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| 03:17.32 | wmat | bummer, linuxdevices seems to be no more |
| 03:25.47 | calculus | prpplague posted the blog for one of the main editors |
| 03:26.01 | calculus | he ended up getting laid off |
| 03:27.51 | calculus | wmat: https://plus.google.com/101339419642360856354/posts/6KE4oKXjyJ1 |
| 03:34.04 | wmat | calculus: thx |
| 03:40.54 | calculus | wmat: I didn't see you at ELC last month, did you go? |
| 03:53.34 | wmat | calculus: no, i had family obligations. I really missed going. |
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| 11:56.15 | landley | Morningitude. |
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| 12:16.48 | landley | waves at c1de0x |
| 12:17.40 | c1de0x | ohai |
| 12:18.05 | c1de0x | busy writing the beginnings of an article... |
| 12:19.50 | landley | No problem, busy doing toybox release work here... |
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| 13:26.42 | landley | Wandered through Fry's yesterday, the new crop of SSDs is out. |
| 13:26.51 | landley | 512 gigs: $750 or so. |
| 13:27.00 | landley | I could fit one in my $250 netbook. |
| 13:27.07 | landley | I'm seriously tempted... |
| 13:27.12 | landley | Not this paycheck, though... |
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| 13:44.46 | Mirell | landley: Just get the 11" MacBook Air |
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| 14:23.48 | landley | Mirell: how is it? |
| 14:24.21 | Mirell | landley: Sexy as hell? |
| 14:25.33 | bgamari_ | Why does /quit |
| 14:26.09 | Mirell | landley: And I said get, not got |
| 14:26.21 | landley | Ah. |
| 14:26.28 | Mirell | landley: Rather than upgrading your netbook |
| 14:26.48 | Mirell | I already have my lovely work laptop with a 256GB SSD |
| 14:26.49 | landley | More than 2 gigs ram would be really really nice. Chrome's a pig. |
| 14:27.00 | landley | 512GB SSD is out. |
| 14:27.45 | Mirell | landley: True |
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| 14:37.37 | landley | Off to work... |
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| 17:04.14 | slashbeast | landley: Yo, got a minute? |
| 17:04.27 | prpplague | slashbeast: he only has 58 seconds |
| 17:04.34 | slashbeast | QUICK! |
| 17:04.40 | slashbeast | landley: there is a security flow in busybox on 64bit arch. |
| 17:04.45 | slashbeast | landley: bb ignores umask. |
| 17:04.49 | slashbeast | https://bugs.busybox.net/show_bug.cgi?id=4814 |
| 17:04.53 | landley | slashbeast: fun. |
| 17:05.36 | landley | slashbeast: well that's fresh breakage. Didn't do that in 2006. :) |
| 17:05.46 | landley | And I'm pretty sure toybox doesn't do that either... |
| 17:05.53 | landley | I wonder why only on 64 bit? |
| 17:06.26 | landley | (And it's not "ignores" umask. You've got to go out of your way to _set_ umask to 0.) |
| 17:06.34 | slashbeast | no idea, I found it because dropearssh worked in my initramfs on32bit but not on 64 |
| 17:06.46 | slashbeast | after testing I saw that it refuse to work because world writable /root/.ssh. |
| 17:07.14 | landley | I mkdir with -m. |
| 17:07.31 | slashbeast | thats my commited workaround |
| 17:09.43 | landley | Right, so this is _not_ the same busybox security bug as http://lwn.net/Articles/482781/ |
| 17:09.45 | landley | Good to know... |
| 17:10.19 | slashbeast | lol |
| 17:10.28 | slashbeast | dhclient had the same 'security issue' a year? ago |
| 17:10.50 | landley | shrugs. |
| 17:11.05 | landley | My last major involvement with the thing in terms of _auditing_ anything was 2006. |
| 17:11.16 | av500 | according to Linus, all security people should kill themselves anyway :) |
| 17:11.25 | landley | Then The Bruce convinced me that he could take unjustified credit for all my work on that project, and I stopped doing any. |
| 17:11.40 | landley | doesn't care much about ownership, but is big into attribution. |
| 17:11.54 | landley | av500: I doubt that's an exact quote. |
| 17:12.06 | slashbeast | I wish to switch to toybox as soon as possible |
| 17:12.21 | landley | I can see him getting pretty torqued at the guys who keep trying to push security frameworks into the kernel, though. |
