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| 14:47.07 | landley | "Morning has broken, call the repairman, he'd better fix it, 'fore the day breaks..." |
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| 15:43.51 | Mirell | Hmm. |
| 15:51.06 | prpplague | Mhh |
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| 16:06.14 | Mirell | Indeed. |
| 16:10.18 | landley | Mirell: how's SFO? |
| 16:10.37 | Mirell | Hilly! |
| 16:10.51 | Mirell | Currently in an Erlang course. |
| 16:11.01 | landley | I think the last time I was in san francisco I was actually in Oakland. |
| 16:11.04 | landley | Yay training. |
| 16:11.14 | landley | likes receiving training. |
| 16:11.30 | landley | Tends to wind up _giving_ it more these days, which is less fun. |
| 16:16.05 | Mirell | Thought you liked giving training. |
| 16:16.28 | landley | I do like giving training. |
| 16:16.33 | landley | I just like learning stuff more. |
| 16:17.41 | landley | slashbeast: your patch failure scrolled off the chat history, could you email it to me? |
| 16:25.18 | Mirell | landley: Having to get used to using recursion again. |
| 16:25.25 | Mirell | landley: Erlang has no loop constructs. |
| 16:31.35 | landley | Pull up Castrovalva on neflix? |
| 16:31.44 | Mirell | What? |
| 16:34.32 | slashbeast | landley: sent |
| 16:39.23 | landley | slashbeast: yay. |
| 16:39.50 | landley | Mirell: doctor who episode. First episode with 5th doctor, second in a row where "hey, we found some computer terminology, let's use it inappropriately in a science fiction context!" |
| 16:40.28 | landley | In castrovalva it was "recursion". (And block transfer computations but we don't speak about that.) |
| 16:40.46 | landley | In logopolis it was bubble memory and such. |
| 16:41.00 | landley | These were Important Plot Points. |
| 16:41.16 | landley | (And in logopolis they had to debug a hexadecimal printout.) |
| 16:41.29 | landley | Keep in mind: alien planet using 1970's computer technology. In space. Really! |
| 16:41.39 | landley | Ah, the wobbly sets and rubber monsters days... |
| 16:43.25 | Mirell | Heh. |
| 16:44.14 | landley | Hey, it was my first introduction to recursion at age 10... |
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| 19:23.02 | MonMotha | landley: well, to be fair, recursion can be difficult to understand. After all, to understand recursion, you have to first understand recursion, and that's a bit difficult to understand. After all, to understand recursion, you have to... |
| 19:25.28 | landley | recursion (noun): see recursion. |
| 19:25.35 | landley | That was the button I had, anyway. :) |
| 19:28.44 | MonMotha | yup |
| 19:28.47 | MonMotha | bbiab |
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| 19:35.44 | landley | Mirell: if I want to get somebody into programming, after teaching 'em C what's the current best high level language to jump to? |
| 19:35.56 | landley | I used to say Python but ever since that fragmented I"ve lost my taste for it. |
| 19:36.15 | landley | (Python 3000 is not the same language as python 2.6, which was not the same language as python 2.3 or so...) |
| 19:36.29 | landley | Perl is icky. |
| 19:36.47 | landley | Lua turns out to be incomplete. (Gimme a darn posix library already... Grrr.) |
| 19:36.58 | landley | What does that leave... Ruby? |
| 19:37.21 | landley | Java is brittle. |
| 19:37.49 | landley | (Static typing in an otherwise dynamic language. Sigh.) |
| 19:38.04 | landley | Javascript could be useful, I suppose... Certainly plenty of real-world application. |
| 19:38.20 | landley | But it runs in a domain sandbox. Can you use javascript from the command line to write an arbitrary application? |
| 19:38.36 | ohsix | yes |
| 19:38.57 | ohsix | there's an interpreter for running tests anyways, you'd need bindings to do anything useful :] |
| 19:39.14 | landley | Needing bindings to do anything useful is the "why not lua" problem in a nutshell. |
| 19:39.31 | landley | Java runs in a specific domain. PHP runs in a specific domain. Emacs lithp runs in a specific domain. |
| 19:39.44 | landley | I meant javascript there. |
| 19:40.20 | landley | (Although it was originally true for java as well, but that domain atrophied into irrelevance and the Y2K cobol rewrites were all done in Language Du Jour which was Java, so now it's modern cobol.) |
| 19:40.32 | landley | ANd google's inexplicable language of choice for smartphones... |
| 19:40.50 | ohsix | the only 2 games i play all the time on my laptop are java D: |
| 19:41.18 | landley | But I want to go to a full scripting language with duck typing no compilation, and then work _back_ to the horrible hybrid compromises like Java and C++ (shudder). |
| 19:41.25 | ohsix | xulrunner is a nice toolbox for javascript, but not many people use it by itself |
| 19:41.37 | landley | minecraft and dungeons of dredmoor? |
| 19:42.16 | ohsix | minecraft and run, escape |
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| 22:12.03 | calculus | Mirell: do you want to plan something for tomorrow (Wed) night? |
| 22:12.21 | calculus | I guess the plan would be more for me to get to SF as you are already there |
| 22:41.32 | Mirell | landley: Ruby. |
| 22:44.51 | landley | Mirell: is there a good Ruby intro? |
| 22:45.00 | landley | s/good/obvious/ |
| 22:45.06 | landley | purl: quit it. |
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