |
| 18:24.54 | lfelipe | prpplague: linuxcon in Brazil is usually on our summer :) |
| 18:24.57 | landley | wmat: I did, it just ran out. I need to renew... |
| 18:25.02 | wmat | ah |
| 18:25.07 | landley | Can't do it from work, only think of it from work... |
| 18:25.35 | lfelipe | you can't renew it from work? |
| 18:27.25 | landley | lfelipe: there is no _way_ I'm doing any sort of ecommerce thing from a windows machine. |
| 18:27.39 | landley | Even an ubuntu vm is still going through the windows keylogger and viruses du jour. |
| 18:28.26 | landley | My netboook isn't connected to the corporate intranet, and sprint "upgraded" away my ability to tether my phone to my netbook until I get around to wiping the thing with cyanogenmod. (It's on the todo list...) |
| 18:28.51 | landley | Heh. http://rusty.ozlabs.org/?p=236 is salient. :) |
| 18:30.26 | landley | "On a somewhat related note, I'd like to retire the term 'bikeshedding'." "Why?" "Because it's the wrong color." |
| 18:31.45 | calculus | I like the way gobo linux has done their executable placement |
| 18:41.32 | landley | The break room has krispy kreme donuts and a live webcast of ted 2012. Why am I still in my cube? |
| 18:43.03 | prpplague | wmat: yea, i was kind of looking for something in june/july |
| 18:43.53 | prpplague | wmat: that is when the boss lady is out of town |
| 19:28.25 | landley | should not eat jelly donuts anymore. |
| 19:28.28 | landley | is no longer 14. |
| 19:28.49 | landley | should definitely not eat _multiple_ jelly donuts in one sitting. |
| 19:29.23 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 19:30.17 | sunrunner20 | I need to start a serious exercise regime |
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| 19:56.25 | SpeedEvil | sunrunner20: No! |
| 19:56.44 | sunrunner20 | ? |
| 19:57.05 | SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wippooDL6WE |
| 19:57.16 | SpeedEvil | An Unserious exercise regime! |
| 19:57.44 | sunrunner20 | I guess I could just sillywalk around the neighborhood :P |
| 19:58.15 | sunrunner20 | I have a feeling I'd get a job easier if I was a normal weight |
| 19:58.41 | SpeedEvil | I recently lost ~30Kg. |
| 19:58.47 | SpeedEvil | Calorie counting. It works. |
| 19:59.14 | SpeedEvil | And portion control. Weigh _everything_ you eat. |
| 19:59.30 | SpeedEvil | http://www.livestrong.com/myplate/ - I found useful. |
| 20:01.02 | sunrunner20 | What I need atm is a meal planner. Ive lost 20 pounds just being a little more aware of what I eat. But, I have 100+ that I need gone |
| 20:01.10 | alex4nder | SpeedEvil: 30k is pretty epoic. |
| 20:01.11 | alex4nder | -o |
| 20:01.26 | alex4nder | I just cut carbs out of my diet. |
| 20:01.38 | SpeedEvil | I diddn't. |
| 20:01.42 | SpeedEvil | Basically portion control. |
| 20:01.57 | SpeedEvil | When I was losing 1kg/week - 10% of my calories was from chocolate. |
| 20:02.28 | SpeedEvil | However, keep protein fairly high - to avoid losing muscle mass when you diet. |
| 20:03.19 | SpeedEvil | I really want a nice CO2 sensor - to measure actual metabolism. |
| 20:03.28 | SpeedEvil | Unfortunately, that's annoyingly hard. |
| 20:10.53 | alex4nder | SpeedEvil: I'm going keto for the next two weeks, to see how that turns out. |
| 20:11.43 | SpeedEvil | I'd personally recommend simply working out what you're actually eating over a week or so - and then aim at knocking about a half off. |
| 20:12.02 | SpeedEvil | Rather than doing truly radical stuff. |
| 20:12.22 | SpeedEvil | A bit less than a half if you're active, or stable in weight. |
| 20:12.50 | SpeedEvil | You do not want to lose weight on a diet you can't keep to forever IMO. |
| 20:13.36 | alex4nder | agreed. |
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| 20:57.46 | slashbeast | Is it normal that busybox's ash ignore umask and mkdir create 777 files? |
| 20:58.32 | wmat | prpplague: come to Waterloo and we'll have a beerfest ;) |
| 20:59.44 | slashbeast | or thaty may be the 64bit busybox illnes |
| 20:59.51 | slashbeast | as the 32bit busybox does not du it. |
| 21:00.11 | wmat | reads sb |
| 21:00.26 | wmat | paleo == lose weight |
| 21:00.30 | slashbeast | where I should report bugs about busybox? |
| 21:00.52 | wmat | i adhere to the 80/20 rule with paleo, but the 20 is all beer ;) |
| 21:00.55 | prpplague | wmat: hehe |
| 21:01.13 | wmat | prpplague: paleo is great, all the bacon and steak you can eat |
| 21:01.34 | slashbeast | 64bit busybox always mkdir 1777 dirs |
| 21:01.40 | slashbeast | both glibc and uclibc linked |
| 21:02.02 | slashbeast | $ mkdir asd1; ls -ld asd1; umask |
| 21:02.02 | slashbeast | drwsrwsrwt 2 piotr users 4096 Feb 28 22:00 asd1 |
| 21:02.02 | slashbeast | 0077 |
| 21:02.36 | wmat | slashbeast: https://bugs.busybox.net/ |
| 21:07.06 | slashbeast | wmat: thank you |
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