| 17:12.30 | landley | Standard unix permissions were a good idea. |
| 17:12.33 | landley | Containers are a good idea. |
| 17:12.48 | av500 | landley: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/02/29/torvalds_tantrum_opensuse/ |
| 17:12.55 | landley | Capabilities, Selinux, apparmor, and all that other crud: not so much. |
| 17:13.00 | slashbeast | I think I can even use toybox in initramfs with 0.2.0 |
| 17:13.10 | slashbeast | but I will just need a busybox to be my 'ip' (iproute2) |
| 17:14.00 | landley | av500: ok, there was a largeish "if" clause in there rather than "all", and I think I agree with him (as usual). |
| 17:14.22 | av500 | landley: I am know for out of context quotes :) |
| 17:14.25 | av500 | known |
| 17:14.25 | landley | Requiring the root password to connect to a roaming wireless network is moronic. |
| 17:14.35 | av500 | as is installing a printer |
| 17:14.48 | landley | slashbeast: I'm working on a new release, should be out this weekend. |
| 17:14.55 | landley | Still hasn't tackled the network stuff, though. |
| 17:14.57 | slashbeast | landley: sweet, any new goodies? |
| 17:15.04 | landley | http://landley.net/toybox/roadmap.html is reasonably up to date. |
| 17:15.11 | slashbeast | I can live with it, but I wish to amke everything I can with toybox |
| 17:15.17 | slashbeast | busybox is kinda bloated |
| 17:15.18 | landley | Yay. :) |
| 17:15.25 | landley | (To the first statement, not the second.) |
| 17:15.38 | landley | It would have been nice if busybox hadn't gotten derailed. I still miss working on it. |
| 17:16.13 | landley | (Founding a colony in the new world is not necessarily an improvement over London, it's just the way forward...) |
| 17:16.18 | slashbeast | sometimes it is good to start it from scretch |
| 17:16.22 | slashbeast | and I like BSD license. |
| 17:16.41 | landley | I don't really like any license anymore, to be honest. |
| 17:16.51 | landley | I think copyright may have outlived its usefulness. |
| 17:17.02 | landley | 2-clause BSD is as close to public domain as is left in this country. *shrug* |
| 17:17.21 | landley | It's 2 paragraphs of "do not sue me" legal disclaimers. Sigh... |
| 17:17.26 | slashbeast | landley: in readme you suggest CFLAGS="--static" |
| 17:17.32 | slashbeast | you sure about double --? |
| 17:17.40 | landley | Both should work. |
| 17:18.04 | landley | In theory "--longopt" is for long options, and "-s -t -a -t -i -c" is what "-static" means. |
| 17:18.08 | SpeedEvil | Public domain in many countries doesn't exist. Saying you put the code into the public domain is a noop, and is completely invalid. |
| 17:18.12 | landley | But of course this is the FSF we're talking about, which is INSANE... |
| 17:18.19 | slashbeast | in theyory, but multiple projects use -longargs |
| 17:18.24 | slashbeast | like ffmpeg, mplayer and so on |
| 17:18.24 | SpeedEvil | And leaves you at the original point as if you'd not attached an arg |
| 17:18.26 | SpeedEvil | licence |
| 17:18.55 | landley | SpeedEvil: which is the fault of the good old USA which keeps twisting other countries' arms as a prerequisite of keeping "most favored nation" trading status, I.E. "not dumping punitive tariffs on you"... |
| 17:19.17 | slashbeast | /home/piotr/tmp/cc5g3xz0.o: In function `make_device': |
| 17:19.17 | slashbeast | mdev.c:(.text.make_device+0x3a1): warning: Using 'getgrnam' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking |
| 17:19.21 | slashbeast | you don't say. ;-) |
| 17:19.28 | slashbeast | guass I will build it with aboriginal. |
| 17:19.35 | landley | slashbeast: that's a glibc bug, not a toybox bug. :) |
| 17:19.47 | slashbeast | landley: I am well aware of that. |
| 17:20.03 | slashbeast | I am smiling because I don't have to use glibc. |
| 17:20.28 | SpeedEvil | openstreetmap is going through pain ATM. The existing licence - cc-by-sa - is basically a no-op in the USA - as facts can't be copyrighted. Which is unfortunate. |
| 17:20.34 | SpeedEvil | Licence changes are fun. |
| 17:21.20 | slashbeast | landley: do you have an mknod on your plan for next release? |
| 17:22.45 | slashbeast | landley: also toysh does not have --login, how can I make it read /etc/profile? |
| 17:23.33 | landley | SpeedEvil: if facts can't be copyrighted then no license is going to help. |
| 17:23.44 | slashbeast | my wish list: mknod, sh --login, eval |
| 17:23.45 | slashbeast | ;-) |
| 17:23.47 | landley | A license is a permission statement you grant to provide access to your copyrights. |
| 17:23.53 | landley | If you haven't got any copyrights, license is irrelevant. |
| 17:23.55 | landley | is confused... |
| 17:24.34 | slashbeast | landley: you don't have eval on TODO, forgotten or toysh will not support it? |
| 17:24.40 | landley | slashbeast: mknod is low hanging fruit. Eval I've got a stub of. sh is going to take a while... |
| 17:24.57 | landley | Um, missing due to a move between categories that didn't add it to the new one. My bad. |
| 17:25.25 | landley | It should be in the "just stubs so far" category. |
| 17:25.45 | slashbeast | hmm |
| 17:25.45 | landley | that one's in susv4, I think... |
| 17:25.51 | slashbeast | toysh have 'profile support' |
| 17:25.55 | SpeedEvil | Argh. Having one of these 'I knew the reasons behind this, researched it carefully, and then forgot all but the conclusion' things on the licence debate. Meh. |
| 17:26.07 | slashbeast | 'Read /etc/profile and ~/.profile when running interactively' Does it read for any interactive shell? |
| 17:26.31 | landley | Hang on, I'm thinking of "expr". |
| 17:26.37 | landley | what's "eval"? |
| 17:26.47 | landley | Oh, that's a shell builtin. |
| 17:26.49 | slashbeast | yeah |
| 17:26.53 | landley | Yeah, that list doesn't list shell builtins. |
| 17:26.58 | landley | You'll note no cd and such on there. |
| 17:27.12 | landley | I have a list of those, but they're not on the roadmap because the shell development proper hasn't started yet. |
| 17:27.20 | slashbeast | *** glibc detected *** toybox: double free or corruption (out): 0x0000000001a6d980 *** |
| 17:27.24 | slashbeast | all I did was 'cd' |
| 17:27.27 | landley | Ooh... |
| 17:27.35 | landley | Good to know. from current -hg? |
| 17:27.38 | landley | Or the 0.2.0 release? |
| 17:27.41 | slashbeast | 0.2.0 |
| 17:27.58 | landley | If you did "cd" then you did it in toysh, I take it? |
| 17:28.12 | landley | Or you did "./toybox cd"? |
| 17:28.18 | slashbeast | ./toybox sh -c 'cd' |
| 17:28.22 | landley | Ah. |
| 17:28.31 | landley | As I said, the shell is just a stub. |
| 17:28.34 | landley | It's not enabled in defconfig. |
| 17:28.49 | slashbeast | looking forward |
| 17:28.53 | landley | I did about a month's worth of work on it back in 2006, but that was mostly design work. |
| 17:29.15 | slashbeast | maybe I will drop busybox in favorite of toybox (whatever it support so far) and dash. |
| 17:29.20 | slashbeast | whats your opinions about dash? |
| 17:29.21 | landley | I coded up the smallest possible shell, and now I'm going "no, a static buffer size is insufficient" and I need to go back and redo lots of it. |
| 17:29.28 | landley | slashbeast: dash is there? |
| 17:29.38 | landley | I still hold a grudge against ubuntu for pointing /bin/sh at it, but that's not dash's fault. |
| 17:30.01 | landley | My opinion of dash is "I don't hate you because of anything _you_ did, it's just guilt by association"... |
| 17:30.09 | slashbeast | I need a working /bin/sh for initramfs, until toysh can catchup I think I will use dash for it. |
| 17:30.14 | landley | Ack, gotta do day job stuff for a bit, back later... |
| 17:30.15 | slashbeast | haha |
| 18:00.40 | prpplague | is having a brain cramp |
| 18:03.12 | prpplague | av500: ping |
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| 18:33.58 | alex4nder | yoh |
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| 19:20.54 | landley | prpplague: brain cramp? |
| 19:21.27 | prpplague | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=brain-cramp |
| 19:30.52 | landley | I know what a brain cramp _is_, I meant "details?" |
| 19:31.09 | prpplague | landley: hehe |
| 19:31.29 | prpplague | landley: was having trouble setting some platform data then realized that it had been set as __initdata |
| 19:31.42 | landley | Ah. that'd do it. |
| 19:32.07 | landley | needs to become independently wealty and retire to do open source full-time. |
| 19:32.17 | landley | From my island kingdom and so on and so forth... |
| 19:33.41 | landley | Heh. You know, I _could_ do a kickstarter for toybox... :) |
| 19:34.38 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:39.57 | alex4nder | laf |
| 19:41.56 | alex4nder | will this preempt_rt kernel boot... |
| 19:41.59 | alex4nder | rolls the dice. |
| 19:43.30 | prpplague | the dungeon master says you rolled a 2 and was eaten by a troll |
| 19:45.51 | calculus | I liked that episode of the IT crowd |
| 19:46.50 | alex4nder | landley: who is your toybox target audience? |
| 19:47.27 | landley | alex4nder: I'm trying to make android self-hosting. |
| 19:47.34 | alex4nder | ah |
| 19:48.02 | landley | Basically the history of computers goes "mainframe gave way to minicomputer, which gave way to microcomputer, which is giving way to smartphones". |
| 19:48.16 | alex4nder | that's really interesting. |
| 19:48.19 | alex4nder | tell me more. |
| 19:48.29 | landley | You didn't need the machine down the hall when you had one on your desk, and now you don't need the machine on your desk when you have one in your pocket. |
| 19:48.59 | landley | We now have computers we carry with us 24/7, which are about as powerful as a ~7 year old laptop. |
| 19:49.07 | landley | Now add this: |
| 19:49.30 | landley | http://us.toshiba.com/computers/accessories/dynadock/ |
| 19:49.41 | landley | (or other-branded equivalent, they just have a nice website). |
| 19:49.45 | landley | A USB docking station. |
| 19:50.07 | landley | Plug your phone into USB (which is how it charges already), and you get 2 big monitors, full sized keyboard, rat, speakers, extra storage, gigabit ethernet... |
| 19:50.32 | landley | The thing to realize is that the Vax OS didn't scale down to the PC, the PC operating system scaled _up_. |
| 19:50.48 | landley | (Bog standard disruptive tecnologies out of "the innovator's dillemma" circa 1997.) |
| 19:50.55 | alex4nder | you realize your current audience is #edev, right? |
| 19:51.00 | landley | Yup. |
| 19:51.07 | alex4nder | ok. |
| 19:51.11 | landley | Think about the ipad. |
| 19:51.22 | landley | People were trying to do "tablets" for 15 years, and they always flopped. |
| 19:51.39 | landley | Now they're succeeding, but not as a small PC. As a _big_phone_. |
| 19:51.52 | alex4nder | what? |
| 19:52.25 | landley | It's easy to scale the small simple thing up. It's hard to scale the big complicated thing down. |
| 19:52.28 | alex4nder | you think that's the reason they've succeeded? |
| 19:52.33 | landley | alex4nder: I mean the ipad runs the iPhone OS and apps. |
| 19:52.42 | landley | It doesn't run mac apps, it runs iphone apps. |
| 19:52.43 | alex4nder | yah, but it's not succeeding because it's a big phone. |
| 19:52.46 | landley | The android tablets run android. |
| 19:52.57 | landley | They run phone apps, not PC apps. |
| 19:52.58 | alex4nder | are the android tablets succeeding? |
| 19:53.10 | landley | more so than any PC os has in that form factor. |
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| 19:53.20 | alex4nder | right, but that's because they're copying Apple. |
| 19:53.28 | landley | Yeah they're in the ipad's shadow, but apple wouldn't be hysterically suing the android tablets if they didn't see a threat there. |
| 19:53.33 | alex4nder | and Apple is succeding because they sell sex-in-a-box for people with too much money. |
| 19:53.41 | landley | yes and no. |
| 19:54.16 | landley | You could say that desktops only ever happened because everybody was copying the Lisa and Mac, even though it was actually invented by Xerox Parc. |
| 19:54.49 | alex4nder | I'd only say that if I wanted to start a useless argument. |
| 19:54.52 | landley | Steve Jobs was really good at taking technology and running it through an industrial design filter to get 5-10 years of shakeout and polish on somebody else's basic technology. |
| 19:54.56 | alex4nder | oh jesus. |
| 19:55.11 | landley | That's really valuable, but it just means that things without him hit 5 years later. |
| 19:55.20 | HD_ | I have been struggling to get an mce vrc-1100 remote to work via edev for mythtv. Any pros know exactly how to get this working? Specifically, I need to get Play, Pause, and Stop to work. Some buttons do work, but not those. |
| 19:55.24 | landley | Steve Jobs was AWOL when web browser happened, we just worked it out iteratively. |
| 19:56.06 | landley | alex4nder: the point of all this is I'm trying to provide a posix command line for android devices, so you can build android software (and android itself) under android. |
| 19:56.21 | alex4nder | nice. |
| 19:56.22 | landley | At which point, it doesn't need the PC anymore. Grab a USB docking station and you can develop android software on your phone. |
| 19:56.39 | landley | I'm happy for toybox to scale up and displace busybox and the gnu/dammit command line tools too, but that's gravy. |
| 19:56.41 | alex4nder | we did that 10 years ago with Debian on our iPAQs. |
| 19:56.50 | alex4nder | it sucks. |
| 19:57.03 | alex4nder | it's starting to suck slightly less. |
| 19:57.18 | landley | http://www.fool.com/portfolios/rulemaker/1999/rulemaker991119.htm |
| 19:58.02 | landley | alex4nder: you could say that the Altair (first microcomputer) sucked. Which it did. |
| 19:58.07 | landley | The 1981 IBM PC sucked too. |
| 19:58.37 | landley | Didn't stop the mainframe and minicomputer from being gutted. |
| 19:58.56 | landley | Each time the new generation comes along the old iron gets kicked up into the server space. |
| 19:59.00 | alex4nder | what got gutted was the mainframe and minicomputer culture. |
| 19:59.15 | alex4nder | the phone and PC/laptop netbook culture aren't that different. |
| 19:59.29 | landley | People used to take card decks to the mainframe and wait around for the printout. Then the department minicomptuer came along and you waited in line for a terminal instead. |
| 19:59.47 | alex4nder | yah, that's a cultural issue. |
| 19:59.47 | landley | The mainframe still did payroll, just remotely. Then the PC came along and minicomputers became "file and print servers". |
| 19:59.55 | alex4nder | generated from ancient technical problems. |
| 20:00.04 | landley | Now the PC is getting kicked up into the server space and they're calling it "the cloud" and acting like it's a big thing. |
| 20:00.24 | landley | This is round 4. There's some pretty distinct patterns this time through. :) |
| 20:01.02 | landley | patterns which have emerged by now, I mean. |
| 20:02.06 | landley | Most users of iphones passively consume software, but that's because most users of macs passively consume software. |
| 20:02.22 | alex4nder | nope. |
| 20:02.24 | landley | (They may make music or text or stuff, but Apple doesn't play well with others.) |
| 20:02.58 | alex4nder | and .. preempt_rt crashes and burns. |
| 20:03.17 | landley | The early 8-bit micros all came with BASIC preinstalled. |
| 20:03.27 | landley | The OS was a programming language, even more so than unix scripting. |
| 20:03.34 | alex4nder | talk to me about forth. |
| 20:03.39 | alex4nder | I'd love to hear your thoughts on that. |
| 20:03.45 | landley | shrugs. Never really used it. |
| 20:03.50 | alex4nder | oh, so you don't know everything. |
| 20:03.56 | alex4nder | I thought I'd found the one. |
| 20:04.02 | landley | I'm told it's small and fast, and bends your brain a bit like lithp. |
| 20:04.18 | landley | I've bumped into it in... |
| 20:04.27 | landley | darn it, that proprietary bootloader with open in the name. |
| 20:04.29 | landley | Not openembedded. |
| 20:04.33 | landley | The thing device trees came from. |
| 20:04.36 | alex4nder | openfirmware |
| 20:04.38 | landley | openfirmware? |
| 20:04.40 | landley | That. |
| 20:04.54 | landley | I've bumped into it a few times, but I could just never bring myself to _care_. |
| 20:05.18 | landley | Because any programming language that utterly fails to scale its development community beyond a tiny niche even after 30 years is fundamentally flawed. |
| 20:05.32 | alex4nder | it didn't.. you just don't realize where it went. |
| 20:05.40 | landley | Lithp has far more users than forth, and it's generally the poster child for "most people will never be able to modify programs written in this". |
| 20:05.52 | landley | I know it exists. |
| 20:05.55 | landley | I know it has its niches. |
| 20:06.30 | landley | I also know that if you go to Scale and OLS and stuff and gather together all the people who have actually written any forth in the past year, you'll be able to get a table at Denny's without a wait. |
| 20:07.00 | landley | This seems indicative of a problem with the language. |
| 20:07.18 | alex4nder | landley: every major processor manufacturer has licensed the entire forth-related patent portfolio. |
| 20:07.26 | landley | so what? |
| 20:07.27 | alex4nder | you ever heard of the MMP? |
| 20:07.30 | alex4nder | ok |
| 20:07.32 | landley | have you seen the patent system recently? |
| 20:07.42 | alex4nder | these are actual material patents though. |
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| 20:07.46 | alex4nder | not bullshit. |
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| 20:08.09 | alex4nder | landley: ok, let's change topics |
| 20:08.15 | alex4nder | talk to me about ham radio, and/or star trek |
| 20:08.19 | landley | Google brings up magellan midstream partners, multi-man publishing Inc, and Matrix metalloprotienase as the first threehits. |
| 20:08.25 | landley | so google hasn't heard of it either, apparently. |
| 20:08.32 | landley | Eh, don't get me started on star trek. |
| 20:08.37 | alex4nder | stargate? |
| 20:09.00 | landley | (No, I mean I watched next generation and wrote down the stardate of each episode once back when I was like 17 and trying to do a spec script for them.0 |
| 20:09.15 | landley | Mirell's been trying to get me to watch all of stargate for years. I need to borrow his boxed set. |
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| 20:09.27 | landley | (Haven't got anything against it, I just know what a huge time sink it'll be.) |
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| 20:09.41 | landley | got addicted to babylon 5 first run, but has less free time now... |
| 20:10.06 | landley | I don't really do ham radio. I know people who do, but I'm ten years too young to really have gotten into it. |
| 20:10.10 | landley | (I had a modem.) |
| 20:10.31 | landley | Wifi's great and we should have more unregulated spectrum. |
| 20:10.33 | landley | Where's... |
| 20:11.19 | landley | alex4nder: here it is. Brilliant thing: http://www.newamerica.net/publications/policy/the_cartoon_guide_to_federal_spectrum_policy |
| 20:14.08 | alex4nder | I need a burrito |
| 20:14.15 | landley | Can't help you there. |
| 20:16.49 | alex4nder | data abort |
| 20:16.50 | alex4nder | pc : [<a0008114>] lr : [<a0008028>] |
| 20:16.52 | alex4nder | suck. |
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| 21:07.09 | landley | alex4nder: context? |
| 21:08.03 | alex4nder | busted linux boot under u-boot on a pxa270 |
| 21:15.18 | g1powermac | holy crap, tornadoes are everywhere |
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| 21:46.10 | landley | Huh, apparently we don't have to worry about overfishing. Ocean acidification's going to wipe them all out anyway: http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2012/03/ocean-acidification-could-become-worst-in-at-least-300-million-years.ars |
| 21:54.17 | g1powermac | hmm, four confirmed dead |
| 21:59.02 | g1powermac | crap, tornado sirens are blaring |
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| 22:34.40 | landley | g1powermac: so did you get hit by a tornado? |
| 22:39.38 | g1powermac | luckily it just passed to the north |
| 22:39.51 | g1powermac | looks like a town out in indiana was flattened |
| 22:42.30 | MonMotha | g1powermac: more than one |
| 22:42.52 | MonMotha | though only one of size sufficient that anybody had heard of it before today, but still |
| 22:43.04 | g1powermac | yea |
| 22:43.08 | g1powermac | euh |
| 22:43.18 | g1powermac | massive tornado in an eastern ky county |
| 22:43.39 | g1powermac | best hook echo on the radar I've seen since last year's super outbreak |
| 22:47.23 | g1powermac | holy, we had a funnel cloud go right over us |
| 22:47.30 | g1powermac | just saw a great pic of it |
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